Is it really?
Maybe you don't feel that way, fair play, but i've seen lots of Barcelona-fans talking about that game with big words for months after, all the way up until the recent game.
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Is it really?
Maybe you don't feel that way, fair play, but i've seen lots of Barcelona-fans talking about that game with big words for months after, all the way up until the recent game.
For the first half of the decade, Liverpool does not qualify to be called a top club
Didn't Bremen smash us 5-2 that season as well?
After failing to qualify for the top 3 and CL in 2007, we went to buy Klose, Toni and Ribery, Added Robben a season later
From a Bayern-fans point of view, i understand you kinda feel cheated in 16/17, but its worth noting that Vidal should have been sent of already in the first half, and you too had an offside goal inside the normal 90s.
For what its worth, we created more clear chances though, and i think we were the better side overall.
We really got away with it in 17/18 though, i recall you playing us off the park in the 2-2 return leg, missing big chances and there was a penalty you didn't recieve.
Overall, yeah, its not been a lot between us, even though we come out on top in the last couple of times.
I'll never forget that the 2nd goal from Grafite in that game.
The 00s seemed like a fun decade in the Bundesliga, with 5 different clubs winning the title and 2 more coming agonisingly close.
Barcelona are irrelevant now and under an ever increasing debt burden which will cripple them sooner or later. I hope they get further and further into debt until they have no choice but to sell the stadium to pay De Jong and the remaining players on 50m a year 
. I totally think that they were looked after and protected during Operation Fuentes and despise the whole club.
. I totally think that they were looked after and protected during Operation Fuentes and despise the whole club.True, the process had already started, it just did not yet yield results. To be back on topic: this example shows, that you need patience for a rebuild, you can't force it by using levers.
Doesn't change much, basically everything stays the same.
They were only looked after because most of their key players were starters for the WC and Euros winning Spain teams. If their star men had been from anywhere else, the book would have been thrown at them.Barcelona are irrelevant now and under an ever increasing debt burden which will cripple them sooner or later. I hope they get further and further into debt until they have no choice but to sell the stadium to pay De Jong and the remaining players on 50m a year
They were protected for the sake of the Spanish national team, not because they were Barca.
The big clubs have many fans, and as a consequence a diversity of opinions.
After such a match many fans will say opinions with the adrenaline to burst.
That there will be people who take it as a title? Surely. But that is a minority, not the feeling of the majority of fans.
Barcelona are irrelevant now and under an ever increasing debt burden which will cripple them sooner or later. I hope they get further and further into debt until they have no choice but to sell the stadium to pay De Jong and the remaining players on 50m a year
Barcelona has reduced debt last year, and this year too. We will see without levers how the economic issue goes.
He did, and Dzeko and him were both on fire that season, finishing as the two highest goal scorers in the league with more than 50 between them.
I only started to follow the Bundesliga more regularly from the 2007/2008 season onwards.
Regarding Barcelona, I'm also part of the group of people who went from admiring them to thinking that they are an absolute disgrace.
Really? Because I remember Benckenbauer mentioning you got lucky you only lost 1-0. And you did. It was a massacre. You created 1 chance the whole game and if we were as clinical as the second leg it would have been a slaughter. The second leg was actually closer
Eeeh. Games last 90 minutes and red cards are part of the game. Again, you got extremely lucky and needed a monster game by Neuer in the first leg to keep you alive. Second leg, again the second half wasn't close, you had us knocked out on our feet, then after the red extra time again wasn't close. But sure, all in all, that was a close game i guess
And again neither game was close. You still lost though
that will never stop being funnyThat seems like a fair solution. Everyone is seeing this as a Barca issue, but there seems to be a general financial reset or reconciliation that La Liga needs as a whole with the possible exception of Real.
I'm afraid that's not true. There's a video with the team celebrations with the official YouTube page of the club. Who the hell does that for one football game?
Celebrating a victory against Real Madrid in an important match, but from there to consider it as a title there is an abyss.
I also think I remember that we were talking about the fans, not the players.
The FFP of the league was necessary, since 2012, when it was launched, the economy of the clubs improved a lot until almost all were economically healthy.
The problem is that this FFP was not adapted for an event such as a pandemic. And what it did was stifle the clubs economically. They saw the need to sell good players and not be able to sign anything, with the consequent loss of quality of LaLiga.
In the coming years the teams will recover the level because the worst is over and they are doing well economically considering the whole issue of the pandemic.
They tried to solve their debt problems by remortgaging their house to buy a load of lottery tickets. The first batch have been write offs so they best hope there's a winner in there somewhere.
I think it is time for a new thread title, since they are no longer back from but back to the brink.
Failed club. Spanish 1860.
Failed club. Spanish 1860.
Come on, it's not THAT bad (not yet at least...)
People seem to forget that the season is still a long way to go. There are still 4 titles barcelona can win. Even with only LaLiga the season would be considered a success. Winning the CL group and potentionally going out in the round of 16 or quaterfinals and not winning anything this season would be much worse for example. It's way too early to judge the season. Let's wait and see how the new year after the world cup will start. The long break, world cup fatigueness and injuries could change a lot. For better or worse.
I think I'd better lever right now
Before I fall any deeper
I think I'd better lever right now
Feelin' weaker and weaker
Somebody better show me how
Before I fall any deeper
I think I'd better lever right now
Before I fall any deeper
I think I'd better lever right now
Feelin' weaker and weaker
Somebody better show me how
Before I fall any deeper
I think I'd better lever right now
This is all true and I agree that they could win the league if Real stupidly stumbles too often, they don't seem to be the most stable league team in recent years.
However Xavi's record in important games is so bad that I think it's impossible for Barca to win any cup this season, except he shows a very steep learning curve
They've actually been shockingly stable in the last 3 seasons: 87, 84, 86 points.
They'll need to do better than that this year, I think.
You don't have to stay only with the statistics, you have to see the context.
The team last year when he arrived was quite low in quality, many injuries and very young players.
The processes take time, and a practically new one started this summer because there are many new players.
It is not objective to ask last year's team to beat Bayern.
There were good results in important matches against good teams, Barcelona's problem is regularity and mentality, and many individual failures that cost points.
Barcelona does succeed in signing a good substitute for Busquets and an RB will have a very complete team.
Only one win in seven CL matches and a lost Clasico don't look good to me. But I didn't look much deeper into that, so I won't deny that there could have been other important matches which were good.
Real Madrid 0 - 4
Atlético de Madrid 4-2
Napoles 2-4
Villarreal 1-3
And several good games against good teams like Real Sociedad, Betis, Bilbao etc.
Last year's Champions League matches were with a team with many injuries and mediocre.
That's why I talk about the context.
The important thing is the evolution of the team and too soon to draw conclusions.
Xavi didn't start a new process though, and that's the problem. Everybody would have been far more lenient if he decided to totally change the idendity of this failing team. His obsession with Busquets prevented Barcelona from starting a brand new cycle. He dismissed Kessie and Nico was loaned so there's still room for his good old pal. It forced Pedri or Gavi on the wing recently, which is ridiculous.
Xavi killed this year's chance to build something brand new and to find a new style. When you buy a 34 years old Lewandowski, it's a short term plan that requires drastic changes for the next 2 years, and it just didn't happen.
Even Barça fans are totally blinded by their history, wishing for a "replacement for Busquets" when you need a whole new philosophy in the midfield.
since 10/11:
Maybe Barca should look into Rani Khedira to fix their midfield?
It seems like they looked into my analysis:
I'm basically a professional scout at this point.
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When you change so many players the process takes time to evolve, the players must learn what the coach wants and his automatisms.
Barcelona signs Kounde (23), Kessie (25), Christensen (25), Raphinha (25), P. Torre (19), F. Torres (22), Lewandowski (34).
Is that a short-term plan? There are market opportunities and you have to know how to take advantage.
Obviously all coaches make mistakes, and some signings will not perform. That happens everywhere.
When you talk about Barcelona fans, who do you mean? To those you read where? To know who these blind fans are.
This post is delusional. Xavi didn't make "mistakes", he litteraly sacrified (at least) half of season and a CL run of this transformation process so he can keep a couple of friends on the pitch. And he knew very well what he was doing since he doubled down with Busquets after being eliminated from the CL and loosing against Real by moving Pedri (who's your best player this season with Lewa) to the left wing so his pal can be warm and cosy in the midfield. It's not "mistakes", it's insanity. How are players supposed to learn "automatisms" when you move around your midfield every game and have your plays revolve around a washed out 34 years old Busquets? Some will try to say "it's only one player, it can't make that big a difference!". It does, it forces every player around him to play differently because they have to cover for him on defense and are asked to play at a different position by the coach.
Regarding the signings, none of the young players you mention are consistant starters at the moment (bar Kounde but he was injured) So basically only Lewandowski works so far and he's 34. Having a boatload of meh young players that you got because they were cheap isn't a plan. Well i stand corrected, Torres wasn't cheap (but he's terrible).
Another one:
Union (that is not qualified for the final stage but has good chances for) ask if their is still a free place there - Streich answers - yes.
Union (that is not qualified for the final stage but has good chances for) ask if their is still a free place there - Streich answers - yes.
First of all, you didn't answer me when you were talking about the Barcelona fans, where did your source of information come from?.
Xavi did not sacrifice anything. Busquets has a contract and Barcelona had little money to sign in addition to a very tough financial fair play.
Nico wanted to leave to have minutes. Xavi was counting on Pjanic for the position of Busquets and on the last day this player asked to leave Barcelona and the club did not have time to look for anything.
Busquets in the Spanish team performs quite well because the team plays together, that doesn't always happen at Barcelona. And when there are a lot of spaces, it's like playing with one less player.
"Having a boatload of meh young players that you got because they were cheap isn't a plan"
Meh young players? Who?
Barcelona signed the players they could because, as I said before, they had a very tough fairplay.
Barcelona’s problem is lack of adaptability. Xavi’s too dogmatic and for him, possession is more important than scoring.
You guys fired Koeman for less. Xavi is your own version of Ole, except with much more arrogance.
Are you seriously backing a manager who only knows one way of playing football, is extremely stubborn, loses big games, and when he loses, comes with excuses such as the grass’ length?
If you persist with Mr. excuses, you will achieve nothing. At this rate you will have to sell the Spotify by 2025 to pay players and employees.
One win in seven CL matches. A humiliation in “El Clasico”. Only Lewandowski performing. Barcelona is supposed to be a big club, no the joke they currently are.
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Lewandowski and Pedri are the team. The wingers occasionally do something, as does Gavi, but really - if either Lewy or Pedri gets injured for a prolonged period that team is screwed
To anyone who might think you are joking I would refer to Xavi's words after having lost 7-0 over both legs against Bayern in the semifinals of UCL 2012-2013. He played both games then.
«El Bayern no pudo dominarnos; el balón fue nuestro»
«Si miramos solo el resultado nos quedamos en lo superficial. Hay que volver a ver los partidos, revisarlos, yo lo he hecho»
Translation:
«Bayern could not dominate us; the ball possession was ours»
«If we look only at the result, we stay on a superficial level. You have to watch the games again, review them, I have done it»
At least Xavi has figured out the league, unfortunately for us, its literally impossible for them to even concede goals.