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Barcelona defender Mapi Leon accused of touching opposing players private parts while saying "Do you have a dic*?"
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Man or woman, it's really fecked up to be touching somebody's private parts full stop, regardless of intention, without permission. She should be punished like any sexual assaulter should be, with a crowbar around the back of Asda.
I don't know if I consider this a big deal.
Not a nice thing to do or say by her but if it was two guys I don't think I would care one bit. I just consider it weird more than anything rather than disgusting etc.
I wouldn't compare it the the Rubiales thing either, that was a man in a position of power abusing a woman.
Maybe I am wrong I don't know.
Not a nice thing to do or say by her but if it was two guys I don't think I would care one bit. I just consider it weird more than anything rather than disgusting etc.
I wouldn't compare it the the Rubiales thing either, that was a man in a position of power abusing a woman.
Maybe I am wrong I don't know.
So you think it's ok to kiss people on the lips without their permission, or sexually assault someone? Cool, nice to know who you really are.
touching somebody's private parts trash talk 
Are you his mum?
Vinnie Jones wants a word with you
I'd knock him out easy.
Just cover your parts first and you'll be fine
Its a nothing burger for me. When people do this things, they are trying to win by unsettling the opponent, and nothing else.
Lets assume the defender is very offended and presses charges. Theoretically she could, and she had a case, given how things are perceived nowadays.
Will Mapi acknowledge and accept punishment, since she lead the mutiny against spanish DT, which had nothing to do with Rubiales gesture?
Or will she say its an overreaction, and did nothing wrong? Quite the funny twist there... Is she the real deal, or just another hypocrite?
Lets assume the defender is very offended and presses charges. Theoretically she could, and she had a case, given how things are perceived nowadays.
Will Mapi acknowledge and accept punishment, since she lead the mutiny against spanish DT, which had nothing to do with Rubiales gesture?
Or will she say its an overreaction, and did nothing wrong? Quite the funny twist there... Is she the real deal, or just another hypocrite?
Asking if someone has a dick and then touching their genitals seems like a really fecked up thing to do. Not entirely sure why people think it's being overblown.
Yeah I dunno, I'd want to ask trans people to give their view on that.
My instinct is that it's not absolutely terrible, but still worse than your alternative example, and should definitely be called out with some sort of punishment. What level of punishment, I wouldn't know.
And also figuring into it, is my worry that the world is becoming a more and more difficult place for trans people, so things like this have more at stake for me than a "grow some balls" comment. Maybe that's placing too much importance on this one event though.
Going by your dreadful post history I'm both honoured and offended.
Like @SilentWitness said, with the rampant amount of transphobia lately it is indeed, if not disgusting, at least horrible thing to say.
if she did indeed touch the genitals I would call that disgusting behaviour.
You don't usually go to jail in Spain for sentences below 2 years.
They are asking for 1 year for the assault (so no jail time) but 1.5 years for pressuring the player into defending him.
We are in 2025 every professional sportsperson and indeed every well raised human should know that kind of behaviour is rightly not acceptable.
If this was banter between really good friends it may be a different story but she had made a big mistake and should at least come out and apologise.
If this was banter between really good friends it may be a different story but she had made a big mistake and should at least come out and apologise.
A male person once bragged about committing assault and later became the President of the US.
So this applies to all “men”?
Given the dynamic, if true, then yeah, i'd say it's transphobia. Even if she didn't intend it that way
It's not a big deal to be honest, anybody with experience in competitive sports or competitive anything knows occurrences such as these are common place and attempts to whitewash the environment more likely than not meet failure.
Also unless one finds a way to police all such interactions on the pitch prosecuting the rare occasion it gets caught will feel all the more random and capricious.
Also unless one finds a way to police all such interactions on the pitch prosecuting the rare occasion it gets caught will feel all the more random and capricious.
He did not.
The fact Espanyol have made a complaint about it means it should be taken seriously. There's a nasty undercurrent to it as well, given the fact we live in the 21st century and not the 1970s like some wish.
It's a bit disingenuous for Leon to come out and say this was a "strictly football incident". I don't remember touching people's genitals and questioning their gender being part of the game.
Caracas, and Espanyol, are clearly of an opinion that's what happened whereas Leon claims it's not and she asked 'what's wrong with you?'. A bit like Matthew Simmons claiming he only said "It's an early bath for you Cantona!"
Mapi shown to be a hypocrite is mildly newsworthy, but the actual contact obviously doesn’t meet any bar for assault even if they wanted to press charges, which I’m sure they won’t.
Nothing burger with a bit of mustard.
Nothing burger with a bit of mustard.
Very surprised that so many people thinks the actions are not offensive at all. There is clear transphobia, potential racism, and a minor degree sexual assault.
I wouldn't disagree with any of this. I just find the stuff about jail term and sexual assault really overblown. I think that female athletes should be allowed to decide their own norms in terms of what is and isn't acceptable behaviour on the field of play (within reason). Has the player involved even lodged a complaint?
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Transphobic behaviour is largely acceptable sadly. Look at how many people gleefully adore the comments from several high profile comedians on the issue such as Dave Chappelle.
Considering the alleged victim has been receiving racial abuse and threats on social media I doubt she is keen on doing anything than just moving on from the whole thing - especially with mighty Barcelona on the other end!
It was quite obviously a tongue in cheek comment. The fact remains that, apart from a few high profile cases, most men who commit sexual assault aren't punished for it.
Rubiales is irrelevant.
The yardstick is: if a male striker turned to his marker, and went “you play like a girl, [touches opponents groin] have you got a vagina in there” what ban should they get?
The yardstick is: if a male striker turned to his marker, and went “you play like a girl, [touches opponents groin] have you got a vagina in there” what ban should they get?
It's quite obviously some kind of misdemeanor at the very least, assault at the most.
Red card to Casemiro.
Would likely be perceived as banter and then the world would move on.
That’s a stretch.
this one was a 3 game ban
https://www.skysports.com/football/...nned-after-grabbing-callum-patersons-genitals
depends on the context though, I guess
In your example, the male player is making fun of the lack of physicality / skill of the opposition player.
In the current case, the female athlete is NOT making fun of the lack of physicality / skill of the opposition player. Leon is instigating the female player is a trans athlete pretending to be a cisgender female and deriving an advantage.
Those two examples are not the same.
No, in all likelihood she was only thinking to insult and needle an opponent who had annoyed her.
Her thought process and motivation is irrelevant in this instance. The actions and impropriety is the only thing that should be used to judge her.
I am not saying this is what I want. I am saying these are the standards by which such incidents have been judged.
Predictably she gets away with it. Now imagine if Rubailes had grabbed the genitals of the female player and said he was checking whether she had a di**.
If the player wasn't offended by it then I'm not going to go out of my way to try and find ways to be.
Simply put, this should not blow over.