Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!

[Niemans]

Who can explain why Bayern smashes Barcelona easily and regularly

Bayern finds it harder playing Bochum than Barca and its nothing to do with Xavi and this current team even in 2013 prime Barcelona it ended 7-0 aggregate

Is there any other example of top club perpetually owning another top club for almost a decade

In that tie Barcelona had many injured players and several of those who played did so infiltrated or half injured, such as Messi.
Not to mention that Barcelona did not have its head coach because he had cancer and shortly after he died.

Almost a decade? In the 2014-15 season Barcelona won the Champions League and eliminated Guardiola's Bayern. I remind you because you seem to have forgotten.

 

[Niemans]

There’s a reason people call that joke club UEFAlona. UEFA has heavily favored and pampered them for years.

I’m enjoying those entitled cnuts collapse. Just hope they implode on La Liga and miss CL next year.

Barcelona have been hurt much more than they have favored in the Champions League. I will make a post soon and see how you refute it.

You have simply swallowed the propaganda very pleasantly because of your hatred of Barcelona.

 

[NLunited]

I haven't followed La Liga too much but I am astounded they have won 9 matches in La Liga. The team I saw in the CL and against Madrid in the league is not even top 6 PL level.

LaLiga isn’t very strong atm. Sevilla, Atletico not at their best. The smaller teams don’t have the budgets that bottom half PL teams have.

 

[kaiser1]

In that tie Barcelona had many injured players and several of those who played did so infiltrated or half injured, such as Messi.
Not to mention that Barcelona did not have its head coach because he had cancer and shortly after he died.

Almost a decade? In the 2014-15 season Barcelona won the Champions League and eliminated Guardiola's Bayern. I remind you because you seem to have forgotten.

Who were the players missing for the 2013 game?

In the last 10yrs 9 meetings 8 wins 1 loss. Aggregate about 30-7

 

[kaiser1]

Yes

Damn you really walked into this one

Madrid haven't owned us like we have done Barcelona

Didn't our last game end 2-2 at Bernabeu

 

[sglowrider]

Agreed, It's not out of the question that sponsors asked for a UCL type guarantee or bonus depending on reaching the knockout stages, the further they go the more money Barca would receive. It's also not out of the question that the dimwits that run FC Barcelona thought of that as guaranteed money and are now in an even bigger pickle.

This will definitely effect them in a bad way, considering the amount of players, clubs, boards and banks they owe.

It's a bit like deferred payments like FDJ. Backload the payments.

It would be sweet irony if it was true.

 

[MVBDX]

Madrid haven't owned us like we have done Barcelona

Didn't our last game end 2-2 at Bernabeu

Not as one-sided as your record vs Barca, but not far off either.

Last 10 years of Madrid vs Bayern:
6 matches, 5W, 1D, 0L, 15-6 GD

 

[giorno]

Madrid haven't owned us like we have done Barcelona

Didn't our last game end 2-2 at Bernabeu

6W 1D 1L in the last 8 games, 18-9 aggregate. Yeah it's not as bad as Bayern on Barcelona, but it's still pretty stark

Though i guess it's as bad as when the pateticos lost to us in CL 4 seasons straight

 

[2ndTouch]

6W 1D 1L in the last 8 games, 18-9 aggregate. Yeah it's not as bad as Bayern on Barcelona, but it's still pretty stark

Though i guess it's as bad as when the pateticos lost to us in CL 4 seasons straight

Bar one, these have all been close games. You can't exactly say that about Barca's aganst us

 

[Ragnar123]

Who can explain why Bayern smashes Barcelona easily and regularly

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score. In contrast to Bayern it seems, who feel even more superior with every new goal against an inferior opponent. Maybe that's a Bundesliga thing, idk.
In 2013, our coach got cancer and Messi played one game, being injured. I'd like to see a team playing well if their coach is at home, you know dieing.
2015 we were superior again and when the aggregate score was 5:1 in favor for us, we stopped playing and Bayern scored 2 goals and "won" the game 3:2. It's funny how Bayern fans always count this win in their statistics. It was another example "we won, let's stop the score and save energy for the next rounds".
And after that, our decline began with the worst president the club has ever seen. The first years Messi could still carry the club to some championchips, but in the CL the disgraces were inevitable.

 

[stefan92]

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score. In contrast to Bayern it seems, who feel even more superior with every new goal against an inferior opponent. Maybe that's a Bundesliga thing, idk.
In 2013, our coach got cancer and Messi played one game, being injured. I'd like to see a team playing well if their coach is at home, you know dieing.
2015 we were superior again and when the aggregate score was 5:1 in favor for us, we stopped playing and Bayern scored 2 goals and "won" the game 3:2. It's funny how Bayern fans always count this win in their statistics. It was another example "we won, let's stop the score and save energy for the next rounds".
And after that, our decline began with the worst president the club has ever seen. The first years Messi could still carry the club to some championchips, but in the CL the disgraces were inevitable.

" you stopped playing" has to be one of the worst arguments ever made in this forum. One could argue that at least in three of the last four games Bayern looked like they weren't even trying (only the game in mubich this season had Barca as the better team and needed Bayern to fight), so what does it matter? A win is a win.

 

[Ragnar123]

" you stopped playing" has to be one of the worst arguments ever made in this forum. One could argue that at least in three of the last four games Bayern looked like they weren't even trying (only the game in mubich this season had Barca as the better team and needed Bayern to fight), so what does it matter? A win is a win.

You can see it that way. I watched those games live and as soon as it was clear that we won and advanced to the next stage, we stopped wasting energy. A 4-0 and 5:1 score is more than enough to be comfortable and start saving strenght for your next opponents. Also it has something to do with respect to the inferior opponent. Remembering the first half in 2009 against Bayern, we could've scored double digits probably if we wanted to. Bayern never dominated us in the way we did with them in that first half. No matter the score. Even the 8-2 wasn't so dominant than that game back in the days. So you can laugh all you want about Bayern dominating Barca, we have some very good memories too. And the good thing in football is, you can always try again next season. Would someone have guessed in 2008-2012, that Barca would play 2 seasons in a row in the EL? Every cycle ends sometime, a good and a bad one too.

 

[stefan92]

You can see it that way. I watched those games live and as soon as it was clear that we won and advanced to the next stage, we stopped wasting energy. A 4-0 and 5:1 score is more than enough to be comfortable and start saving strenght for your next opponents. Also it has something to do with respect to the inferior opponent. Remembering the first half in 2009 against Bayern, we could've scored double digits probably if we wanted to. Bayern never dominated us in the way we did with them in that first half. No matter the score. Even the 8-2 wasn't so dominant than that game back in the days. So you can laugh all you want about Bayern dominating Barca, we have some very good memories too. And the good thing in football is, you can always try again next season. Would someone have guessed in 2008-2012, that Barca would play 2 seasons in a row in the EL? Every cycle ends sometime, a good and a bad one too.

What we can agree on I think is probably that matches between Bayern and Barca are usually astonishingly one sided.

And I agree on the 8-2, it was an amazing and entertaining match, that's why I didn't mention it.

 

[giorno]

Bar one, these have all been close games. You can't exactly say that about Barca's aganst us

I'd argue most of the games themselves weren't actually close, but the funny thing is it didn't even matter, the end result was the same regardless

 

[SinNombre]

" you stopped playing" has to be one of the worst arguments ever made in this forum. One could argue that at least in three of the last four games Bayern looked like they weren't even trying (only the game in mubich this season had Barca as the better team and needed Bayern to fight), so what does it matter? A win is a win.

Barca is such a magnanimous club to have stopped playing

This guy is a parody of a bandwagon Barca fan

 

[FreckBarca]

Barcelona have been hurt much more than they have favored in the Champions League. I will make a post soon and see how you refute it.

You have simply swallowed the propaganda very pleasantly because of your hatred of Barcelona.

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score. In contrast to Bayern it seems, who feel even more superior with every new goal against an inferior opponent. Maybe that's a Bundesliga thing, idk.
In 2013, our coach got cancer and Messi played one game, being injured. I'd like to see a team playing well if their coach is at home, you know dieing.
2015 we were superior again and when the aggregate score was 5:1 in favor for us, we stopped playing and Bayern scored 2 goals and "won" the game 3:2. It's funny how Bayern fans always count this win in their statistics. It was another example "we won, let's stop the score and save energy for the next rounds".
And after that, our decline began with the worst president the club has ever seen. The first years Messi could still carry the club to some championchips, but in the CL the disgraces were inevitable.

I fully expect Barca to be granted a martyrdom.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Well yes, Pep's Barca embarrassed Klinsmann's Bayern (Klinsmann! ), but that was over a decade ago.

 

[hellhunter]

I see this thread keeps on delivering

 

[Niemans]

Who were the players missing for the 2013 game?

In the last 10yrs 9 meetings 8 wins 1 loss. Aggregate about 30-7

In the last 15 years 2 qualifiers were for Bayern and 2 for Barcelona. And another 2 times Barcelona was eliminated in the group stage, the problem has been more Benfica and Inter. And?

Barcelona is rebuilding and it's normal to lose to better teams. The luck for Bayern that there is that statistic is that Bayern did not face Barcelona anymore in the era of Guardiola, Ronaldinho or Luis Enrique.

I personally don't care about losing to one team or another, or having better or worse statistics with this team or another. If Barcelona loses games then it is well deserved and that they try to play better.

 

[Niemans]

What we can agree on I think is probably that matches between Bayern and Barca are usually astonishingly one sided.

And I agree on the 8-2, it was an amazing and entertaining match, that's why I didn't mention it.

These results are not surprising and well deserved. Barcelona did things wrong for several years for several reasons and that translated to the field with the team's performance.
Only with the name does not play well.

 

[Niemans]

I fully expect Barca to be granted a martyrdom.

No one is going to listen to you because you're a troll. Try to respect the people who have made this forum a great place.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score. In contrast to Bayern it seems, who feel even more superior with every new goal against an inferior opponent. Maybe that's a Bundesliga thing, idk.
In 2013, our coach got cancer and Messi played one game, being injured. I'd like to see a team playing well if their coach is at home, you know dieing.
2015 we were superior again and when the aggregate score was 5:1 in favor for us, we stopped playing and Bayern scored 2 goals and "won" the game 3:2. It's funny how Bayern fans always count this win in their statistics. It was another example "we won, let's stop the score and save energy for the next rounds".
And after that, our decline began with the worst president the club has ever seen. The first years Messi could still carry the club to some championchips, but in the CL the disgraces were inevitable.

An ‘everything goes right’ 45 minutes makes up for 20 matches (1,800 minutes worth)?

Really?

 

[hellhunter]

An ‘everything goes right’ 45 minutes makes up for 20 matches (1,800 minutes worth)?

Really?

I mean the sight of peak Messi vs Christian Lell was something else, but that whole post is hilarious

 

[do.ob]

since 10/11:

Maybe Barca should look into Rani Khedira to fix their midfield?

 

[Bosnian_fan]

Oh my god, levels of delusion here

 

[stefan92]

since 10/11:

Maybe Barca should look into Rani Khedira to fix their midfield?

They had signed Rakitic at some point, so why not?

 

[Bluelion7]

I actually have a legitimate question for Niemanns, that I should preface by saying as much as I have questioned the ethics and actions of ownership via political organization (which I just think is a bad idea for the future), I do NOT want Barca to fall into abject failure or real trouble. No one should. If that were to genuinely happen the effect on La Liga would be so bad it would almost ensure a step toward the Superleaguedom nobody really wants.

But I have been thinking about the outlandish articles after the knockout, and then hypothetical prospect that Barca gave guarantees to sponsors on UCL performance level in exchange for more money….what if they took that money up front in order to make that cutoff for signing players when they were trying to reach it? If their sponsors assert that money is owed back and was never really theirs, is there a scenario it affects games the players that otherwise wouldn’t have been signed played in? Would they overlook it and just consider a penalty? Ignore it altogether?

Second: why has Barca not figured out how to artificially create what looks like revenue sources to smuggle assets into the club like other teams? It seems they tried once and got caught in a “tax scheme”? Getting money isn’t the problem though is it? The problem is showing it as legitimate team profit. Or do I have that wrong?

 

[Rooney in Paris]

The lack of self-awareness, the bitterness, the entitlement and the delusion of the Barça fans on here is always a delight.

 

[MVBDX]

Speaking of one-sided records, the last 10 years of Madrid vs Pool:

6 matches (including 2 finals), 5W, 1D, 0L, 11-2 GS

 

[Lay]

Speaking of one-sided records, the last 10 years of Madrid vs Pool:

6 matches (including 2 finals), 5W, 1D, 0L, 11-2 GS

Madrid really made up for that 4-0 loss at Anfield whenever Torres was there. I remember being so stunned that Madrid looked so amateur. Since then though..

 

[Rodgerzzz]

I read this thread in work now & again to keep my spirits up through the day, never fails to disappoint

 

[Alonzo]

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score.

*calls someone a joke for referencing “13 year old story” 2009 CL quarterfinal on LITERALLY THE PREVIOUS PAGE*

*attempts to make own point by referencing... checks notes… the 2009 CL SEMI-final*

mate, you’re having an absolute nightmare hahahahahaha

 

[Alonzo]

In all seriousness, barca had the option to be responsible and jsut suffer a rebuild this season. But rather than be a serious club, barca preferred to gamble. It was a busted flush, and now they will have to rebuild, and it will be harder than if they just sucked it up at the start of the season. Doubtful they will learn from their mistake, but they can’t pull any more levers.
Suck eggs you losers tbh

 

[Blackwidow]

Well yes, Pep's Barca embarrassed Klinsmann's Bayern (Klinsmann! ), but that was over a decade ago.

Wolfsburg was able to do that in that year, too. I guess about every Bayern fan is glad that they did as it caused major changes after that season. Heynckes came in for the remaining matches of that season and gave the tip with van Gaal. And with van Gaal the whole trajectory changed.

So I think it was a two step story with first van Gaal and then the 3 times second thing in 2012 that started the whole run for the following years. Or even three steps with the 1:5 to Frankfurt that finally got us rid of Kovac. Seems like Bayern sometimes needs this losses to get up - but they usually come back in style.

 

[stefan92]

Wolfsburg was able to do that in that year, too. I guess about every Bayern fan is glad that they did as it caused major changes after that season. Heynckes came in for the remaining matches of that season and gave the tip with van Gaal. And with van Gaal the whole trajectory changed.

So I think it was a two step story with first van Gaal and then the 3 times second thing in 2012 that started the whole run for the following years. Or even three steps with the 1:5 to Frankfurt that finally got us rid of Kovac. Seems like Bayern sometimes needs this losses to get up - but they usually come back in style.

It was definitely that time around 2009 when Bayern finally changed their approach. They started signing absolute top players instead of just signing the best Bundesliga players. It likely wouldn't have happened without that embarassment, but it sparked Bayern outgrowing the league (although it also allowed Dortmund to rise instead of being destroyed by early transfers).

 

[Morty_]

An ‘everything goes right’ 45 minutes makes up for 20 matches (1,800 minutes worth)?

Really?

Considering Barcelona celebrated their 4-0 against us last season as a trophy, this shouldn't be surprising.

Honestly feel like they value this one big win over having a bunch of 1 or 2 goal wins in a row, which is strange, personally i'd rather have, what was it, 4 wins and 1 draw in the previous 5 matches, over 1 big win and nothing to show for in the rest.

 

[Niemans]

I actually have a legitimate question for Niemanns, that I should preface by saying as much as I have questioned the ethics and actions of ownership via political organization (which I just think is a bad idea for the future), I do NOT want Barca to fall into abject failure or real trouble. No one should. If that were to genuinely happen the effect on La Liga would be so bad it would almost ensure a step toward the Superleaguedom nobody really wants.

But I have been thinking about the outlandish articles after the knockout, and then hypothetical prospect that Barca gave guarantees to sponsors on UCL performance level in exchange for more money….what if they took that money up front in order to make that cutoff for signing players when they were trying to reach it? If their sponsors assert that money is owed back and was never really theirs, is there a scenario it affects games the players that otherwise wouldn’t have been signed played in? Would they overlook it and just consider a penalty? Ignore it altogether?

Second: why has Barca not figured out how to artificially create what looks like revenue sources to smuggle assets into the club like other teams? It seems they tried once and got caught in a “tax scheme”? Getting money isn’t the problem though is it? The problem is showing it as legitimate team profit. Or do I have that wrong?

On the first question, Barcelona now has a lot of cash in hand due to the levers, if it were what you mention true, Barcelona could return that advance money.

The money to be able to sign Barcelona and fulfill the financial fair play should not compute as debt.
And a loan counts as debt. The only solution was levers. And also Javier Tebas, in recent weeks of the market already warned that LaLiga does not allow more levers. So with the sale of BLM Barcelona could not solve anything if this happens again.

Javier Tebas is changing rules week in and week out without thinking about the planning of the clubs.

Another problem that Barcelona has is that they have a lot of cash in hand and cannot finalize contracts by paying players or reaching agreements. That would count for the next FFP and hurt the club.
Several LaLiga clubs want the settlement of player contracts not to affect the FFP.

 

[Niemans]

Considering Barcelona celebrated their 4-0 against us last season as a trophy, this shouldn't be surprising.

Honestly feel like they value this one big win over having a bunch of 1 or 2 goal wins in a row, which is strange, personally i'd rather have, what was it, 4 wins and 1 draw in the previous 5 matches, over 1 big win and nothing to show for in the rest.

Barcelona did not celebrate the victory over Real Madrid as if it were a title. That is completely false. Obviously we were happy after that match why wouldn't we be?.


Here it is not a question of preferring or valuing more a victory by the minimum, a victory by many goals. This is what every team deserves. Last year Real Madrid lost 0-4 and could have take 8, because they played a shitty game with Modric as a false nine, among other things.

And Barcelona lost 8-2 and several 3-0 the last few times against Bayern Munich because they played some very bad games. What is that to prefer or not to prefer? The teams get what they deserve.

 

[kaiser1]

For me personally, the 4:0 first half game in 2009 makes up for 20 defeats in a row against Bayern. It looked like playing against amateurs and only because there was respect for the opponent, barca decided to stop the score. In contrast to Bayern it seems, who feel even more superior with every new goal against an inferior opponent. Maybe that's a Bundesliga thing, idk.
In 2013, our coach got cancer and Messi played one game, being injured. I'd like to see a team playing well if their coach is at home, you know dieing.
2015 we were superior again and when the aggregate score was 5:1 in favor for us, we stopped playing and Bayern scored 2 goals and "won" the game 3:2. It's funny how Bayern fans always count this win in their statistics. It was another example "we won, let's stop the score and save energy for the next rounds".
And after that, our decline began with the worst president the club has ever seen. The first years Messi could still carry the club to some championchips, but in the CL the disgraces were inevitable.

For a historic club like Barcelona that have always paraded stars the inbalance is staggering. I doubt anyone here will argue that Barcelona have always had the superior talents yet the all time head to head reads something like '
Barcelona 2 wins 11 losses

https://fbref.com/en/stathead/matchup/teams/206d90db/054efa67/Barcelona-vs-Bayern-Munich-History

In 2009 the Bayern team you beat had Oddo Breno Lell Altintop in the starting 11 with Klinsmann as coach
This is the lineup in the first leg of 2013 which you lost 4-0 Alves Busquets Iniesta Pique Messi Xavi Alba Villa Alexis Pedro Valdes This is probably one of the strongest lineup of Barcelona golden era

 

[kaiser1]

I'd argue most of the games themselves weren't actually close, but the funny thing is it didn't even matter, the end result was the same regardless

I will say the 2014 0-4 in Munich was the only blowout one sided win.
First leg in Madrid was a 1-0 win for you which many Bayern player felt we could have taken something

2017 2-1 loss in Munich was 1-1 until Martinez got a red card and you won 2-1
The return leg was Bayern winning 2-1 in regulation until Vidal got a red and Madrid scored 3 in extra time including the Ronaldo blatant offsides

2018 2-1 loss in Munich, 2-2 draw in Madrid