When? When its already too late and we are out of the title race.
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When? When its already too late and we are out of the title race.
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Sounds like he's been treating Yaya and Nasri particularly badly. Pretty sure I'd heard he wouldn't allow Nasri to train with the rest of the first team squad. Either way, it really doesn't matter what methods the managers used to deliver the message since the message itself remains the same, 'you're not wanted and you should go elsewhere'. If they made things easy the players would never leave. That's another reason why I'd be shocked if Jose uses him if he stays. He doesn't want to give players the idea that you can refuse to leave when told to and because of this refusal get game time later on. That would just lead to more players doing likewise. Schweinsteiger might not have much to lose but younger players won't get international games if they aren't playing and laying down the law here could prevent future problems from arising.
An exaggeration to say the least. We didn't make those fixtures look easy last season.
Fellaini has done well in his last two games but goodness me!
I don't remember many standout games where I could identify Schweinsteiger as our best player. His most useful asset was in keeping possession which Mourinho really doesn't care about if it isn't leading to creativity further up the pitch. Blame van Gaal on that if you want but Schweinsteiger hasn't shown enough to suggest he could improve us, and it's all irrelevant because, even if he could, he won't get the chance to. Maybe you can remember some great performances from Bastian that I don't but, as I've said, he only looked useful for holding possession further back the pitch. Fellaini contributed more to the team in each of those individual games than Schweinsteiger did in any individual game last season as far as I'm concerned.
Herbal tea or a lie down then
Bourenmouth away and Southampton at home...just wait until we face City or Arsenal. Fellaini in the holding role would be a disaster
Bournemouth were very solid and Southampton could have nicked a goal at least. Fellani was pretty disciplined. Kept his elbows down. Broke up play and did what he was told to do basically.
We were dominanat sure. But we will domnate a lot of teams the way Mourinho is setting the team up.
Bastian really disapointed me last season. My reading was he disrespected United after giving his all to Bayern and perhaps felt he could do a job by give a lot less than 100%.
Lack of fitness is not an excuse.
The most important thing is the manager and his team have a lot more information thann us. Remember Jose is only interested in Manchester United.
Personally I wish Bastian all the best...in the MLS.
He actually told them they can't train with the first team unless they regain fitness/lose weight, either of those.
Yet he thrived last season against the biggest opposition under, as you called him, clueless manager.
What? Magath? 2005? Again, what the hell are you talking about? What is this nonsense?
Easiest games? This is absolute drivel.
Southampton had won 2 and drawn 1 of their last three games at Old Trafford.
The season before that Sir Alex admitted that we had been lucky to beat them at home.
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/21271246
Southampton have lost all of their good players. We were a top 6 team the last 2 years.
If we are really title contenders, then a home game against Southampton SHOULD be a walk in park.
Won't have to wait long until we play City. I bet one of if not the best manager in the world will be starting with Fellaini alongside Pogba in that game. No offence, but I trust his judgement a lot more than I do yours. Top managers make mistakes too, but more often than not they make the right choice. If you don't trust the manager, that's a problem, and that was the case for Moyes and LVG. Haven't seen much from Arsenal to suggest they're particularly intimidating. I'd trust any midfield with Pogba in it to at least hold it's own against any in the Premier League.
People spout that shame sh#t about Southampton every year. They've kept Tadic in their team who was their 2nd most productive player after Mane last season. They still have plenty of quality in that team. Their defence is comparable to a top 6 team. Ward Prowse has a lot of talent and could potentially have a great season this year. You act like they're certainties for relegation or something when I'd back them to easily get top 10.
Their attack is much weaker without Mane and Pelle though. They will miss Wanyama too. I think Bournemouth will be relegated this year and Southampton will be bottom half unless they recruit. Hull away will be trickier, not least because we don't know that much about them and they will be up for it.
In short I actually agree we have a kind start to the season.
In short I actually agree we have a kind start to the season.
Accurate.You lot are a joke, it's like you expect him to forfeit his salary because he's been dropped and told he's not part of first team plans...
What are you expecting him to say 'Sorry Man Utd fans that I'm still being paid even though I'm not playing, I feel extremely bad about this and will happily take a move to any club anywhere in the world that wants me for any amount of money just so United fans don't have to worry about one of the richest clubs in the world who've just blown £90m on my replacement paying me a wage anymore'.
It is just a matter of time before he's dropped. That time is years though.
Redmond looks like a very good signing. Pelle isn't that big of a loss imo. Long and Austin are more than capable of scoring goals and Long finished with very similar numbers last season. Not to mention Long's pace is very useful. They've lost some aerial ability. Apart from that, no big loss. Mane is a big loss but they still have enough to be comfortable in midtable imo. I like the look of Hojbjerg too (obviously not going to contribute goals but looks like he could help their midfield and lessen the impact of Wanyama leaving).
Agree, looks like a very decent player.
Southhampton had been selling their players each season.
For two consecutive seasons,they sold those players to us.
Yet that didn't deter them.
Nothing to make us think this game would be any easier . And it wasn't. It's just a silly way to have a pop at Fellaini who actually performed quite well against Chelsea(M.o.m in tgeir title winning season game at O.T,goal scorer against City). Yet you will brush this piece of evidence too.
Mane is much better than Redmond. Long has yet to prove he can score lots over a season. Austin seems to struggle to stay fit. They might sell Martina. Hojbjerg is promising but not proven. Koeman was a good manager. They have some work to do. Agree their defence is decent still.
Starting on the road in the PL is never kind, especially against a team that beat us last season in the same fixture. Southampton still have a good squad I feel and they didn't bend over for us, it was a tough game.
Tbf, you could make those claims whenever they sign new players but usually their new players deliver. Redmond has started very well in an entirely different role so I don't think you can really claim that yet. We'll see how he does. 10 Premier League goals wasn't a bad return from Long. Only one less than Pelle in 2 less appearances. I don't expect to see much difference in his goal output this season. Even if Austin does struggle to stay fit this season, he's only Long's backup so it's not a big deal. He's certainly a good option to have from the bench. Martina's pretty useless anyway imo. I certainly wouldn't classify him as one of their more important players. You could say 'they're not proven' about anyone. Early signs for Hojbjerg are promising and that's what you should be judging him on. It's not really fair to judge him off the assumption he won't perform well when so far he has suggested he'll do well for them. Koeman was a good manager, yes, but people were saying similar things when Ranieri replaced Nigel Pearson. A lot of people seem to rate Puel quite highly. I don't see them struggling. When you compare their squad to others in the league do you really think they'll be relegation candidates?
I have exact same opinion, sad thing is despite being one of the top 3/4 biggest clubs in the world, our fans seem to get over awed and over fawn to the point of oblivion, when we get a "big name". They dont act like , we are Man United, and we should and deserve the best players.
Schweinsteiger is not our legend, he is Bayerns legend, he gave nothing to our club, so It completely boggles me how they are so supportive of a guy on such massive wages, which frankly when your on that wage, its because your meant to deliver.
And as you said I seen more pics of him with his g/f when he was "injured" or unfit, than I`ve seen him on the pitch
We played many weak teams last season.
We even got beat by Bournemouth, Middlesborough and Norwich.
Bastian has never controlled a game, in a MUFC shirt.
What makes you think that a year later, he can control a game, which he never did last season?
He is a legend for Bayern and Germany. But for MUFC, he is just a sick note who could barely last 90 minutes and most of the time was injured or recovering from injury.
If Bayern are feeling so sorry for him, maybe they can take him back?
No one likes to pay money for players who are basically useless but United had done it in the past and some of them had huge salaries back in their day. I cant see them hesitating doing that with Bastian, although to be fair the other former players were once useful for us. Bastian was always a bit of a dead weight.
Regarding salary I doubt that we ever asked legends like Keane, Robson. Carrick and co to take a wage cut. If they did took a pay cut to remain a few years more at the club then that's admirable and show not only great humility from the player's part but also commitment for our cause. Players grow old, their efficiency decline, the club will be forced to add new players to do the work etc. Its only fair that the salary would reflect that
Come to think of it maybe Bastian should consider asking for a pay cut. Who knows maybe that sort of tangible commitment would convince the club to re-integrate him into the first team and give him another try. I doubt he will accept that though. I bet he's happy cashing those 200k a week in the most professional way possible
He did play for the EUROs which is more than he did for us during a crucial part of our season were we were fighting for top 4. You expect someone with his condition to maybe call a day on his international career before the Euros. After all he was nearly 32, he just moved to a new league were he's one of the most paid players in the league, he had a long history of struggling to remain in good condition and he was still struggling with injury. This guy also won the world cup so there was nothing for him to prove on that level either.Regrettably he decided against that and went on playing for Germany even though there where question marks on his fitness for years. That's a bit of a problem especially considering his age and the time needed for him to recover. If United are second choice for him despite paying him so much then why its so shocking that United sees him as second choice and only good to play in the reserves?
The club think its necessary for him to play in the reserves and since we're the ones paying his salary, he's happy with that (else he'll rescind his contract) and no one seem to want him then that's what going to happen. He can always ask his former club with that shifty 'honourable' chairman of yours to place a bid for him and have him back. They seem to do alot of talking. Now let them walk the walk.
Herrera or Fellaini aren't world beaters but they do actually run for the ball something Bastian had struggled to do with us. As said before this club is quite strange. They rather have an average player like Fellaini but who play for the shirt then someone who tends to walk on the pitch. Go figures
So you're saying that he prefers 'doing something new' in our reserves than being in your first team? That's put me into a precarious situation as I always argued with those who believe that United are the best club in the world and a head above all the rest irrespective on whether we're winning or not. There again you're a Bayern Munich fan posting in a Manchester United forum. T-o-p R-e-ds 2 Devilish 0
Well it was a difficult season for us but Bastian was among the worst and unlike most of the players who are young enough to bounce back, Bastian's is old and his legs are gone. Maybe we should ask Mou to do something classy Bayern style and show him his balls. He might get excited or something and start playing well again.
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I think as it stands they will finish bottom half and not trouble many of the top teams away from home. I don't see them seriously being threatened with relegation unless they sell more or hit an injury crisis. But to my eyes they look a lot weaker than last year and they never seem to want to spend much which will likely catch up with them eventually.
Re rating players, much better to do so with all history than just two games...
1 goal every 4 Premier League games isn't an elite record by any means but it's decent. If he were to play all 38 games this season that would result in roughly 10 goals again. Obviously he won't play all 38 games but his record last season was slightly better than a goal every 3 games so it's probably fair to expect a similar total. Also you do need to factor in how well the teams Long was in were playing at the time and how reliant on him they were. Also, if you allow non-Prem competitions you could include his 25-goal season in 2010/11 as a suggestion that he at least knows how to score goals even if the defending isn't of comparable quality.
Being the youngest player to ever play for Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga on paper is quite an incredible accomplishment and suggests that Hojbjerg has to at least possess a lot of talent. In terms of why he didn't make it there or stand out enough, this is often a very difficult task in a top team, and there are many examples of young players failing to make it at big clubs before finding success at another, e.g. Danny Drinkwater. Based on early signs I think it's fair to assume he'll at least be an adequate signing.
Redmond was heavily praised as a youngster, making his debut for Birmingham at the age of 16. He hasn't really struck me as a goal-scoring winger tbh in the same way Mane does. They used to play very different roles. Again, Mane was playing for a good Southampton side while Redmond was playing for a struggling Norwich side in recent years. Redmond's also 2 years younger. I do think Mane is a better player but if Redmond continues to score and do well in his new role he would be a good replacement even if he can't quite replicate what Mane did for them. As mentioned, they do still have Tadic, and it's him moreso than Redmond who'll be tasked with replacing the creativity of Mane. Tadic has been given a role where basically everything goes through him so Southampton's season will depend mainly on how he performs imo.
Ideally, it would be best to combine signs from early performances with their history rather than simply relying on a history who's circumstances can be different.
The state of some people on this forum...
@devilish Great posts.
Great posts @devilish. It's funny to see Bayern fans agitate for better treatment for their ex-players and plan retirement solutions as long as the said retirement is not at their own club.
Yep.
Bastian has ruled out moving to any other European club not because of his loyalty to Bayern or his newfound love for United. It is a decision based on perfect economic sense. Going to some other European club now and becoming a flop there would rule out a further move to MLS or China. If he stays at United for 6 months, he might get a good contract from an MLS club which would suit him perfectly. Till he gets his preferred move, he'll happily collect his pay check and get himself back to fitness. I don't blame either Jose or Bastian for their respective decisions. In the mean time, if Bastian manages to impress Jose in the next few months, he might even get included in the future games.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...anovic-play-tennis-work-fitness-cast-out.html
Seems to be more to this story than the Bastian side is letting on.
It appears he is not very popular with the playing staff, so calls for him to be brought back may not go down well.
For a club who spend 157m in the past summer despite not being in the CL, 16m in salaries are basically peanuts especially considering that a substantial chunk of it is possibly covered by merchandising and sponsors. United can be criticised in a million and one way but two things are certain. We know how to generate money out of big names (Bastian is Germany's former captain and a WC winner) and we go to ridiculous extent to keep our people happy. Ando, Fletcher, Robson, Keane, Gaz and Carrick overstayed and we closed an eye to that. Not to forget that we basically handled English internationals like Phil Neville and Nicky Butt for free because we didn't want to ruin their chances of joining a decent club. FFS we are a club where even 'dissenters' like Moyes and Keane were allowed to take top quality players like Evans and Januzaj on loan despite they couldn't help bitching about the club.
I also think that any criticism towards Mourinho on this regards are uncalled for. The man had bent over backwards to try to integrate SAF/Moyes/LVG players into his team. Carrick was given a 1 year contract. Moyes love child Fellaini, had his role totally reinvented and he's now sitting comfortable as a first teamer. Same thing can be said about LVG's other love child Blind who was kept as a CB and he had been featured in most of the games. Not to forget Mata whom Mou had shown the door to at Chelsea but who now seems determined to keep him into the team to the expense of big signing Mkhitaryan. Most of these players are on a high salary (at least Fellaini and Mata are considering that they were both panic buys).
Not to forget that it doesn't make financial sense to disillusion his many fans especially since Bastian holds us by the balls. We're obliged to pay him irrespective on whether he plays or not and at his age and in his condition he can just sit out for the rest of his contract and enjoy his early retirement. Sure as hell he's been doing that for the past year.
So yeah there must be a valid reason why United had done that to Bastian
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I was one of those who was happy when he signed him. But everything that has happened since then has made me think otherwise. His injuries and playing style has taken a toll on his body, and he won't be able to play any more than a bit part for the club - a bit part we probably do not need.
Call him a victim of circumstances or whatever you want, but I don't think his presence here is good for the club, especially the locker room. He's within his right so sit it out and collect his salary, that was our mistake. But the sooner he leaves the better.
In another reality I would have loved to have seen 2-3 good seasons with us to end of his top-level career, but it was not to be. I'm more concerned for the club's well-being than for his pride or ego, so am choosing to not sympathise with his situation. He's a well-paid victim of circumstances.
Call him a victim of circumstances or whatever you want, but I don't think his presence here is good for the club, especially the locker room. He's within his right so sit it out and collect his salary, that was our mistake. But the sooner he leaves the better.
In another reality I would have loved to have seen 2-3 good seasons with us to end of his top-level career, but it was not to be. I'm more concerned for the club's well-being than for his pride or ego, so am choosing to not sympathise with his situation. He's a well-paid victim of circumstances.
He seems to have lost the ability to move box to box which is what made him one of the best midfielders around. He's content to just sit there and keep possession, his passing isn't as varied and accurate as Scholes' or Kroos so he can't play the deep lying role, not for a top club anyway.
When pressed high up, he lost the ball to many times last season and couldn't work back to retrieve it as he's not as fast as he once was. In hindsight, it was probably the wrong decision to bring him to the club.
When pressed high up, he lost the ball to many times last season and couldn't work back to retrieve it as he's not as fast as he once was. In hindsight, it was probably the wrong decision to bring him to the club.
United have been very classy in the past. The mere fact that we arent willing to air our dirty laundry in the past doesnt mean that we are in the wrong.
But for a section of some of our fans. everything the club does is "embarrassing"
Some have been quick to jump in made up conspiracy theories with some even going as far as saying that the reason he is being sidelined is because he is an LVG player. Just nonsensical really.
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