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Slevs said:
I don't understand the massive love for Bastian (poor lad etc). Yes, it's BFS, but he really left us for worse last season.

1) Basically unfit for the entire year. Rarely lasting 90 minutes. Niggling injuries here and there. Missing key games.

2) Follows his wife to all her Tennis matches when he should be recovering from his injuries (logically this would be at Carrington).

3) Spends the summer with the Germany squad, seemingly fit for the entirely of the Euros and playing considerably better.

Yeah he's a nice guy on Twitter and was a fantastic player in his prime but right now he's an injury prone midfielder who didn't give his all last year and was seemingly unfit when we needed him. Then he's suddenly fit to represent Germany in the euros.

He was extremely unprofessional with us last season.

Regarding the contract, he has every right by law to stay here for 2 years and collect his salary.

Mourinho is the new manager, it is really common for new managers to have certain players from the old regime that don't fit their system. Bastian is one of those players. He can neither play the deep lying defensive midfielder, nor the box to box role. So he's useless for Mourinho's system, hence him being out of the squad.

If you will not use a player for matchdays, it is useless to have him around the squad. Even if its in good faith, it causes unneeded tension and unrest. So the club has every right to send him to the reserves and make him train there.

Also regarding Bayern related comments, its standard point-scoring, if they're that heartbroken about the situation and can't stand to see Bastian being treated like this, let them sign him and pay his wages whilst not using him.
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Sorry but this doesn't make sense at all!
 
dichinero said:
Sorry but this doesn't make sense at all!
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Specify which part.

Doesn't make sense how he was unfit last season?

Doesn't make sense how Mourinho doesn't need him and we want to get rid?

Doesn't make sense how he has the right to stay here based on his contract?
 
Slevs said:
Specify which part.

Doesn't make sense how he was unfit last season?

Doesn't make sense how Mourinho doesn't need him and we want to get rid?

Doesn't make sense how he has the right to stay here based on his contract?
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You concluded that he was extremely unprofessional last season because he was injured, because he follows his wife to tennis matches and was fit at the end of the season. I don't see how any of that deems him an unprofessional player considering the successful career he has had.
 
dichinero said:
You concluded that he was extremely unprofessional last season because he was injured, because he follows his wife to tennis matches and was fit at the end of the season. I don't see how any of that deems him an unprofessional player considering the successful career he has had.
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There's your answer. Big difference between last season and career.

You're not surprised he looked unfit for us almost every game last season then played for Germany in the euros with no problems?
 
devilish said:
Having said that Manchester United are not Juventus. First of all we're the richest club in the world. We are a monstrous money making machine which generate loads of profit every year. A club that had spend 157m in 1 summer transfer window despite being out of the CL can certainly afford to keep Bastian if they want to.
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The question is not if a club can, but whether it wants to. Being wealthy doesn't equate into having no budget limits. The Glazers don't run a charity business. Especially not if your new entries account for approx 850k a week.

devilish said:
Also unlike other clubs we tend to take care of our players. The club have kept Robson till age 36 (a rare thing in the 90s) even though he barely ever played and throughout the years there were many players who have overstayed (ex Fletcher, Gaz, Keane, Giggs and Bastian's own former teammate Hargreaves)
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The question is on what kind of wages they were


devilish said:
So what went wrong with Bastian? God only knows. What's sure is that Bastian was one of our worst performers last season. He also vanished in a crucial part of our season only to return fresh and fit for the EURO. Maybe that 'coincidence' is what convinced Mou to push the red button on his United's career? As said before United tend to be quite accommodating with old or injured players. However they seem to be quite vulnerable at those who do not seem to pull's one weight to their cause or start acting a bit funny. Just ask RVN, Ince or Beckham, all players who were shipped out despite still being in their prime.
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Don't distort the facts. Bastain did not appear fresh and fit to the EUROs. He was subbed in vs Italy early ahead of plan.


devilish said:
Anyway we're entitled to send Bastian to the reserves just as Bastian is entitled to cash in on his cheque despite doing nothing.
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And why exactly is that necessary? He didn't play bad at the EURO. Surely he'd at least be a good addition in the training matches. You know for world beaters like Herrera or Fellaini.


devilish said:
However they have yet to offer Bastian a way out by bidding for him. Surely such classy club wont allow one of their legends to be treated that way can they?
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Once again you opt for strawman tactics. And who said Bastian wants to go back? He didn't leave because we forced him out. He left because he wanted something new.

devilish said:
Which leads us to your last point ie class. Oh that's pretty open to interpretation isn't it? For example you seem to think that a club that sends a player to the reserves despite the player in question had done feck all for that club is classless.
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By that standard, pretty much everyone bar 3 or 4 players would have to train with your reserves. Claiming Bastian was the among the worst last season is questionable at the very least.
 
Slevs said:
There's your answer. Big difference between last season and career.

You're not surprised he looked unfit for us almost every game last season then played for Germany in the euros with no problems?
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He barely played in the Euros so I don't agree that he was fully fit just for Germany. There has never been a question on his physical condition other than the problems with his knee.

Not being fit due to injuries is not the same as being unprofessional and how a player spends time with his partner does not constitute the professionalism of a player.
 
I think people should go back over his performance threads for last season again. Yes, he was injured a lot, but I don't recall him being rubbish bei the consensus last year. Especially in the earlier part of the season, people were generally drooling.

I don't think the caf wanted rid of him on the whole before Mourinho came in and declared that he doesn't want him. Now there's a lot of 'feck off Bastian'.
 
Rozay said:
I think people should go back over his performance threads for last season again. Yes, he was injured a lot, but I don't recall him being rubbish bei the consensus last year. Especially in the earlier part of the season, people were generally drooling.

I don't think the caf wanted rid of him on the whole before Mourinho came in and declared that he doesn't want him. Now there's a lot of 'feck off Bastian'.
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He rarely played a full match as I recall. Fitness was an issue. He played some good matches and in others he was mediocre at best.

I did hope he would be part of Jose's plan. Now that he is not, I want him gone soon so he is not a distraction.
 
Rozay said:
I think people should go back over his performance threads for last season again. Yes, he was injured a lot, but I don't recall him being rubbish bei the consensus last year. Especially in the earlier part of the season, people were generally drooling.

I don't think the caf wanted rid of him on the whole before Mourinho came in and declared that he doesn't want him. Now there's a lot of 'feck off Bastian'.
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Exactly. It's incredibly sad that fans cannot make their own opinions despite watching matches but are easily driven other influences. I believe he would still be a key player for Bayern if not for the injury issues. He was the best of the midfield options when he was for enough to play.
 
Scholesy said:
This is an embarrassing mess

We do not have a player like Basti, against weak teams home or away, can absolutely control the game from midfield. I guess its just not Mourinho's style.

He should not have been frozen out like he has though, he is a much better player than Fellaini but Mourinho loves his physical players too much, the ironic thing is that Basti is 6ft+ himself and an excellent ball winner. Fellaini lacks discipline and after 2 easy games, hes suddenly turned a corner. Wait until we start facing Arsenal, City, Liverpool, then he will show his true, wreckless game.
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Fellaini's last 2 performances have been better than anything Schweinsteiger's done for us. He did have a couple of good games last year also despite being poor for the most part. Most importantly Mourinho still sees value in Fellaini which he clearly doesn't in Schweinsteiger. If the manager doesn't want him then he shouldn't have any obligation to use him. It's his team. Guardiola's been a lot more unfair to City's players who have actually been a major part of City's success. I don't think Guardiola's wrong to do that either because it's his team but he should be a far more obvious target for these bs stories than Mourinho.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Guardiola's been a lot more unfair to City's players who have actually been a major part of City's success. I don't think Guardiola's wrong to do that either because it's his team but he should be a far more obvious target for these bs stories than Mourinho.
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Guardiola didn't resort to locker moving, and banning folks into the reserves. So, I'm not quite sure where you are coming from
 
Great player, won the lot.

Has done absolutely nothing for us and is quite clearly happy to sit on his arse and collect his wage. He was blowing out of his arse after 30 mins in some games last season
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Feel sorry for him after that tweet. I think Mou should let him play in the Euro and League cups, rest the other players.
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You cannot run a top level club on sympathy or sentiment.

He was a very good player once. But Jose has chosen to let him go. What's to stop players from refusing to leave in future when they know we can just let them back in?

Jose will want to set a precedent. Bastian is done here. Jose said that those not in his plans 'will not play a single minute' and he has stuck true to his word .
 
Dazzmondo said:
Fellaini's last 2 performances have been better than anything Schweinsteiger's done for us. He did have a couple of good games last year also despite being poor for the most part. Most importantly Mourinho still sees value in Fellaini which he clearly doesn't in Schweinsteiger. If the manager doesn't want him then he shouldn't have any obligation to use him. It's his team. Guardiola's been a lot more unfair to City's players who have actually been a major part of City's success. I don't think Guardiola's wrong to do that either because it's his team but he should be a far more obvious target for these bs stories than Mourinho.
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Our last 2 games are probably 2 of the easiest we will have this season. We could have played Jones in midfield and he would probably would have done as good as Fellaini.

When we play Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, then Fellaini will be a failure in the defensive midfielder position. Schweinsteiger could control these games.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Fellaini's last 2 performances have been better than anything Schweinsteiger's done for us. He did have a couple of good games last year also despite being poor for the most part. Most importantly Mourinho still sees value in Fellaini which he clearly doesn't in Schweinsteiger. If the manager doesn't want him then he shouldn't have any obligation to use him. It's his team. Guardiola's been a lot more unfair to City's players who have actually been a major part of City's success. I don't think Guardiola's wrong to do that either because it's his team but he should be a far more obvious target for these bs stories than Mourinho.
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Fellaini has done well in his last two games but goodness me! :eek:
 
.Rossi said:
He is in his feck scared of Rooney ffs :D

Dave, who plays for Doncaster Rovers, is not even scared of Rooney. You ever see a star fall from the sky?
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Why does he not drop Rooney then? He is unfit and useless. 99.9999% of fans agree.

Mourinho is scared to drop Rooney. There is no other reason.
 
But....but....I thought he wanted to run his contract down and collect his salary without giving a feck?
 
Scholesy said:
Why does he not drop Rooney then? He is unfit and useless. 99.9999% of fans agree.

Mourinho is scared to drop Rooney. There is no other reason.
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You really think a new manager is going to come in there and start disrupting the dressing room like that, by treating the club captain like shit?

He'll phase him out over time. Rooney won't be around for much longer.

Schweinsteiger is a different story altogether. I feel for the guy but, they are not exactly lining up to sign him, are they?
 
Scorpy said:
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.Rossi said:
You really think a new manager is going to come in there and start disrupting the dressing room like that, by treating the club captain like shit?

He'll phase him out over time. Rooney won't be around for much longer.

Schweinsteiger is a different story altogether. I feel for the guy but, they are not exactly lining up to sign him, are they?
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He can drop Rooney with treating him "like shit". Just stick him on the bench.

Not many clubs can afford 200k per week wages and he is under contract.
 
.Rossi said:
You really think a new manager is going to come in there and start disrupting the dressing room like that, by treating the club captain like shit?

He'll phase him out over time. Rooney won't be around for much longer.

Schweinsteiger is a different story altogether. I feel for the guy but, they are not exactly lining up to sign him, are they?
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That still indicates 'fear' though.

You are basically saying he'd like to drop Rooney, but is picking him as it's the easier option.
 
Still wonder why the feck we gave him massive 3 years contract anyway ? Didn't the club have policy not giving more than 2 years contract for players wh over 30 ?
 
Scholesy said:
Our last 2 games are probably 2 of the easiest we will have this season. We could have played Jones in midfield and he would probably would have done as good as Fellaini.

When we play Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, then Fellaini will be a failure in the defensive midfielder position. Schweinsteiger could control these games.
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you don't know any of this.
 
Scholesy said:
He can drop Rooney with treating him "like shit". Just stick him on the bench.

Not many clubs can afford 200k per week wages and he is under contract.
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Rozay said:
That still indicates 'fear' though.

You are basically saying he'd like to drop Rooney, but is picking him as it's the easier option.
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If we are talking in comparison to Schweinsteiger, Wayne Rooney actually contributes more to the team than Bastian Schweinsteiger.

In general, he will be dropped. It's just a matter of time before Mick or Rashford takes his place
 
Scholesy said:
Our last 2 games are probably 2 of the easiest we will have this season. We could have played Jones in midfield and he would probably would have done as good as Fellaini.

When we play Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, then Fellaini will be a failure in the defensive midfielder position. Schweinsteiger could control these games.
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That is absolute rubbish. Shall I post the video of Arsenal away last year and how Schweinsteiger was embarrassed and dominated?
 
.Rossi said:
If we are talking in comparison to Schweinsteiger, Wayne Rooney actually contributes more to the team than Bastian Schweinsteiger.

In general, he will be dropped. It's just a matter of time before Mick or Rashford takes his place
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Rooney's contribution is negative. He has a negative effect on the team.
 
devilish said:
I follow a number of leagues so I am no stranger of clubs pushing players out because of their high salaries. Juventus being one of the best in this fine art. Baggio, Vialli even Del Piero was kicked out of the club the day Juventus thought they could easily live without them. They are the most ruthless club I've ever seen.

Having said that Manchester United are not Juventus. First of all we're the richest club in the world. We are a monstrous money making machine which generate loads of profit every year. A club that had spend 157m in 1 summer transfer window despite being out of the CL can certainly afford to keep Bastian if they want to. Also unlike other clubs we tend to take care of our players. The club have kept Robson till age 36 (a rare thing in the 90s) even though he barely ever played and throughout the years there were many players who have overstayed (ex Fletcher, Gaz, Keane, Giggs and Bastian's own former teammate Hargreaves)

You may say that we're now managed by the evil incarnate as opposed to SAF. Which I would counter using 2 arguments. First of all SAF was more ruthless than Mou was when he first joined us. He showed the door to alot of players, some of whom had given more to the club than Bastian ever did. Secondly Mourinho had gone to a great extent to try and accommodate most of the players already in place. Carrick whose legs are gone was given another contract, Fellaini a panic buy who represent the biggest feck up of Moyes administration has been kept and protected from both media and fans, while the likes of Darmian and Depay (who where horrible last season) were kept. Mou seem to have found a role even for LVG's other love child Daley Blind and Mou's 'arch nemesis' Juan Mata (who must be one of the top earners and whom Mourinho kicked out at Chelsea)

So what went wrong with Bastian? God only knows. What's sure is that Bastian was one of our worst performers last season. He also vanished in a crucial part of our season only to return fresh and fit for the EURO. Maybe that 'coincidence' is what convinced Mou to push the red button on his United's career? As said before United tend to be quite accommodating with old or injured players. However they seem to be quite vulnerable at those who do not seem to pull's one weight to their cause or start acting a bit funny. Just ask RVN, Ince or Beckham, all players who were shipped out despite still being in their prime.

Anyway we're entitled to send Bastian to the reserves just as Bastian is entitled to cash in on his cheque despite doing nothing. If one of the parties disagree with that, then he only have to meet the other party and work a way out by rescinding the contract. Bayern keep bitching about how we have treated him. However they have yet to offer Bastian a way out by bidding for him. Surely such classy club wont allow one of their legends to be treated that way can they?

Which leads us to your last point ie class. Oh that's pretty open to interpretation isn't it? For example you seem to think that a club that sends a player to the reserves despite the player in question had done feck all for that club is classless. I think that a club who doesn't fire a manager who showed his private parts to the players and who keeps somebody who refused to collaborate on the biggest corruption scandal in football history as their honorary president as a shifty club whose devoid from any sort of morals whatsoever. As said its all open to interpretation
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Great post.
 
Red Dreams said:
then again van Gaal is known for his idiotic decisions.
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I figured . Moyes, Van Gaal fecking costed us a ransom for their clueless long term plan.
If Mourinhou signs fecking Balotteli I'll start a protest.
 
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