Barcelona defender Mapi Leon accused of touching opposing players private parts while saying "Do you have a dic*?"

[jojojo]

If the player wasn't offended by it then I'm not going to go out of my way to try and find ways to be.

I'm pretty sure she was offended. Hence the original complaint from Espanyol.

The backlash against Daniela was horrible though. A combination of racist abuse and accusations that she's a man - with a few accusations that she's just a no talent bully trying to spoil the reputation of a better player out of envy or malice. Right now, she probably wishes that she hadn't said anything.

I also suspect that Espanyol realise that they can't really afford to get into a fight with Barcelona - not a legal one or a footballing one, they have neither the money nor the PR machine for it. The outright denial by Mapi Leon has that "written by a solicitor" tone.

 

[John XII]

That’s like saying that a certain ex Man Utd player didn’t do anything wrong because the victim didn’t press charges.

It's rather worrying that a lot of people actually did say that.

 

[Tallis]

Except your post assigned a motive to her actions that doesn’t exist.

If we’re judging on actions alone - it’s just an innocuous bit of contact that doesn’t meet the bar for assault or anything else.

What about her asking “do you have a dic*” ? Also, innocuous ?

 

[Berbaclass]

What about her asking “do you have a dic*” ? Also, innocuous ?

How do you know that's what she said?

 

[Tallis]

How do you know that's what she said?

Because Daniela is claiming that’s what she said as per the original complaint.

 

[Berbaclass]

Because Daniela is claiming that’s what she said as per the original complaint.

Okay, and Mapi has said that she said something different.

 

[Tallis]

Yes, nowhere out of the norm for the sort of insults you hear on a football pitch.

Ok. So basically, you’re saying that female players routinely accuse each other of having dic*s. And for the first time in the history of football, a player has got offended and made a complaint ? So really, it’s the alleged victims fault for making a complaint for something so routine ?

 

[Tallis]

Okay, and Mapi has said that she said something different.

Okay and I also believe that Mapi has an incentive to lie but Daniela doesn’t. As we have seen from the abuse that Daniela is receiving, there was no incentive to make this up ?

 

[hobbers]

Ok. So basically, you’re saying that female players routinely accuse each other of having dic*s. And for the fire time in the history of football, a player has got offended and made a complaint ? So really, it’s the alleged victims fault for making a complaint for something so routine ?

No I think you just said all that.

 

[GatoLoco]

It’s a sign of respect in Uruguay.

 

[cpresc]

The time is different. If Rubiales deserved a 3 year ban from football, fired from his job and up to 1 year in prison, then they have to chase this case with the same vengeance! Especially if it was a transphobic comment then they could push for additional charges.

It does not mean I agree with it. But it would be double standards by spanish football and spanish society if Leon was not investigated with the same intensity!

Wait is that for the manager that kissed that chick on the head?

A year in prison? I’m not following this at all and that dude was the only one who made the news and I recall it blowing up

If so, that is absolutely mental

 

[Red in STL]

Wait is that for the manager that kissed that chick on the head?

A year in prison? I’m not following this at all and that dude was the only one who made the news and I recall it blowing up

If so, that is absolutely mental

Good job Vinnie Jones didn't play in Spain!

 

[cafecillos]

Wait is that for the manager that kissed that chick on the head?

A year in prison? I’m not following this at all and that dude was the only one who made the news and I recall it blowing up

If so, that is absolutely mental

And it shows. He wasn't a manager, he didn't kiss her on the head, and he hasn't and won't ever go to prison (for this). Also, "that chick"

 

[Gandalf]

Wait is that for the manager that kissed that chick on the head?

A year in prison? I’m not following this at all and that dude was the only one who made the news and I recall it blowing up

If so, that is absolutely mental

That chick is probably not the best way to word any response to this but leaving that aside he kissed her full on the mouth not on the head.

He has not been jailed and it is unlikely he will be, the charge does carry a potential custodial sentence but it would be a surprise if it got to that. It is a very different scenario than this one and I am not sure why people are so determined to conflate the two other than to make arguments in bad faith.

 

[Tarrou]

Wait is that for the manager that kissed that chick on the head?

A year in prison? I’m not following this at all and that dude was the only one who made the news and I recall it blowing up

If so, that is absolutely mental

nah he didn't go to prison for that

 

[Posh Red]

It's rather worrying that a lot of people actually did say that.

And still do Outrageous

 

[antohan]

So you think it's ok to kiss people on the lips without their permission, or sexually assault someone? Cool, nice to know who you really are.

No, I don't think it's ok but a year in jail is a bit much for a smooch don't you think? Other forms of assault sure, but it's the sort of thing you deservedly get slapped for, or a proper hiding from a partner, and sacked as well in that guy's case or that of anyone doing it in a workplace. But jail? Nah.

You don't usually go to jail in Spain for sentences below 2 years.
They are asking for 1 year for the assault (so no jail time) but 1.5 years for pressuring the player into defending him.

I don't get what that one year sentence without jail would amount to, but whatever it is it makes more sense than jail.

Pressuring (which can have several degrees of nastiness) and obstruction of justice is a different cup of tea but I don't know the details.

He did not.

World's not totally gone then. Good news.

 

[Red the Bear]

Did the parlor misspell her tattoo?

 

[cpresc]

That chick is probably not the best way to word any response to this but leaving that aside he kissed her full on the mouth not on the head.

He has not been jailed and it is unlikely he will be, the charge does carry a potential custodial sentence but it would be a surprise if it got to that. It is a very different scenario than this one and I am not sure why people are so determined to conflate the two other than to make arguments in bad faith.

I also said “that dude”

What’s the difference?

 

[Gandalf]

I also said “that dude”

What’s the difference?

Do I need to draw you a diagram?

 

[Lightbringer]

RCD Espanyol Declines to File Complaint Against Mapi León, RFEF to Investigate​

Latest update in this case it seems that it is now going to disciplinary board even though espanyol didn’t file report before deadline.

The Disciplinary Committee for the Primera División de Fútbol Femenino has decided to initiate extraordinary proceedings. This means that an investigating judge will now summon both Mapi León and Daniela Caracas to provide their accounts of the incident.

https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/football/2369127-rcd-espanyol-declines-to-file-complaint-against-mapi-leon-rfef-to-investigate?

 

[cpresc]

Do I need to draw you a diagram?

Sure

 

[Thom Merrilin]

Good that it's not just going to blow over. This kinda thing should be eliminated from the sport even if it's not the most egregious offense of all time.

 

[NewGlory]

It's rather worrying that a lot of people actually did say that.

yeap

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

This whole story is a load of bollocks.

 

[glaspalast]

In your example, the male player is making fun of the lack of physicality / skill of the opposition player.

In the current case, the female athlete is NOT making fun of the lack of physicality / skill of the opposition player. Leon is instigating the female player is a trans athlete pretending to be a cisgender female and deriving an advantage.

Those two examples are not the same.

Im struggling to see the difference between mocking a gender-unusual lack of physicality vs mocking a gender-unusual excess of physicality and i see no reason to invoke offended transexuals.

Its shitty shit-talking that deserves.a few match ban, unless you think women footballers are snowflakes that need special protection.

The comparisions to rubiales are his cronies and running dogs trying to get a bit of revenge on the nasty women. Also note that the kiss was the whitehead on an abscess of sexist nonsense.

 

[stepic]

I see this as the equivalent of using homophobic or racist language on the pitch. Language that we have hopefully eradicated whether you’re on a football pitch or not. Neither person has to be trans for the comment to be transphobic, which it clearly is.

 

[Cassidy]

I'm in agreement when it comes to equality. So let's see it applied both ways and have this woman persecuted and vilified in the same way a man would be

Seen plenty of men grabbing mens private parts in the PL

 

[Red in STL]

Seen plenty of men grabbing mens private parts in the PL

Goes back even further, who can forget this one

 

[Lightbringer]

Barcelona players, fans and club supporting Leon and insisting she has done nothing wrong.

"It wasn't just the fans who rallied behind León. The club itself demonstrated its solidarity by displaying a large flag featuring her face. A staff member at the stadium unveiled the banner, adorned with the blue and garnet colors of Barcelona, alongside León's name.

Rather than expressing solidarity with the victim, Barcelona has seemingly elevated a player who has been at the center of a scandal that has gone largely unaddressed in women's football. This incident has raised questions about the sport's community values, especially as the broader football world has not criticized León's inappropriate conduct.

Recall that León's actions involved inappropriate touching of 's Daniela Caracas during a Liga F match. Despite this serious allegation, Barcelona refrained from condemning or even commenting on her behavior, further highlighted by the tribute organized for her recently."

https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/f...rtive-chants-following-controversial-incident

 

[Gazza]

It's a different situation and the participants have a different power relationship. So I have no idea why you are looking for an exact same sort of reaction. I mean, it makes sense to want to see a strong reaction hetr, but I have no idea why you think the Rubiales situation is a particularly comparable case.

@Lightbringer I am genuinely curious to see your response here

 

[Donaldo]

Homophobia, inherent racism, so many things wrong with this.

 

[Reds Under The Bed]

Barcelona players, fans and club supporting Leon and insisting she has done nothing wrong.

"It wasn't just the fans who rallied behind León. The club itself demonstrated its solidarity by displaying a large flag featuring her face. A staff member at the stadium unveiled the banner, adorned with the blue and garnet colors of Barcelona, alongside León's name.

Rather than expressing solidarity with the victim, Barcelona has seemingly elevated a player who has been at the center of a scandal that has gone largely unaddressed in women's football. This incident has raised questions about the sport's community values, especially as the broader football world has not criticized León's inappropriate conduct.

Recall that León's actions involved inappropriate touching of 's Daniela Caracas during a Liga F match. Despite this serious allegation, Barcelona refrained from condemning or even commenting on her behavior, further highlighted by the tribute organized for her recently."

https://www.footboom1.com/en/news/f...rtive-chants-following-controversial-incident

Did they consult Kenny Dalglish over his handling of Suarez's racist behaviour?

 

[stepic]

Incredible gaslighting by Barca

 

[jojojo]

Case now closed - Mapi Leon gets a two match ban for "unsporting conduct."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cg5qev0948vo

Barcelona appealed the initial RFEF judgment but lost, their follow-up appeal to CAS was rejected as well. RFEF (the Spanish FA whose disciplinary panel gave the original decision) say they won't be making any further comment.

Match one of her ban was on Sunday (she missed the Atletico match). Match two was yesterday against Sevilla. Barça won 6-0 and 5-1.

They play Chelsea on Sunday in the WCL semifinal first leg.

 

[Lightbringer]

Case now closed - Mapi Leon gets a two match ban for "unsporting conduct."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cg5qev0948vo

Barcelona appealed the initial RFEF judgment but lost, their follow-up appeal to CAS was rejected as well. RFEF (the Spanish FA whose disciplinary panel gave the original decision) say they won't be making any further comment.

Match one of her ban was on Sunday (she missed the Atletico match). Match two was yesterday against Sevilla. Barça won 6-0 and 5-1.

They play Chelsea on Sunday in the WCL semifinal first leg.

Pretty much a nothing punishment. It was not more serious than a straight red for handball on purpose.

Barcelona looking incredible silly for appealing and Leon also made a total fool of herself on the pitch and then following it up by lying in the aftermath.

But overall it seems that the womens football community has accepted that this kind of behavior is OK if you are a star player at least.

Mostly silence from the most prominent womens journalists, I guess they were really not interested in going after a female perpetrator.

 

[jojojo]

Pretty much a nothing punishment. It was not more serious than a straight red for handball on purpose.

Barcelona looking incredible silly for appealing and Leon also made a total fool of herself on the pitch and then following it up by lying in the aftermath.

But overall it seems that the womens football community has accepted that this kind of behavior is OK if you are a star player at least.

Mostly silence from the most prominent womens journalists, I guess they were really not interested in going after a female perpetrator.

I think there's such a disconnect between Mapi Leon image as a symbol of the fight by Spanish players to get acceptance and the charges levelled against her here that most people didn't want to believe any of it.

What happened in this instance could be construed as no more than a brief contact, at worst designed to distract or wind up an opponent - that's pretty much what the ruling decided.

It's when the brief contact gets combined with what might have been said that it gets more serious. Then it becomes a targetted thing, with issues of balance of power and racism coming into play. It's this part that people don't want to believe - or at least they want the evidence to be proven beyond reasonable doubt at some level.

Personally, I've lost a massive amount of respect for Leon. I remain very sympathetic towards Daniela Caracas who was the original victim in the case but who got attacked on social media and elsewhere afterwards. Barcelona did nothing to take the heat out of the situation - but then it's not the first time we've seen a club close its eyes to the conduct of their own players.