Barcelona defender Mapi Leon accused of touching opposing players private parts while saying "Do you have a dic*?"

Frostie said:
Bit of a difference. Gazza and Vinnie were lad's lads, that was pure WUM behaviour from Gazza and I very, very much doubt Vinnie took any offence to it or thought it was sexual assault. Just one club clown trying to get one over on another club clown, and I mean clown in a positive sense with those two, they were the kind of guys every dressing room had from pub team to top level, the fellas that everyone laughed at yet respected.

Every class at school had one, every work place had one. I say had as those days are long gone. Someone like Dean Windass asking Tony Warner if he could feel the weight of his impressive man sausage in the dressing room wouldn't happen now, someone tertiary would take offence despite no offence being intended.

The Barca stuff definitely sounds far more sinister, especially given the person doing it is gay. Looking past the pathetic "I'm checking you're not a man" excuse, it could easily be viewed as a person that likes touching vaginas just touching vaginas and playing it off as something else - whereas Gazza wasn't doing it for sexual gratification, he just wanted to piss off Wimbledon's hard man that had been briefed to stick to him like glue all game. Just imagine a straight man doing it to all the female staff at a PL club and they'd never play football again.
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Wrong way round.
Gazza was a nut job but I doubt even he was stupid enough to grab Vinny Jones balls.
 
I'm in agreement when it comes to equality. So let's see it applied both ways and have this woman persecuted and vilified in the same way a man would be
 
Gandalf said:
These two incidents are really not the same other than both involving footballers though.

The power dynamic for a start is very different with Rubiales being an authority figure using that power over Hermosa to assault and embarrass her in as public a fashion as possible in front of a huge global audience. In the Rubiales case there is also no real mitigation for what he does, he chooses to approach a player and force himself on her for reasons known only to him.

In this incident the players are equals on the pitch. There is clearly a physical battle going on between them and a lot of unacceptable things including contact and verbal abuse occur in the heat of the moment on the pitch in every game. In this specific incident there may be context, we don't know what has happened leading up to this moment between the players both in this game and maybe in previous encounters, there may have been provocation on both sides.

None of this is to say that what happened is acceptable and Mapi will rightly be punished for this, it is however hyperbolic to suggest that this is in any way on a par with what Rubiales did or that she should face similar consequences.
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I don't agree with you at all. What Mapi does is way worse - grabbing of the genitals is more serious assault compared to a kiss on the lips. There is additional transphobia and potential racism in the Mapi case.

I would rather have my boss kiss me on the lips in front of a stadium rather than some stranger grab my genitals.

Its being inconsistent when you are accepting of things happening in the heat of the moment on the pitch in the Mapi case but disregard that something unacceptable may happen in a post match celebration when emotions are high. I, however, am not excusing either and being consistent in my judgement of both and want both to be punished. I am very surprised that you think that suggesting that both are sexual assault is being hyperbolic.
 
it’s fine. trump said if you’re famous you can do it and he was made president. twice.
 
It's great to see the fight for equality is bearing fruit, judging by the number of posters already arguing for it in the thread. It may seem slightly whataboutist to some, but I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding.
 
Its one of them things that feel robotic. Its so weird. Nobody does that or talk like that. Its like an NPC speech.
 
Maybe my eyes are done or the black shorts are deceiving them, but her hand doesn’t look like it goes anywhere near her privates to me
 
Weird tone in this thread.
 
Frostie said:
Bit of a difference. Gazza and Vinnie were lad's lads, that was pure WUM behaviour from Gazza and I very, very much doubt Vinnie took any offence to it or thought it was sexual assault. Just one club clown trying to get one over on another club clown, and I mean clown in a positive sense with those two, they were the kind of guys every dressing room had from pub team to top level, the fellas that everyone laughed at yet respected.

Every class at school had one, every work place had one. I say had as those days are long gone. Someone like Dean Windass asking Tony Warner if he could feel the weight of his impressive man sausage in the dressing room wouldn't happen now, someone tertiary would take offence despite no offence being intended.

The Barca stuff definitely sounds far more sinister, especially given the person doing it is gay. Looking past the pathetic "I'm checking you're not a man" excuse, it could easily be viewed as a person that likes touching vaginas just touching vaginas and playing it off as something else - whereas Gazza wasn't doing it for sexual gratification, he just wanted to piss off Wimbledon's hard man that had been briefed to stick to him like glue all game. Just imagine a straight man doing it to all the female staff at a PL club and they'd never play football again.
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This might be the single worst newbie post I've ever seen

Congratulations
 
Sounds like some posters are angry about Rubiales punishment and now they demand those pesky women get punished too?
Talk about that case or equality is extremely weird.

What Mapi Leon has done is disgusting but has nothing to do with those other topics.
 
BD said:
Weird tone in this thread.
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Not really.

There were plenty defending Rubiales out of some confused instinct, many of whom still think he is innocent.

This is their revenge and the 'proof' of their persuasion's sanctity.
 
Lyng said:
Sounds like some posters are angry about Rubiales punishment and now they demand those pesky women get punished too?
Talk about that case or equality is extremely weird.

What Mapi Leon has done is disgusting but has nothing to do with those other topics.
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Exactly.

Is it even that disgusting? It’s just trash talk. Saying mean stuff to wind up an opposition player. Nobody involved ever takes it seriously because it isn’t meant seriously. The player in the video clearly didn’t give a shit.

The pearl clutching in this thread is very strange.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly.

Is it even that disgusting? It’s just trash talk. Saying mean stuff to wind up an opposition player. Nobody involved ever takes it seriously. The player in the video clearly didn’t give a shit.

The pearl clutching in this thread is very strange.
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In a world where transphobia is rife, especially in regards to women in sports, it is hardly just saying 'mean stuff' + in regards to the opposition player -

The statement published on the Espanyol website reads: "This is an action that we consider unacceptable and that should not go unnoticed.

"Although Caracas was unable to react at the time... later, when she came to terms with what had happened, she became aware of the seriousness of the gesture, but chose not to react angrily to avoid a disciplinary sanction and harm to the team."
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Are you all actually disgusted? I am so out of touch with the mood in this thread.
 
BD said:
Weird tone in this thread.
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The OP keeps talking about Mapi incident vs Rubiales in a 'what about Hunter Biden?' way, it's not insignificant what Mapi did but the tone seems to be agenda posting.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
The OP keeps talking about Mapi incident vs Rubiales in a 'what about Hunter Biden?' way, it's not insignificant what Mapi did but the tone seems to be agenda posting.
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The point is that womens football should clean up bad behavior to the same effect regardless if the offender is male or female - something that I very much doubt will happen because womens football is seen as an anti-men establishment by a select group of feminists who control much of it!

Should note I am a big fan of Man United women, so I love womens football in general.
 
Ole'sgunnarwin said:
Don't wanna be that person but when Vinnie Jones grabbed Paul Gascoigne's nuts (an iconic picture that is normally laughed at) is there much of a difference here?
Is it just different times/will things like this be more under the microscope in the women's game after what happened with Rubiales?
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One is racist (if true), one is not. Both bad, but different.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly.

Is it even that disgusting? It’s just trash talk. Saying mean stuff to wind up an opposition player. Nobody involved ever takes it seriously because it isn’t meant seriously. The player in the video clearly didn’t give a shit.

The pearl clutching in this thread is very strange.
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But using transphobic comments just to wind up a player doesn't make it ok. Same way the Liverpool fans were defending Suarez by claiming "he isn't actually a racist, he was just trying to wind Evra up". Still not ok.

KeanoMagicHat said:
The OP keeps talking about Mapi incident vs Rubiales in a 'what about Hunter Biden?' way, it's not insignificant what Mapi did but the tone seems to be agenda posting.
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Exactly. The incident shouldn't go unnoticed or unpunished, but it seems like a lot of people (men) just want her punished to avenge their boy Rubiales.
 
Lightbringer said:
The point is that womens football should clean up bad behavior to the same effect regardless if the offender is male or female - something that I very much doubt will happen because womens football is seen as an anti-men establishment by a select group of feminists who control much of it!

Should note I am a big fan of Man United women, so I love womens football in general.
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Big "I have a black friend" energy. Weirdo.

On-topic: hope she gets the appropriate sanction. It's very much a disgusting comment (and behavior) whether she realizes it or not.
 
BD said:
But using transphobic comments just to wind up a player doesn't make it ok. Same way the Liverpool fans were defending Suarez by claiming "he isn't actually a racist, he was just trying to wind Evra up". Still not ok.


Exactly. The incident shouldn't go unnoticed or unpunished, but it seems like a lot of people (men) just want her punished to avenge their boy Rubiales.
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Why would there be anything wrong with wanting both men and women operating within womens football to be punished the same way? I am a moderator in a womens football group of 67 000 members and I see on a regular basis a very much anti-male agenda to the point where real womens football fans that is male is leaving the group, that is why I feel its important that the same people within womens football condemn bad behavior the same regardless of the gender of the person doing it!

That would be basic fairness and not revenge for Rubiales, he would still be facing the same punishment!
 
antk said:
Big "I have a black friend" energy. Weirdo.

On-topic: hope she gets the appropriate sanction. It's very much a disgusting comment (and behavior) whether she realizes it or not.
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Not at all, if you dont want individuals within womens football to be punished the same regardless of their gender, then you are the alone weirdo!
 
Lightbringer said:
Not at all, if you dont want individuals within womens football to be punished the same regardless of their gender, then you are the alone weirdo!
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If you keep pretending the only thing that differentiates both situations is the gender of the perpetrator, you are either very dense or very deliberate. Well, probably both.
Don't you have better things to do than brigading for "men's rights" in a Russian bot cosplay on the internet?

I won't waste more time on this, but I agree with other posters that the tone here is nauseating.
 
antk said:
If you keep pretending the only thing that differentiates both situations is the gender of the perpetrator, you are either very dense or very deliberate. Well, probably both.
Don't you have better things to do than brigading for "men's rights" in a Russian bot cosplay on the internet?

I won't waste more time on this, but I agree with other posters that the tone here is nauseating.
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If you keep insisting I have said that the only thing different between the incidents are the gender, then you are either very dense or can not read, probably both.

The only thing I have said is that I want the womens football world to engage as fiercely to condemn this as they did towards Rubiales. Not because of revenge for Rubiales or because the incidents are the same, but to keep it fair to everyone involved! If you think women in womens football should be held to different standards of scrutiny then men that is entirely up to you!

The only thing nauseating here is you´re attitude placing words into my mouth that I never have spoken!
 
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BD said:
But using transphobic comments just to wind up a player doesn't make it ok. Same way the Liverpool fans were defending Suarez by claiming "he isn't actually a racist, he was just trying to wind Evra up". Still not ok.
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Sure. There’s a line. Racism is an obvious no no. Is this really transphobia though? The player getting abused isn’t trans. Comes across to me more as a converse of a bloke calling another bloke dickless or telling him to grow some balls.
 
BD said:
Exactly. The incident shouldn't go unnoticed or unpunished, but it seems like a lot of people (men) just want her punished to avenge their boy Rubiales.
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Is it really true or it's just an ever-accurate statement in the times of culture wars? Reading about this drama the main lines seem to be Barca fans vs others, who wants Leon punished are obviously Madrid fans, who defends her are obviously Barca supporters. Not sure if avenging Rubiales plays a big role here, neither does Leon skin color - before anyone brings this up.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
It’s a sign of respect in Uruguay.
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It isn't, but I'll admit I'm baffled at the way people get their knickers in a twist over this or Rubiales.

By the way, only just found out reading this thread that guy got a year in jail. Are you fecking serious? World's gone.
 
Like it or not, this is going to get a lot of scrutiny and even more noise if this is swept under the carpet.
 
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