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devilish said:
Sentimentality shouldn't even be an issue here. This guy had never done anything for us to deserve our sentimentality.

I agree with the rest of the post and I've been saying that since most of my time in here. I still believe that our decline is mostly due to our inability to let go to players who were clearly not good anymore and replace them with players this top club deserves. We claim to be the biggest club in the world. We're finally starting to act like one again.
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A lot of fans seem to really struggle to let go. Some people are clinging to what Bastian was years ago. I'll admit,he was one of the best around then.

But that was then. We should be looking to the future not pandering to legends of the past.

I really hope this gets sorted soon and he leaves. It was a mistake to give such a massive contract and it's one to learn from in future.
 
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
 
Balu said:
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
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To be fair last time we played Schweinsteiger in a big game we got fecked 3-0 in 20 minutes by a fecking Arsenal so yeah, can't be that much worse.
 
Balu said:
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
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Oh the squatter hasn't gone yet.
 
Blackwidow said:
Am I glad I do not judge Vidal or Martinez for their performances in the first half of their first season at Bayern...

Apart from having been late for the preparation even a player like Schweinsteiger needs time to adapt to a new league, new team, new opponents - especially if the team is in disarray and the dressing room seems to be a nutcase like in your team.

The second part of the season he was injured - with a new injury he had not had before. That he got in a United match.
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That seems a bit apples and oranges to me. That benefit of the doubt might have been fairly afforded to him 2-3 years ago. But since then he hasn't been able to get back to anything like the level he was capable of. Also, neither of those players looked to be in decline physically, struggled to get on the pitch due to injuries and weren't guaranteed to be first choices at the clubs they left. All in a league which is overly focussed on physicality. Undoubtedly he's not as poor a player as he looked last season, for the reasons you mentioned, but nor is he the player he was four or five years ago.

As for the bolded part, that's the main reason he isn't a great player any more. That's just what he does now. It has been for several seasons. I get that German folks will see the best in him and, like most football supporters, would love to seem him back to his best, but there's a pretty simple reason but Pep and now Mourinho have been willing to sell him within a year or so.
 
Kostur said:
To be fair last time we played Schweinsteiger in a big game we got fecked 3-0 in 20 minutes by a fecking Arsenal so yeah, can't be that much worse.
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I'd say the 3-2 loss to Wolfsburg was a big game and he was utter shite in that and was subbed off around the 60 min mark. Which Van Gaal in his post-match made a point to say Schweinsteiger was shite in that game.
 
Akash said:
Bayern fans...gullible as feck:lol:

We're selling him cos he's shit. Been saying it for long time and fully expected Mourinho to get rid which he is. The idea we're selling him because we can't afford him does not even warrant discussion.
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You might've been reading the wrong thread because nothing you say in your post makes any sense. You also sound quite agitated for some reason.
 
Balu said:
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
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As a fan, would you glad if Bayern get him back on 200k/wk in 2 yrs contract? or would you think that Bayern have lost their mind and that is a stupid thing to do?
 
Piratesoup said:
You might've been reading the wrong thread because nothing you say in your post makes any sense. You also sound quite agitated for some reason.
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Not really. Some of you seem to think we're selling him because he's n too much wages. Nothing to do with him being crap or Mourinho wanting him gone.
 
Akash said:
Not really. Some of you seem to think we're selling him because he's n too much wages. Nothing to do with him being crap or Mourinho wanting him gone.
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Can you quote any people saying that you want to get rid of him because you "can't afford him"? I think you're confusing things. You want him gone because he's on a huge contract that's not justified by his performance level and I don't think any Bayern fans will disagree with that. So why the hostility?
 
RedorDead21 said:
Didn't he choose to leave Bayern whilst everyone was calling him to stay? Pep then comes out with that which at the time was a bit of a low blow. He gets injured for us and that has gone a long way to where he finds himself granted. But if Ibra was out for 4 months now and Rashford comes in and does the business all of a sudden he himself is being talked of as a age number and blah blah. I get your points but personally if fit the guy still has a lot to offer amongst the group of our current midfielders.
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During that summer Bayern signed 2 midfielders ie Vidal and Kimmich. That despite already having players like Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and co. It was evident that he was going to be a marginal player at that point. United stupidly barged in with a 15m fee for him (for a player who was in decline and had just 1 year of contract left) and a salary that Bayern wasn't ready to match. The deal proved great to both of them. So lets not portray that Bayern needed alot of persuasion to let him go or that Bastian did some sort of soul searching before signing with us. Both couldn't believe their luck that it worked out that way.

There again they can always prove me wrong and get him back on that salary. Surely he would prefer playing for Bayern then with United reserves
 
devilish said:
During that summer Bayern signed 2 midfielders ie Vidal and Kimmich. That despite already having players like Gotze, Thiago, Alonso and co. It was evident that he was going to be a marginal player at that point. United stupidly barged in with a 15m fee for him (for a player who was in decline and had just 1 year of contract left) and a salary that Bayern wasn't ready to match. The deal proved great to both of them. So lets not portray that Bayern needed alot of persuasion to let him go or that Bastian did some sort of soul searching before signing with us. Both couldn't believe their luck that it worked out that way.
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spot on
 
He's still one of our best central midfielders, arguably our best after Pogba (certainly in my view).

It's a shame as if Mourinho was intent on picking an overpaid player who's best years were behind him to make an example of I'd argue there's a prime candidate who's been plodding around putting mediocre performances in week after week for 4 years.
 
Balu said:
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
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What we deserve is Pogba and Fellaini and they'll run rampant on Bayern with Ibra ahead of them.
 
finneh said:
It's a shame as if Mourinho was intent on picking an overpaid player who's best years were behind him to make an example of I'd argue there's a prime candidate who's been plodding around putting mediocre performances in week after week for 4 years.
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Rooney apparently doesn't watch Tennis so I guess he's not a lazy, overpaid cnut.
 
Piratesoup said:
Rooney apparently doesn't watch Tennis so I guess he's not a lazy, overpaid cnut.
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You guys should abort this thread as you're making yourself look pretty silly for something that's absolutely not concerning your club.

Whereas I believe that you're pretty cool guys.
 
Piratesoup said:
Can you quote any people saying that you want to get rid of him because you "can't afford him"? I think you're confusing things. You want him gone because he's on a huge contract that's not justified by his performance level and I don't think any Bayern fans will disagree with that. So why the hostility?
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If we wanted to keep him we would have regardless of his wages. He's gone because Mourinho doesn't rate him and thinks we have better CM's in the team. What hostility? I'm quite happy we're getting rid of him! The only people not happy with this are the anti Mourinho brigade, Bayern fans and their staff.
 
Akash said:
If we wanted to keep him we would have regardless of his wages. He's gone because Mourinho doesn't rate him and thinks we have better CM's in the team. What hostility? I'm quite happy we're getting rid of him! The only people not happy with this are the anti Mourinho brigade, Bayern fans and their staff.
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I actually think it's the only sensible solution to get rid of him. He's not good enough anymore to start reliably and you have Pogba now. Of course you "would keep him" regardless of his wages IF he was still worth his wages in any way.
And no, even if you're a rich club you don't want a 32 year old injury prone guy sitting on the bench for 200$ so of course his contract is the main reason. If he was on 50k a week there'd have never been any of this reserve business. Football is about money, believe it or not, so no matter how rich a club is it won't want to flush 200k down the drain every month.

My point is that people are getting their knifes out for a player that was offered a ridiculous contract given his age and huge recent problems with staying healthy and in top form. You SHOULD point your knifes in the direction of the ones who gave him this huge contract in the first place. He's just doing what he's paid to do. It's not his fault that he's paid too much.
 
finneh said:
He's still one of our best central midfielders, arguably our best after Pogba (certainly in my view).

It's a shame as if Mourinho was intent on picking an overpaid player who's best years were behind him to make an example of I'd argue there's a prime candidate who's been plodding around putting mediocre performances in week after week for 4 years.
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I say we get rid of both!
 
2ndTouch said:
Because Terry and Cole agreed on a big wagecut one year after signing a new contract, sure.
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Terry and Cole agreed a wage cut when their career was on the line and they wanted to show that they weren't there for the money but because they wanted to keep playing football at the highest level and were ready for all sort of sacrifices to achieve that. Maybe Bastian should follow their example, unless, of course, playing football is not his top priority




And he was charged guilty of what exactly? Yeah, he most obviously knew stuff concerning the bribery around our home WC '06. But that's about all that can be said. Surely a big enough reason for a club to feed his biggest legend and one of the main reasons for us being where we are to the wolves.
That sounds *really* honorable.
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That's the kind of stuff that an honorary president of a classy team would do. I advice you to think about that before accusing other clubs of classless behaviour again. If a player is playing shit for us then its within our rights to throw him in the reserves irrespective of what he did at previous clubs.



Ever heard of that thing called "Player Performance Forum"? I suggest you go in there, and compare Bastians ratings with those of Fallaini, Herrera, and Carrick.
Come back and tell me what you have seen, and how this correlates with the decision to expel him unseen before the season has even started.
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You're quoting redcafe's player performance forum? Seriously? Currently Rooney's rating is around the 5.4 and that despite scoring a goal and having two assists in the past 3 games. Mkhitaryan's average rating is 6.1 and that despite being a reserve and had basically done feck all for us yet. The fans player performance ratings are more shifty then der Kaiser after being spotting rushing out from Blatter's office in the middle of the night while wiping his mouth.

Seriously mate fans are emotional and they post their results at the spur of the moment. Also Herrera fans tend not to like Fellaini and the Fellaini's fans tend to clash with the Herrera's fans. Its not unusual for me to criticize Fellaini only for a Fellaini supporter to start quoting Herrera's stats. Yes its that ridiculous.




His injury record was known beforehand. His *legs* however have not been put into question. As for being pretty shit, well -> Player Performance Forum.
Lighten the sales bill by any possible means is still the most likely rationale for what's happening mate.
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If his legs are not put in question they why Bayern do not consider signing him back? Surely someone like him would be a great addition to your club.
 
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Piratesoup said:
I actually think it's the only sensible solution to get rid of him. He's not good enough anymore to start reliably and you have Pogba now.
And no, even if you're a rich club you don't want a 32 year old injury prone guy sitting on the bench for 200$ so of course his contract is the main reason. If he was on 50k a week there'd have never been any of this reserve business. Football is about money, believe it or not, so no matter how rich a club is it won't want to flush 200k down the drain every month.

My point is that people are getting their knifes out for a player that was offered a ridiculous contract given his age and huge recent problems with staying healthy and in top form. You SHOULD point your knifes in the direction of the ones who gave him this huge contract in the first place. He's just doing what he's paid to do. It's not his fault that he's paid too much.
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Disagree again. If Mourinho wanted him we'd have kept him. Be it as a starter or sub. 200k or not. Woodward is not going to tell Mourinho he can't have Batian as a sub because he's on high wages.

I'm not sure why you think I have my knife out for Bastian. I don't care how much he earns. Makes very little difference to me. My only concern was that he was shite last season and I'm glad he's not going to be an integral part of the team this time round.

The only annoying thing about this "saga" is people sticking their noses into United's business.
 
Isotope said:
As a fan, would you glad if Bayern get him back on 200k/wk in 2 yrs contract? or would you think that Bayern have lost their mind and that is a stupid thing to do?
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Don't care all that much about the wages of the players. Managed the right way, I'd rather have Schweinsteiger back to play 50% of the games for 70 minutes than Herrera, Fellaini or Schneiderlin move to Bayern because neither of those three is good enough to be a starter for a top club.

That wasn't really the point of my post though.
 
K2K said:
I say we get rid of both!
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Fair point. Although again I look at our squad and don't see Bastian as inferior to any of Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera & Schneiderlin.

To me not giving Carrick the extension and giving Schweinsteiger another year would have been the common sense approach. If Mourinho felt his globetrotting was detrimental he should have made it clear that if this continued he'd be in the reserves quickly.

In truth though we have to trust the manager, although this is one of the few cases I disagree with the decision.
 
Piratesoup said:
Rooney apparently doesn't watch Tennis so I guess he's not a lazy, overpaid cnut.
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In fairness there is far worse said about Rooney in his thread.

Balu said:
Don't care all that much about the wages of the players. Managed the right way, I'd rather have Schweinsteiger back to play 50% of the games for 70 minutes than Herrera, Fellaini or Schneiderlin move to Bayern because neither of those three is good enough to be a starter for a top club.

That wasn't really the point of my post though.
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I don't nessicarily disagree with you on those mentioned, Fellaini has had a couple of good games as a simplistic destroyer and you can get away with it in the PL, but we'd need an upgrade when/if we get back into the CL. However I don't go along with this keeping of players that go into matches knowing they can no longer do 90 minutes, it means you have already used a sub up in the gameplan and thus don't have your full 3 options to react to how the game twists and turns and how the opposition switch up.
 
Balu said:
Don't care all that much about the wages of the players. Managed the right way, I'd rather have Schweinsteiger back to play 50% of the games for 70 minutes than Herrera, Fellaini or Schneiderlin move to Bayern because neither of those three is good enough to be a starter for a top club.

That wasn't really the point of my post though.
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Yeh, maybe you're right. Schweinsteiger had an awful last season and Euro, and is plagued with injuries. United also has to accommodate Rooney on our side. We also have a 35 y.o. striker who's not that mobile. All things considered, I don't think Schweinsteiger will be the right partner for Pogba in midfield duo.

Although Herrera, Fellaini or Schneiderlin might not be up to Bayern' standard, but those 3 would definitely the better ones for current United. Then we also have old Carrick in standby, which is more reliable, English, and important figure for the club. You can see why Jose doesn't have room for Schweinsteiger.
 
Some of the comment in here is pretty poor and more or less baseless. Well, it's based on what one (or more) of our players said to Martin Samuel. I also think his poor form last season has been greatly exaggerated. We looked a lot better when he was in the midfield, for the most part.

That said, I'd maintained from the beginning that if Mourinho wants to sell him then that is fine by me. It's his call and I trust him.
 
Balu said:
I get that most United fans don't mind Schweinsteiger gone, but ffs, the vile nonsense written in this thread is just sad. Many of you really deserve to see Fellaini and Herrera start for United in big games. It'll be awesome.
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The ironic from your sentence is that in these last 2 years Fellaini always stand out the most during big games.
 
I personally think we should keep him another season. He's an experienced head, there's no reason we shouldn't. And don't give me this taking up wages shite, we're Manchester United, we could afford 29 Schweinsteigers.

Besides, even if he doesn't play much he'd play a different role for that wage. A role on the training ground and guiding the youngsters.
 
LennonNL said:
I personally think we should keep him another season. He's an experienced head, there's no reason we shouldn't. And don't give me this taking up wages shite, we're Manchester United, we could afford 29 Schweinsteigers.

Besides, even if he doesn't play much he'd play a different role for that wage. A role on the training ground and guiding the youngsters.
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I don't know what do you mean by 29. But if it's about age, he's actually 32 years old! There is a reason why Pep picks Alonso for that role. There is also a reason why Jose picks Carrick for that role. They are older but they have better fitness. I don't think going to watch tennis will be a helpful to guide our youngster too, you don't see De Gea often leaves Manchester to watch his girlfriend's show.
 
He may not have been great last season, but he was the best non attacking CM we had last year. It's no coincidence that when he played, he had a calming effect and he anchored the midfield.

When he went off, things often went to shit immediately, and when he was injured (far too much) we were a shambles. He isn't the box to box football God that he was in his prime, but he was smart, sensible, strong on the ball, and we were better when he was playing than when he wasn't.

People shitting on him here, well, most people are dumb. So there is that.
 
Balu said:
Don't care all that much about the wages of the players. Managed the right way, I'd rather have Schweinsteiger back to play 50% of the games for 70 minutes than Herrera, Fellaini or Schneiderlin move to Bayern because neither of those three is good enough to be a starter for a top club.

That wasn't really the point of my post though.
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I'd rather Bayern took Schweinsteiger back too. Doesn't matter how good he might still be, those other three players you mention are at least reliable and will be able to play a whole season.
 
Nucks said:
He may not have been great last season, but he was the best non attacking CM we had last year. It's no coincidence that when he played, he had a calming effect and he anchored the midfield.

When he went off, things often went to shit immediately, and when he was injured (far too much) we were a shambles. He isn't the box to box football God that he was in his prime, but he was smart, sensible, strong on the ball, and we were better when he was playing than when he wasn't.

People shitting on him here, well, most people are dumb. So there is that.
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That's because LVG's game was all about the calming effect and Bastian was an expert in LVG's tactics. God know how many times I slept thoughout games like season. We were exciting as watching wet paint dry.

I think the biggest issue is his lack of commitment. His performances weren't great, he picks an injury were he spent a substantial amount of the time travelling around watching tennis then he suddenly recovers just before the EUROs and he plays much better with Germany than he ever done with us. Clubs tend to hate to be taken for a ride.
 
devilish said:
That's because LVG's game was all about the calming effect and Bastian was an expert in LVG's tactics. God know how many times I slept thoughout games like season. We were exciting as watching wet paint dry.

I think the biggest issue is his lack of commitment. His performances weren't great, he picks an injury were he spent a substantial amount of the time travelling around watching tennis then he suddenly recovers just before the EUROs and he plays much better with Germany than he ever done with us. Clubs tend to hate to be taken for a ride.
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How is it in the least bit surprising that he played better for Germany than he did for us?
 
Varun said:
How is it in the least bit surprising that he played better for Germany than he did for us?
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It isnt surprising. He cares about Germany and had showed that many times. Does he care about us? Based on his performance on the pitch there's nothing to suggest that and for a 200k a week player that's not good enough.
 
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devilish said:
It isnt surprising. He cares about Germany and had showed that many times. Does he care about us? Based on his performance on the pitch there's nothing to suggest that and for a 200k a week player that's not good enough.
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It's either he doesn't care enough about United of he is simply finished. Either way the decision to get rid is fully justified.
 
Nucks said:
He may not have been great last season, but he was the best non attacking CM we had last year. It's no coincidence that when he played, he had a calming effect and he anchored the midfield.

When he went off, things often went to shit immediately, and when he was injured (far too much) we were a shambles. He isn't the box to box football God that he was in his prime, but he was smart, sensible, strong on the ball, and we were better when he was playing than when he wasn't.

People shitting on him here, well, most people are dumb. So there is that.
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Pep and Jose are dumb? :lol:
Well these two world class manager are/were "shitting" on him.
 
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