Bastian Schweinsteiger | Exit Speculation

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Jacko21 said:
Ah, not to worry, he's on the club website. All is well.

What's the point it trying to pretend this in an entirely private matter, to be kept in house and simply 'business as usual'?

He's a high-profile member of the playing staff at a high-profile football club, whose situation is being widely discussed. Radio silence from the club is not an adequate response given the conjecture on the matter and that Bastian himself has addressed the topic.

The club hold themselves in high-esteem, yet this kind of spectacle only serves as ammunition.
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It should have been a private matter. These things happen on a regular basis and had happened with players who were in better condition than Bastian is currently in and had done more for their club then he did (Zola at Parma, Ravanelli at Juve etc). If they have some dignity left in them they will leave (Ravanelli ended up with frigging Middlesbrough few months after he won the CL with Juventus). If not they simply shut up and keep sucking the club dry as they entitled to do just like Bogarde did.

Bastian is lucky to have an excellent PR team behind him which include one of the best clubs in the world. He's playing the victim card when in reality he never gave us 1 decent game and he vanished in the treatment room only to reappear fit for the Euros. Fans are far too forgiving with big names. Do you seriously think anyone would bat an eyelid about this if instead of Bastian there was Lingard or lets say Mcnair
 
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No mention in that statement of a desire to fight hard for his place here, only he'll be ready if he is needed. I'd have preferred him to be a bit more defiant maybe. Shown he still has some hunger and fight.

As @K2K said this won't change Mourinho's thinking one jot. I'll be very surprised if he plays for us again.

I completely understand him sitting tight however, until he can get the right move for himself. That'll be to the US in time I guess. We've given him this contract so that's our problem if we can't get him to go, not his.

Again, brings into question some of the poor contracts we've given out in recent years.
 
i really don't understand the love for this guy. he's been here one year and spent most of the time watching his wife's matches than on the pitch. this place is quick to kick fellani and valencia to the curb, but a guy that practically quit on the team last year and you want him back. no thanks, enjoy the bottle water and complimentary protein bars at carrington
 
Hope he's at least back training with the first team squad once the window closes. We're paying his wages so might as well give him a chance to prove himself. Worst case scenario he fails to impress Jose in training and he's left out of every match day squad. But I don't think he's that bad a player; a few midfield injuries and he would be useful for League Cup or Europa League games.
 
devilish said:
It should have been a private matter. These things happen on a regular basis and had happened with players who were in better condition than Bastian is currently in and had done more for their club then he did (Zola at Parma, Ravanelli at Juve etc). If they have some dignity left in them they will leave (Ravanelli ended up with frigging Middlesbrough few months after he won the CL with Juventus). If not they simply shut up and keep sucking the club dry as they entitled to do.

Bastian is lucky to have an excellent PR team behind him which include one of the best clubs in the world. He's playing the victim card when in reality he never gave us 1 decent game for us and he vanished in the treatment room only to reappear fit for the Euros. Do you seriously think anyone would be concerned about this if instead of Bastian there was Lingard or lets say Mcnair
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It should have been a private matter. But it's not. And it never could've been.

You mention Lingard/McNair - hence why I said 'He's a high-profile member of the playing staff at a high-profile football club, whose situation is being widely discussed.' No two situations are the same.

Wouldn't necessarily say he's playing the victim. But I don't either Bastian or United have handled this appropriately.
 
I just think its sad basically.
He won the world cup 2 years ago, germany looked far better with him in midfield this summer than without.
I thought bayern looked a better team with him around than when he was injured and alternative pretty damn good midfielders were playing

The injuries (and perhaps the wages that go with that a bit) could be a problem but if he does wind up 'stuck' here due to a lack of alternative offers
(you'd think bayern would throw a bid in for him) then I think we can and should make use of him.
You've laid down a marker that your possibly pissed off with his behaviour last season
and that'll you'll drop him back to irrelevance if he doesn't adjust to whatever we want or expect him to adjust to.

He offers something different to our other midfielders
Plan A might be to have 2 athletic, hard working midfielders behind a goal scoring #10, which hes not equipped for basically.
But he gives us a solid plan B if we want to slow the game down, keep the ball and just choke the other team out.

I get why hes been frozen out - we have 4 midfield spots and carrick, pogba, herrera and schneiderlin are deemed more useful which seems fair enough basically.
 
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(you'd think bayern would throw a bid in for him)
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We wouldn't. There was a reason he was let go comparatively cheap and we've since brought in Sanches, Vidal and Kimmich (I won't count Alonso). Rummenigge's statements made it rather clear that he has no future as a Bayern player in any way.
 
Jacko21 said:
It should have been a private matter. But it's not. And it never could've been.

You mention Lingard/McNair - hence why I said 'He's a high-profile member of the playing staff at a high-profile football club, whose situation is being widely discussed.' No two situations are the same.

Wouldn't necessarily say he's playing the victim. But I don't either Bastian or United have handled this appropriately.
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He’s a Manchester United player just as Lingard is and Jesse did more for us (that goal in the FA cup final) then Bastian did. I am not sure if Bastian is a Manchester United high profile player. If he is, he never showed that on the pitch for us.

Maybe he should have allowed his playing to do the talking instead. He might still be in the first team if he did. His performance with us was nowhere near to that of a high profile player and his miraculous recovery just before the EURO stinks big time. Alternatively he might ask Bayern to walk the walk and bid for him. I am sure that United would consider their offer. He is their legend, not ours

This is yet another attempt by a player whose riding on his past success to extract as much money as possible for him without losing his dignity too much. Considering that we allowed him to do so then we can't complain too much about it. However lets not delude ourselves whose the real victim/sucker in this story. Its certainly not Bastian.
 
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Piratesoup said:
We wouldn't. There was a reason he was let go comparatively cheap and we've since brought in Sanches, Vidal and Kimmich (I won't count Alonso). Rummenigge's statements made it rather clear that he has no future as a Bayern player in any way.
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Then they should stop giving us grief about selling him.
Its just seems really petty attempt at point scoring
 
caid said:
Then they should stop giving us grief about selling him.
Its just seems really petty attempt at point scoring
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I second that... don't think I'm a fan of Kalle opening his mouth at every given opportunity.
 
devilish said:
He’s a Manchester United player just as Lingard is and Jesse did more for us (that goal in the FA cup final) then Bastian did. I am not sure if Bastian is a Manchester United high profile player. If he is, he never showed that on the pitch for us.

Maybe he should have allowed his playing to do the talking instead. He might still be in the first team if he did. His performance with us was nowhere near to that of a high profile player and his miraculous recovery just before the EURO stinks big time. Alternatively he might ask Bayern to walk the walk and bid for him. I am sure that United would consider their offer. He is their legend, not ours
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High profile - 'A position attracting much attention or publicity'.

I'd say Bastian is the definition of high profile in this instance.
 
Jacko21 said:
High profile - 'A position attracting much attention or publicity'.

I'd say Bastian is the definition of high profile in this instance.
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He certainly haven't done anything at ot to merit such attention or publicity. In matter of fact he was crap
 
kps88 said:
Hope he's at least back training with the first team squad once the window closes. We're paying his wages so might as well give him a chance to prove himself. Worst case scenario he fails to impress Jose in training and he's left out of every match day squad. But I don't think he's that bad a player; a few midfield injuries and he would be useful for League Cup or Europa League games.
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He is still 32 and managed well, i think he can offer us a lot. Just because Aloysius ran him to the ground, which resulted in injuries and fatigue, doesnt mean he is just good enough for second tier games. Like i said, i think he can still play at a high level, not every week, but surely every now and then he could play for us in games where we would rotate. He sill was decent at the Euros, better than expected.
 
I find it strange that some posters demand players respect their contracts and stop engineering moves and force their way out by not attending training and basically rebelling to get a move. Yet our own club is basically doing the club version of that where we are forcing him out, not allow in him to train with the first team, took away his locker and froze him out and told him to forget his contract that they agreed to and feck off. That part I find hypocritical. Because if martial decided to try and engineer a move away everyone including those who are saying Bastian should feck off and stop getting paid the money we agreed to pay him the whole Caf would be up in arms and the "classy brigade" would be out in full force
 
ChaddyP said:
I find it strange that some posters demand players respect their contracts and stop engineering moves and force their way out by not attending training and basically rebelling to get a move. Yet our own club is basically doing the club version of that where we are forcing him out, not allow in him to train with the first team, took away his locker and froze him out and told him to forget his contract that they agreed to and feck off. That part I find hypocritical. Because if martial decided to try and engineer a move away everyone including those who are saying Bastian should feck off and stop getting paid the money we agreed to pay him the whole Caf would be up in arms and the "classy brigade" would be out in full force
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Agree.
 
Jacko21 said:
But the farce surrounding his future, has. That's my point.
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There's no farce at all. Bastian had been frozen out of the first team and he's now training in the reserves. Clubs are entitled to do that with their own players and it does happen alot. Its not as if Mou had shown his private parts to him as a former Bayern Munich manager did with Luca Toni. That would be awkward and unacceptable wouldn't it?

United biggest mistake was not to answer back. There's plenty of ammo to use including what Bayern's former manager said about Bastian (ie he was never fit for the past 3 years). They could also offer Bastian to his former club on loan for free if they are ready to foot his salary. Lets see how they would react to that.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
I really don't understand why Bayern Munich don't sign Schweinsteiger if Rummenigge, Lahm, Müller, Boateng and now Neuer (He's still one of the best midfielders in the world") can't tolerate his situation at Manchester United :)

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Fecking hypocrites. Rummenigge had zero problem shipping him off when he was deemed not needed by them and lucked out because Van Gaal needed a CM that knew his system. Where were Lahm, Muller, Boateng and Neuer when Bayern was selling him? Why won't Rummenigge take him back? Why aren't those players pushing for his return? Cnuts should shut their fecking mouths.

Rummenigge showed what a joke he was when he said Bayern would never do that to a player, yet they have done that in Rummenigge's regime as Chairman, in fact it was done to Schweinsteiger
 
JustinC00 said:
Fecking hypocrites. Rummenigge had zero problem shipping him off when he was deemed not needed by them and lucked out because Van Gaal needed a CM that knew his system. Where were Lahm, Muller, Boateng and Neuer when Bayern was selling him? Why won't Rummenigge take him back? Why aren't those players pushing for his return? Cnuts should shut their fecking mouths.

Rummenigge showed what a joke he was when he said Bayern would never do that to a player, yet they have done that in Rummenigge's regime as Chairman, in fact it was done to Schweinsteiger
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Ever thought of Bastian not wanting to go back? He won everything with us, and wanted to do something else. Nobody at the club asked/forced him to leave.
If it helps maintaining your favorite narrative, carry on though
 
JustinC00 said:
Fecking hypocrites. Rummenigge had zero problem shipping him off when he was deemed not needed by them and lucked out because Van Gaal needed a CM that knew his system. Where were Lahm, Muller, Boateng and Neuer when Bayern was selling him? Why won't Rummenigge take him back? Why aren't those players pushing for his return? Cnuts should shut their fecking mouths.

Rummenigge showed what a joke he was when he said Bayern would never do that to a player, yet they have done that in Rummenigge's regime as Chairman, in fact it was done to Schweinsteiger
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I'm sorry what? What the hell are you talking about? Is it open season to just post any moronic stuff that you can come up with? :wenger::wenger::wenger:
 
Cristiano Lell said:
I'm sorry what? What the hell are you talking about? Is it open season to just post any moronic stuff that you can come up with? :wenger::wenger::wenger:
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If you don't have anything substantial, just start making stuff up to feel better about a situation. Human behaviour 101:boring:
 
Saddled with another huge salary. Thanks to LVG on this one again. The amount of money wasted by Moyes and van Gaal whether on transfer fees or wages really is a joke and the media are actually trying to criticise the money we've spent on world class players this summer? Can't blame Schweinsteiger, getting money for nothing and at this stage doesn't need to care about anything else. Mourinho doesn't deserve any abuse either since he did all he could to avoid this situation. He still probably won't play any part this season, nor should he if Jose has decided he has no place in this squad.
 
kps88 said:
Hope he's at least back training with the first team squad once the window closes. We're paying his wages so might as well give him a chance to prove himself. Worst case scenario he fails to impress Jose in training and he's left out of every match day squad. But I don't think he's that bad a player; a few midfield injuries and he would be useful for League Cup or Europa League games.
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Yeah, rather agree. If he's willing to put in the work, might as well incorporate him into the team for cup matches. At worse, it would give some of our players a bit of rest from the extra travel. Beckham was able to get back into the RM team after being initially frozen out, so if Basti can be professional enough, he'll get some game time.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Saddled with another huge salary. Thanks to LVG on this one again. The amount of money wasted by Moyes and van Gaal whether on transfer fees or wages really is a joke and the media are actually trying to criticise the money we've spent on world class players this summer? Can't blame Schweinsteiger, getting money for nothing and at this stage doesn't need to care about anything else. Mourinho doesn't deserve any abuse either since he did all he could to avoid this situation. He still probably won't play any part this season, nor should he if Jose has decided he has no place in this squad.
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All said with the benefit of hindsight. The gamble on him was completely worth it for me. It didn't work out but there's no need to lay all the blame on any one person in this situation.

I wish him all the best and hope it all works out well for both parties, at the end.
 
Scarecrow said:
All said with the benefit of hindsight. The gamble on him was completely worth it for me. It didn't work out but there's no need to lay all the blame on any one person in this situation.

I wish him all the best and hope it all works out well for both parties, at the end.
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Not really. Pep warned us that Bastian wasn't able to keep himself fit for the past 3 years
 
devilish said:
He certainly haven't done anything at ot to merit such attention or publicity. In matter of fact he was crap
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Despite doing practically nothing for us, he's still high profile because he's a German legend and a big name in world football.
 
Scarecrow said:
All said with the benefit of hindsight. The gamble on him was completely worth it for me. It didn't work out but there's no need to lay all the blame on any one person in this situation.

I wish him all the best and hope it all works out well for both parties, at the end.
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Had he been on about 100k/w then maybe he'd have been worth the risk but Schweinsteiger hadn't done anything that season to justify over 200k/w. Van Gaal wasted huge amounts of money with very little return. Can't put that all down to bad luck. I think it's perfectly fair to criticise him for it. Not to mention, he could have at the least made it a short-term contract to minimalise the risk while maintaining the option to extend it like we have with Zlatan.
 
kps88 said:
Despite doing practically nothing for us, he's still high profile because he's a German legend and a big name in world football.
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and for Manchester United that means exactly......
 
Summit said:
Some very harsh words from our fans on this matter which is a little surprising.
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When mcmanaman was given the same treatment at Madrid and reacted the same way, the fans named him player of the year for his perseverance.

Here, and now, it's apparently just "feck off and take your paycheck with you."
 
Ixion said:
All the players should have been given a chance by Mourinho to prove themselves.
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Jose is a top class manager; arguably the best manager in the World.
Sorry man, but I trust his assessment over yours and if he says that Bastian is not good enough for us, then I'll agree 100% with that assessment.

Fans need to remember that MUFC is not some charity for footballers who are struggling to display their talents.
When you arrive, you need to tell yourself that you are joining arguably the biggest team in the World and will need to perform at a high level, immediately.
Players who need 2-3 seasons to show they are not crap, are not good enough for MUFC.

My way of thinking is that if a player is not good enough for Bayern, he is not good enough for us.
This sounds very cut throat, but what did Bastian expect when he joined MUFC? A holiday camp?
 
B20 said:
When mcmanaman was given the same treatment at Madrid and reacted the same way, the fans named him player of the year for his perseverance.

Here, and now, it's apparently just "feck off and take your paycheck with you."
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Mcmanaman showed the middle finger to the club that developed him by moving to Real on a free. He scored in a CL final and he was adored by Real Madrid fans for his workrate. Why exactly should United fans like Bastian? Maybe for his miraculous healing from an injury that kept him out of United's team during crucial period of our season and whose healing allowed him to represent his country during the Euros?
 
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I can't quite see what's the problem here. Basti was signed by the previous Manager. The current Manager does not think him worthy of being included in the team squad, so he is asked to train with the reserves. So what's the big deal? He does not like it, he can quit. Simple. Or he can just take it easy, collecting his check every week, which is what 'the high profile legend' is doing. Fair enough. So why are some around here moaning?
Two years back, Nani signed a 5-year renewal. Next year, he was sold by the then Manager. I did not see much moaning then. Nani also could have refused to go to Turkey, and be content with getting his salary regularly. But he wanted to play, so he left. That's how it is, and should be.
 
Smoking_Owl said:
F*ck off, Bastian.

Easy to be 'classy' and 'professional' when you're earning £150k+ a week for doing sweet f*ck all.

I feel sorry for the fans that get taken in by, and fall for his 'nice guy' behaviour. They must have been dropped on their heads as children.

He must have some PR team though, to be able to spin the current situation in a positive light for himself when the reality is he's phoning it in and taking the club and it's fans for a ride.
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And how exactly is that Schweinsteiger's fault?

We gave him three year contract and offered enormous wages, contract was signed by both parties, end of story.
 
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