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And tbh, I don't think he's bitter about the club. He's an experienced pro and knows he's not in the manager's plans. He will wait and see what's best for him.
It doesn't mean he should accept any move. Which is what some here are suggesting.
 
People criticising him for just sitting and picking up a pay cheque? For staying here rather than going elsewhere and taking a pay cut?

Seriously?!

He's close to the end of his career, if we've committed to paying him £150k for however long, then how is he out of order in staying and have us honour that?

I'd do the same if I was him, unless somebody is going to pay me, at least, very close to the same amount, then i'd sit and get £150k a week for doing nothing too.
 
Some of you guys are so vicious:lol: Give Basti a break. Not his fault the club gave him that contract.
Last season when he played for the most part I seem to recall quite a few of us liking how assured we looked when he was on the field. All of a sudden he's the worst thing ever.
Apart from being injured, I can't honestly say he was that bad when he actually played - excepting Arsenal away where everyone played shite and that was mostly due to LVG's tactics.
As for what's been leaked about him, I can't take it seriously tbh. Whichever player did the leaking - we have no idea what their motivation was for saying what they did. Even if they were annoyed, why go to the press? Now rightly or wrongly, everyone is using this 'leak' to bash him.

It's a shame it's come to this.

However, if he's staying around until he can move to the MLS then we might as well give him a run out in the Cup competitions. We may as well get something for the salary we're paying him.
 
Schweinsteiger for sure has offers from the MLS - he would be the only World Champion who plays there...

He has emphasized Europe in his message - and he for sure would not transfer anywhere now and then again in spring...
 
You lot are a joke :lol:, it's like you expect him to forfeit his salary because he's been dropped and told he's not part of first team plans...

What are you expecting him to say 'Sorry Man Utd fans that I'm still being paid even though I'm not playing, I feel extremely bad about this and will happily take a move to any club anywhere in the world that wants me for any amount of money just so United fans don't have to worry about one of the richest clubs in the world who've just blown £90m on my replacement paying me a wage anymore'.
 
Jacko21 said:
The club should at least acknowledge his existence. Instead of feigning ignorance.

No need to treat any member of staff, playing or otherwise with contempt.
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But how is his existence not acknowledged? Or how should it be acknowledged?

He's got a squad number, he's in the squad roster on the official page as far as I rememeber, what more has to be done?
 
Adisa said:
I understand your point but I don't honk Basi hast anything to do about what his brother posts and what comes from Bayern. In the latter's case it's probably cause they were asked by journalists.
The stuff Basti says about "Man Utd being the only club he would leave Bayern for" its not the first or second time he's said such. He's said it many times. What he's saying is he doesn't have the motivation to play for any other club. You can't blame him for that.
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I beg to differ on that. Having some experience in marketing with close relations to PR myself I can assure you that very few things happen out of co-incidence. Take the Pogba marketing stunt as an example. Everything was planned to perfection including Mino's tweets (the bla bla bla one) which was perfectly crafted and fitted into the deal of the year.

As said, I am not bothered that we're paying Bastian his salary. We did the mistake and we should be footing the consequences of it. Its not the first time a club got their fingers burnt because of that. Bogarde and Falcao at Chelsea, damn even most of the class of 92 overstayed not to forget Roy Keane.

What I am bothered about is that his team is making us look like some kind of monsters and him as the victim. We're talking here of a player whom United had shown faith to despite not being able to be fit for the past 3 years. How did he repaid us? His performance with us was crap, he picked an injury which should have kept him out for months only to miraculously get healed prior to the EURO and after treating us like some idiots his PR team (including himself) seemed shocked that we have sent him to the reserves. What do they expected us to do exactly? Should we keep a 200k a week salary in the first team when its evident that he's not good there anymore? If Bayern are so shocked then why don't they offer place a bid for him and get him back?

I tell you what a truly vindictive club would do.

a- they will remove everything remotely linked to him from the website etc
b- the manager would hint that Bastian is injured, that his legs are gone and that he cant remain fit (a bit like what former Bayern Munich manager did when he was signing for us)
c- they will not allow him any access to Carrington whatsoever.

These sort of things happened before with Roberto Baggio at Inter and he a much better player than Bastian ever was and in a much better conditions
 
Kostur said:
But how is his existence not acknowledged? Or how should it be acknowledged?

He's got a squad number, he's in the squad roster on the official page as far as I rememeber, what more has to be done?
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devilish said:
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/First-Team.aspx?pageNo=2

The club still acknowledges his existance
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Ah, not to worry, he's on the club website. All is well.

What's the point it trying to pretend this in an entirely private matter, to be kept in house and simply 'business as usual'?

He's a high-profile member of the playing staff at a high-profile football club, whose situation is being widely discussed. Radio silence from the club is not an adequate response given the conjecture on the matter and that Bastian himself has addressed the topic.

The club hold themselves in high-esteem, yet this kind of spectacle only serves as ammunition.
 
Jacko21 said:
Ah, not to worry, he's on the club website. All is well.

What's the point it trying to pretend this in an entirely private matter, to be kept in house and simply 'business as usual'?

He's a high-profile member of the playing staff at a high-profile football club, whose situation is being widely discussed. Radio silence from the club is not an adequate response given the conjecture on the matter and that Bastian himself has addressed the topic.

The club hold themselves in high-esteem, yet this kind of spectacle only serves as ammunition.
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No, but really, you still can't answer my question because you know how absurd the answer will be. What the club is supposed to do? Write a fecking statement on why he isn't playing?

Or you think Mourinho should do something in his presser like 'Hola y'all. I gotta answer to the people of Caf, twitter and that German feckface from Bayern.'?

Now, you see, that would be fecking ridiculous as it would mean that we're having our balls squeezed by the media, some Bayern officials or their ex-players or some other shit.
 
devilish said:
I beg to differ on that. Having some experience in marketing with close relations to PR myself I can assure you that very few things happen out of co-incidence. Take the Pogba marketing stunt as an example. Everything was planned to perfection including Mino's tweets (the bla bla bla one) which was perfectly crafted and fitted into the deal of the year.

As said, I am not bothered that we're paying Bastian his salary. We did the mistake and we should be footing the consequences of it. Its not the first time a club got their fingers burnt because of that. Bogarde and Falcao at Chelsea, damn even most of the class of 92 overstayed not to forget Roy Keane.

What I am bothered about is that his team is making us look like some kind of monsters and him as the victim. We're talking here of a player whom United had shown faith to despite not being able to be fit for the past 3 years. How did he repaid us? His performance with us was crap, he picked an injury which should have kept him out for months only to miraculously get healed prior to the EURO and after treating us like some idiots his PR team (including himself) seemed shocked that we have sent him to the reserves. What do they expected us to do exactly? Should we keep a 200k a week salary in the first team when its evident that he's not good there anymore? If Bayern are so shocked then why don't they offer place a bid for him and get him back?

I tell you what a truly vindictive club would do.

a- they will remove everything remotely linked to him from the website etc
b- the manager would hint that Bastian is injured, that his legs are gone and that he cant remain fit (a bit like what former Bayern Munich manager did when he was signing for us)
c- they will not allow him any access to Carrington whatsoever.

These sort of things happened before with Roberto Baggio at Inter and he a much better player than Bastian ever was and in a much better conditions
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I think b) and c) might actually get the club sued :lol:
 
With the "last club in Europe" message, it's clear that even Bastian himself accepts that his time at the top level is over.
 
Kostur said:
No, but really, you still can't answer my question because you know how absurd the answer will be. What the club is supposed to do? Write a fecking statement on why he isn't playing?
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What would be the harm in addressing it? Clarifying that Bastian is not part of Mourinho's first team plans, but is still a member of the playing staff and is welcome at Carrington.

Think about the storm there would have been if United had feigned ignorance when in 2010, Rooney released a statement to say he wasn't signing a new contract. Instead, Ferguson himself sought to clarify it.

This 'wall of silence' approach doesn't have to apply to every aspect of club affairs.
 
entropy said:
A player of his experience and caliber can be an asset if used properly. Instead the poor fecker is ending up as road kill.
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The poor bugger, being paid a fortune to sit in the crowd each week and cheer us on.
 
Jacko21 said:
What would be the harm in addressing it? Clarifying that Bastian is not part of Mourinho's first team plans, but is still a member of the playing staff and is welcome at Carrington.

Think about the storm there would have been if United had feigned ignorance when in 2010, Rooney released a statement to say he wasn't signing a new contract. Instead, Ferguson himself sought to clarify it.

This 'wall of silence' approach doesn't have to apply to every aspect of club affairs.
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Nor should addressing everything people outside of the club wish to ask us about, or in Bayern's case, attack us about.

Rooney's case was completly different to what's going on with Schweinsteiger. Rooney wanted to leave but he was actually in our plans, one of our top players. Schweinsteiger doesn't want to leave, isn't in manager's plans and isn't one of our top players. It's like we should be addressing every press speculation and whatnot nowadays. What next, bowing down to Depay's entourage explaining by some weird statement why he isn't picked ahead of Martial? Also, with Rooney it was Ferguson's plan/mindgames/call it what you wish to somehow force him to either stay or move. Just like he said that Rooney wants to leave in his last season.

It's clear as a day that Schweinsteiger isn't in manager's plans, what if it actually is the club who's acting with dignity here as the sole reason why he isn't picked is because the players don't like him? Because they indeed are annoyed, rightfully or wrongly, by his constant fecking off to Munich or following his wife around her tournaments? Such statement would damage his reputation and there would be more attacks from his lapdogs.
 
DannyCAFC said:
You lot are a joke :lol:, it's like you expect him to forfeit his salary because he's been dropped and told he's not part of first team plans...

What are you expecting him to say 'Sorry Man Utd fans that I'm still being paid even though I'm not playing, I feel extremely bad about this and will happily take a move to any club anywhere in the world that wants me for any amount of money just so United fans don't have to worry about one of the richest clubs in the world who've just blown £90m on my replacement paying me a wage anymore'.
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There are those of us that want him gone asap, but understand that he is well within his grounds to stay put. Dont tar us all with the same brush. That just seems like an easy way to have a pop at all United fans.

I hope we reach an amicable solution where he leaves for somewhere like America, gets a good wage and we both move on.
 
I hope he has a chance playing in the Europa League and convince Mourinho to play him from time to time.
Can't understand some of your comments on Basti. After Fellaini shut your mouth with his performances you probably need a new scapegoat.
 
Jacko21 said:
What would be the harm in addressing it? Clarifying that Bastian is not part of Mourinho's first team plans, but is still a member of the playing staff and is welcome at Carrington.

Think about the storm there would have been if United had feigned ignorance when in 2010, Rooney released a statement to say he wasn't signing a new contract. Instead, Ferguson himself sought to clarify it.

This 'wall of silence' approach doesn't have to apply to every aspect of club affairs.
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but we kfnow he isnt part of Mourinho's first team plans, but is a memember of the playing staff, and of course he is welcome at Carrington we would fine him if he didnt turn up for training.

it would be like releasing a statement saying red is red.
 
ferguson2 said:
I hope he has a chance playing in the Europa League and convince Mourinho to play him from time to time.
Can't understand some of your comments on Basti. After Fellaini shut your mouth with his performances you probably need a new scapegoat.
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i can't see him getting playing time in the Europa league, we have so many players needing minutes i'd be shocked if a player who obviously isn't part of the manager's plans gets game time.
 
Poor Basti. I hope LA Galaxy or someone comes in for him
 
Kostur said:
It's clear as a day that Schweinsteiger isn't in manager's plans, what if it actually is the club who's acting with dignity here as the sole reason why he isn't picked is because the players don't like him? Because they indeed are annoyed, rightfully or wrongly, by his constant fecking off to Munich or following his wife around her tournaments? Such statement would damage his reputation and there would be more attacks from his lapdogs.
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I accept he may not be popular, I've discussed this earlier in the thread.

Though, I would not claim Manchester United are the ones acting with dignity, not given their past form. Nothing about the club in recent years has been dignified. Sadly.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
but we kfnow he isnt part of Mourinho's first team plans, but is a memember of the playing staff, and of course he is welcome at Carrington we would fine him if he didnt turn up for training.

it would be like releasing a statement saying red is red.
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Going round in circles here. Just back to my point about the club acting discourteously and choosing not to address something in the hope it'll go away.

It's just silly. Unnecessary. And not befitting of a 'family club' - as United themselves like to profess.
 
Jacko21 said:
Going round in circles here. Just back to my point about the club acting discourteously and choosing not to address something in the hope it'll go away.

It's just silly. Unnecessary. And not befitting of a 'family club' - as United themselves like to profess.
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but it wouldn't go away if united released statement stating the blindingly obvious, literally nothing would change other then it would encourage more people to talk about it and have their say on the situation and the statement.

their is literally nothing to be done, Mourinho obviously doesn't see Schweinsteiger as part of his plans, and no club is buying him, so it's stale mate, all everyone can do is act professional and get on with life, which seems to be exactly whats happening.
 
I guess there will be one more talk with Mourinho.* If he doesn't even need Schweinsteiger in regard to a possible "injury crisis" and in regard to league cup and Europa league... then Schweinsteiger will leave for sure to the States.

* Yeah, I know that Mourinho made already very clear that he plans without Schweinsteiger. But decisions can change. And maybe it was a bit of strategy to get Schweinsteiger to the point where he accepts (even is happy about) a role in league cup and europa league only.
 
I feel like Bastian can still be useful to the team if Mourinho gave him a chance. He's still one of the best passers in the game and is a true professional to the game. I don't like Mourinho's treatment of him but the coach also has the right to choose who is going to be in the team or not. I just wish he had still let him train with the first team and not with the U-21s. I don't see how Basti's experience couldn't be a help to the younger players. Guys like Pogba, Herrera and Schneiderlin could learn a lot from him.
 
Good backup to have, especially when he himself is fine with the situation.
Expensive, sure, but it's not like we are desperate to get him of the wage-bill, will be good to have if we suddenly get a midfield-injury-crisis.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
but it wouldn't go away if united released statement stating the blindingly obvious, literally nothing would change other then it would encourage more people to talk about it and have their say on the situation and the statement.

their is literally nothing to be done, Mourinho obviously doesn't see Schweinsteiger as part of his plans, and no club is buying him, so it's stale mate, all everyone can do is act professional and get on with life, which seems to be exactly whats happening.
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Let's agree to disagree.

I simply have higher expectations when it comes to how the club I support conduct themselves.
 
Amar__ said:
Why are people so annoyed? :lol: Of course he is not going to accept less money at some other club, especially at some lesser club than United, how many players in the history actually did that?

Whether you want to accept it or not, he is acting like every sane person in the world would do. What exactly people want him to do, give his money to the club that decided to gave him a big contract last year? We really have some thick people here.

What's actually annoying is that he is still probably better player than both Rooney and Carrick, our other two "older" players who are way past their best too, but yet we are giving them great treatment, but are getting rid of Schweinsteiger before the season even started. But some people are so blindly in love with Mourinho that they can't have their own opinion on some players.

It would be interesting to search old posts of year ago from same people who are against him now, could do it later actually.
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Adisa said:
WTF is wrong with you people?
You want him to go and play for some no mark club in Europe just so you guys can feel good about yourselves?
He probably feels he doesn't have the motivation/stamina to play at the highest level so wants to go abroad. Perfectly reasonable position to have.
And until he can sort out a move, preferably the MLS...he will train and make himself ready for January. We gave him the contract, that's our obligation.
Some of you are ridiculous.
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Spot on. But this is the reality of football fans. The majority are fickle and ruthless once a player is not good enough for them anymore and will not give any situation their (maybe) once favorite muppet transfer target finds himself in the benefit of the doubt... I'll bet some of them were drooling pogba style when bild announced his transfer in his thread last year.

Strangely enough (nah not surprised actually) it's this very same group of people that will be furious and call for loyalty once the situation is reversed and a top player of ours has deemed our club not good enough anymore.
 
Jacko21 said:
Let's agree to disagree.

I simply have higher expectations when it comes to how the club I support conduct themselves.
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i have high expectations too, i just don't think their is anything the club can do in this case.

but yeah agree to disagree.
 
I really don't understand why Bayern Munich don't sign Schweinsteiger if Rummenigge, Lahm, Müller, Boateng and now Neuer (He's still one of the best midfielders in the world") can't tolerate his situation at Manchester United :)

 
Is he really just going to stick around in the reserve team for 2 more years. I would have thought he would rather leave as he's only 32

Disaster of a signing
 
DWelbz19 said:
What, and you think Schwine's wage has nothing to do with that?
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Yep, that's pretty much what I think. Maybe I'm wrong though. But say we managed to offload Schweinsteiger and we can now use (part of) his wages for a new signing, we'd still have 24 players with a manager specifically pointing out on various ocasions he is planning to use exactly 23. If no one out of the 23 I mentioned wants out and refuses to leave, we'd basically have the same problem only with less wages, but the difference is not that big, maybe 5 or 10 million pounds.

Example: we manage to offload Schweinsteiger and want to sign a new winger to replace Memphis or Young because Mourinho doesn't really rate them, but Memphis or Young simply refuses to leave. We'd then still have a player on 80 or 100k a week or whatver Smashley and Memphis make, who is surplus to requirements just like Schweinsteiger is now.

Also it feels weird that a 15 million a year salary with our turnover would really be a bottleneck. Sure it's not ideal, but don't see how it could be a real problem if we really wanted to bring in more players right now.

And to put it the other way around, if one out of the 23 players I mentioned actually would want to leave, maybe Rojo, Jones, or Memphis, or Young for whatever reason, I think we will sign a replacement for them regardless of whether Schweinsteiger and his 15 million salary stay on or books next season or not.
 
Attila said:
Is he really just going to stick around in the reserve team for 2 more years. I would have thought he would rather leave as he's only 32

Disaster of a signing
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I hope we don't go anywhere near Bayern again, nothing has ever come from it.
 
Ive done a bit of a U-Turn on this

I assumed he would be gone a month ago, and wasnt too sorry about it

But now I am starting to feel a bit sorry for him. Maybe he should have been given the chance to redeem himself from hi slack of efforts last season.

Either way, the situation as it is, is doing nobody any good at all
 
Jacko21 said:
Going round in circles here. Just back to my point about the club acting discourteously and choosing not to address something in the hope it'll go away.

It's just silly. Unnecessary. And not befitting of a 'family club' - as United themselves like to profess.
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Jose was asked about it, and he did address it. Mentioned that the player wasnt part of his plans.

The club doesnt need to mention anything further.
 
Kant-ona said:
I guess there will be one more talk with Mourinho.* If he doesn't even need Schweinsteiger in regard to a possible "injury crisis" and in regard to league cup and Europa league... then Schweinsteiger will leave for sure to the States.

* Yeah, I know that Mourinho made already very clear that he plans without Schweinsteiger. But decisions can change. And maybe it was a bit of strategy to get Schweinsteiger to the point where he accepts (even is happy about) a role in league cup and europa league only.
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You obviously havent been paying attention to Mourinho over his career.

He will have told Bastian that his chances of playing are nil, and that will not have changed one bit. This simply delays the inevitable.
 
This has this weird Casillas scent to it, people were outraged, claimed that he's a great pro, a great player loved by everybody and in the end he got called a flop by Porto president and del Bosque said he didn't even like him.
 
do.ob said:
I think b) and c) might actually get the club sued :lol:
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It didn't happen to Inter (not that I would agree if United did that to Bastian. I am just highlighting what a truly vindictive club would do)
 
I don't understand how anyone can be mad at Schweinsteiger for not wanting to leave. If your current job told you they had no use for you and didn't need you to do anything but had to keep you around and pay you because you just signed a contract I can't imagine anyone would leave that situation.
 
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