Exactly. Maradona is the greatest of all time. Maybe we should get and pay him also because his name is a legend and was captain of Argentina.
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There was a lot of moaning about that and even more so about Hernandez and Rafael. Maybe not at the time, because back then everything LVG did was fantastic (similar to Mou now). When people stopped liking him, moaning about this was a regular thing here.
That fat contract comes with expectation. It's his fault because he hasn't done of what he suppose to be done as a United player in 200k/wk contract.
It's a basic concept.
He was also talking injuries, he didn't imply he wasn't able to keep himself fit. But reading it this way certainly fits the "fat, lazy feck"-strategy better.
Btw, he is fit right now, so obviously this isn't a factor in the decision at all.
Oh he's fit now? Mou should roll down the red carpet, put Pogba on the bench and he should allow poor Bastian to play. He deserves it after what he did for us which is exactly......
Seriously, if he's fit now, then I guess Bayern would be interested in having back. Surely a fit Bastian would be an asset to their team. Our loss would be their asset.
Exactly this.
Crazy amount of unnecessary hate towards Basti in here.
I'm sorry what? What the hell are you talking about? Is it open season to just post any moronic stuff that you can come up with?
In 2005 Felix Magath had Schweinsteiger training with the reserves because he didn't think he was worthy of a first team spot.
Now jog on.
What's that got to do with him? He's not stealing that money.
We knew what he's capable of, we knew about his injury problems and yet it's us who gave him big 3 year contract. It was our job to assess the value of the player, estimate his status in the team and other data (age, injury record etc.) and offer him suitable wages.
Schweinsteiger signed what he was offered, it's not his fault that we made a horrible mistake.
Just because we offered him silly money he won't suddenly become 200k/week player, that's only our problem.
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In Fergie's time perhaps he would remain as a squad option but Jose doesn't rotate like Fergie did so unless he sees Schweini as part of his first team plans there seems little point in keeping him on.
Having said that, I really don't understand the hate from some here. He's past his best and we know very little about the amount of effort he put in last year to roll back his fitness issues if we're honest. Everyone has a sell by date and it's not like we paid mega bucks for him. If we can get him off the wage bill soon then he's just a small punt that didn't really come off. Even if we can't he's just a slightly rubbish transfer. That doesn't make him some kind of SS war criminal, regardless of what the Chinese think!
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Right, totally forgot that Pogba is just one of the many stellar CM players your team has under contract. That certainly requires him and his locker to be moved to the reserves, and exlcude him from the regular training sessions.
Look, it's not that hard to stick with the most likely explanation why JM made this decision without having seen him on the pitch once:
You have 3 players who -combined- swallow up close to 1m pound/week, so there's a need to lighten your salary bill otherwise. To make that happen, it's decided to make it as embarassing as possible for the next highest earner.
It's the decision your club is allowed to make, albeit a classless one. It's not a usual thing, JH as a recent example, where a lot of you guys where trying to immediately draw a connection to Bastian, calling out supposed hypocrites, didn't get his locker moved and kicked out before day 1 either.
No need for victim blaming here at all.
Now we have realised that mistake. Now we are trying to make amends. So why is it an issue then?
Each and every single poster giving him shit here would do the same but hey, its the internet, we can all pretend to be glorious saints. Who wants a huge pay cheque for doing nothing in the last few years of his career? Nope. After having won everything that's worth winning in football, he should take a massive paycut and prove himself at Everton.
Just googeld up this Sun article about this incidet, incredible many misstakes. Magath took over before the 2004/2005 season and Schweinsteiger was injured when Magath told the whole Team to drive to Mainz for a game Schweinsteiger asked him if he should come with them as well and Magath asked him "who are you?". Funny story which Schweinsteiger told in television a few years ago and Magath of course should have known who he was as he already played serveral games for the first team the season before
There's no reason for sour grapes from Bayern fans, it's not like they are harming us in any way by shunning out Schweinsteiger.
That said: A player offered silly money based on a performance level he simply (and obviously) could hardly reach and never sustain for years now is not at fault for accepting said silly money. I can find no fault in Schweinsteiger's behaviour at all and if he insists on "cashing in" he has the right to do so. What United do while he is under contract is their decision and there are certainly smarter ways to use that time.
If you want to get angry at someone then direct your wrath at whoever drew up the contract, not the one who signed it.
That said: A player offered silly money based on a performance level he simply (and obviously) could hardly reach and never sustain for years now is not at fault for accepting said silly money. I can find no fault in Schweinsteiger's behaviour at all and if he insists on "cashing in" he has the right to do so. What United do while he is under contract is their decision and there are certainly smarter ways to use that time.
If you want to get angry at someone then direct your wrath at whoever drew up the contract, not the one who signed it.
Can't argue with that.....this is his last contract of note.
Guardian reporting that the club are considering letting Schweinsteiger go for free.
Does it say as in reaching an agreement on paying up his contract or for free if a club comes in for him?
It seems the club is prepared to cancel his contract allowing him to join any club he likes even if it's outside the transfer window
No info on whether he'll be paid off. . . which I doubt would be offered to him.
So unless Schweinsteiger gets a huge offer from the MLS you're still probably stuck with him. I really can't see any team with ambitions in Europe pay his current salary and he said before that he's not interested in playing for any club in Europe besides United and Bayern.
Hope Basti stays and gets playing time.
Happy that he stays.
The MLS transfer window is already closed.
That's why we're allowing him to leave on a free. Free agents can join any club even if the transfer windows are closed.
LA Galaxy.
This is turning into some Old Yeller type shit.
Don't get some of the responses here, he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be, the whole team underperformed massively and other than martial, de gea, rashford and maybe smalling no one had a better season. Rooney, memphis, darmian, fellaini, rojo and jones are still here.
I accept that mourinho doesn't want him here, but he has a contract and if he wants to stay then we should try to get the best out of him, after all he's a top professional with tons of experience.
I accept that mourinho doesn't want him here, but he has a contract and if he wants to stay then we should try to get the best out of him, after all he's a top professional with tons of experience.
I follow a number of leagues so I am no stranger of clubs pushing players out because of their high salaries. Juventus being one of the best in this fine art. Baggio, Vialli even Del Piero was kicked out of the club the day Juventus thought they could easily live without them. They are the most ruthless club I've ever seen.
Having said that Manchester United are not Juventus. First of all we're the richest club in the world. We are a monstrous money making machine which generate loads of profit every year. A club that had spend 157m in 1 summer transfer window despite being out of the CL can certainly afford to keep Bastian if they want to. Also unlike other clubs we tend to take care of our players. The club have kept Robson till age 36 (a rare thing in the 90s) even though he barely ever played and throughout the years there were many players who have overstayed (ex Fletcher, Gaz, Keane, Giggs and Bastian's own former teammate Hargreaves)
You may say that we're now managed by the evil incarnate as opposed to SAF. Which I would counter using 2 arguments. First of all SAF was more ruthless than Mou was when he first joined us. He showed the door to alot of players, some of whom had given more to the club than Bastian ever did. Secondly Mourinho had gone to a great extent to try and accommodate most of the players already in place. Carrick whose legs are gone was given another contract, Fellaini a panic buy who represent the biggest feck up of Moyes administration has been kept and protected from both media and fans, while the likes of Darmian and Depay (who where horrible last season) were kept. Mou seem to have found a role even for LVG's other love child Daley Blind and Mou's 'arch nemesis' Juan Mata (who must be one of the top earners and whom Mourinho kicked out at Chelsea)
So what went wrong with Bastian? God only knows. What's sure is that Bastian was one of our worst performers last season. He also vanished in a crucial part of our season only to return fresh and fit for the EURO. Maybe that 'coincidence' is what convinced Mou to push the red button on his United's career? As said before United tend to be quite accommodating with old or injured players. However they seem to be quite vulnerable at those who do not seem to pull's one weight to their cause or start acting a bit funny. Just ask RVN, Ince or Beckham, all players who were shipped out despite still being in their prime.
Anyway we're entitled to send Bastian to the reserves just as Bastian is entitled to cash in on his cheque despite doing nothing. If one of the parties disagree with that, then he only have to meet the other party and work a way out by rescinding the contract. Bayern keep bitching about how we have treated him. However they have yet to offer Bastian a way out by bidding for him. Surely such classy club wont allow one of their legends to be treated that way can they?
Which leads us to your last point ie class. Oh that's pretty open to interpretation isn't it? For example you seem to think that a club that sends a player to the reserves despite the player in question had done feck all for that club is classless. I think that a club who doesn't fire a manager who showed his private parts to the players and who keeps somebody who refused to collaborate on the biggest corruption scandal in football history as their honorary president as a shifty club whose devoid from any sort of morals whatsoever. As said its all open to interpretation
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The way Bastian has conducted himself is actually very admirable. He still goes to the games and congratulates the team on social media. He is handling this in a very professional way.
Actually his lack of professionalism with regards to United with regards to his playing for us is what has left him in the cold.
He is handling things the way you'd expect anyone in his position to handle it really. He knows he's at the end if his career and it'd be utterly daft to make an enemy of the club when there's a high risk of him not being able to find another club.
It is all bit sad Kiss and make up Jose and Basti!!
Kiss and make up Jose and Basti!!Just more guesswork from the same guy that said Jones would start the season as first choice centre back.
In Fergie's time perhaps he would remain as a squad option but Jose doesn't rotate like Fergie did so unless he sees Schweini as part of his first team plans there seems little point in keeping him on.
Having said that, I really don't understand the hate from some here. He's past his best and we know very little about the amount of effort he put in last year to roll back his fitness issues if we're honest. Everyone has a sell by date and it's not like we paid mega bucks for him. If we can get him off the wage bill soon then he's just a small punt that didn't really come off. Even if we can't he's just a slightly rubbish transfer. That doesn't make him some kind of SS war criminal, regardless of what the Chinese think!
SAF wouldn't have given him that monstrous salary + he would have handled him a 1 year contract.
Perhaps. But then he probably wouldn't have signed for us in that case.
At his best he was one of the best in the world. He's past his best, but he's still got something to offer if he's adamant that he's staying.
JM's job will be to figure out just what that is.
Personally if he shows the proper mentality and abilty to get his points across. We could do with a worse player coach for our U23s and he needs to accept that his role is no longer as a rotation player, if he wants to stay.
It is what it is either way we will probably end up eating his contract. So we should be trying to get as much value as possible back in any form we can.
JM's job will be to figure out just what that is.
Personally if he shows the proper mentality and abilty to get his points across. We could do with a worse player coach for our U23s and he needs to accept that his role is no longer as a rotation player, if he wants to stay.
It is what it is either way we will probably end up eating his contract. So we should be trying to get as much value as possible back in any form we can.
I don't understand the massive love for Bastian (poor lad etc). Yes, it's BFS, but he really left us for worse last season.
1) Basically unfit for the entire year. Rarely lasting 90 minutes. Niggling injuries here and there. Missing key games.
2) Follows his wife to all her Tennis matches when he should be recovering from his injuries (logically this would be at Carrington).
3) Spends the summer with the Germany squad, seemingly fit for the entirely of the Euros and playing considerably better.
Yeah he's a nice guy on Twitter and was a fantastic player in his prime but right now he's an injury prone midfielder who didn't give his all last year and was seemingly unfit when we needed him. Then he's suddenly fit to represent Germany in the euros.
He was extremely unprofessional with us last season.
Regarding the contract, he has every right by law to stay here for 2 years and collect his salary.
Mourinho is the new manager, it is really common for new managers to have certain players from the old regime that don't fit their system. Bastian is one of those players. He can neither play the deep lying defensive midfielder, nor the box to box role. So he's useless for Mourinho's system, hence him being out of the squad.
If you will not use a player for matchdays, it is useless to have him around the squad. Even if its in good faith, it causes unneeded tension and unrest. So the club has every right to send him to the reserves and make him train there.
Also regarding Bayern related comments, its standard point-scoring, if they're that heartbroken about the situation and can't stand to see Bastian being treated like this, let them sign him and pay his wages whilst not using him.
1) Basically unfit for the entire year. Rarely lasting 90 minutes. Niggling injuries here and there. Missing key games.
2) Follows his wife to all her Tennis matches when he should be recovering from his injuries (logically this would be at Carrington).
3) Spends the summer with the Germany squad, seemingly fit for the entirely of the Euros and playing considerably better.
Yeah he's a nice guy on Twitter and was a fantastic player in his prime but right now he's an injury prone midfielder who didn't give his all last year and was seemingly unfit when we needed him. Then he's suddenly fit to represent Germany in the euros.
He was extremely unprofessional with us last season.
Regarding the contract, he has every right by law to stay here for 2 years and collect his salary.
Mourinho is the new manager, it is really common for new managers to have certain players from the old regime that don't fit their system. Bastian is one of those players. He can neither play the deep lying defensive midfielder, nor the box to box role. So he's useless for Mourinho's system, hence him being out of the squad.
If you will not use a player for matchdays, it is useless to have him around the squad. Even if its in good faith, it causes unneeded tension and unrest. So the club has every right to send him to the reserves and make him train there.
Also regarding Bayern related comments, its standard point-scoring, if they're that heartbroken about the situation and can't stand to see Bastian being treated like this, let them sign him and pay his wages whilst not using him.
Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.It is all bit sad
This is an embarrassing mess
We do not have a player like Basti, against weak teams home or away, can absolutely control the game from midfield. I guess its just not Mourinho's style.
He should not have been frozen out like he has though, he is a much better player than Fellaini but Mourinho loves his physical players too much, the ironic thing is that Basti is 6ft+ himself and an excellent ball winner. Fellaini lacks discipline and after 2 easy games, hes suddenly turned a corner. Wait until we start facing Arsenal, City, Liverpool, then he will show his true, wreckless game.
We do not have a player like Basti, against weak teams home or away, can absolutely control the game from midfield. I guess its just not Mourinho's style.
He should not have been frozen out like he has though, he is a much better player than Fellaini but Mourinho loves his physical players too much, the ironic thing is that Basti is 6ft+ himself and an excellent ball winner. Fellaini lacks discipline and after 2 easy games, hes suddenly turned a corner. Wait until we start facing Arsenal, City, Liverpool, then he will show his true, wreckless game.
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