Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!

He probably means he admired the institution. Doesn't mean he was a hardcore Barca fan.

You can be a United fan but still look up to clubs like Real and Bayern.

Barca used to be likeable and people used to idealize their way of playing. Now Barca is in the news for all the wrong reasons.
This sums it up for me. I always had a deep, deep respect for Bayern as a club. I didn’t choose them to support though because at the time I was deciding it was hard to find ways to even see them play.

I enjoy the PL more anyway, but it is certainly possible to have (and therefore lose) respect for teams even if you aren’t a huge fan
 
This sums it up for me. I always had a deep, deep respect for Bayern as a club. I didn’t choose them to support though because at the time I was deciding it was hard to find ways to even see them play.

I enjoy the PL more anyway, but it is certainly possible to have (and therefore lose) respect for teams even if you aren’t a huge fan
Don't, they're twats. Annoyingly well run twats, but still
 
How come everyone is saying europa for Barca? Am I missing something? Inter need points at bayern dont they which isn't easy?

Inter are ahead by 6 points now with 1 more match to play, but even if Barca had won against Bayern yesterday, Inter won their head to head matchup with Barca by winning one and drawing the other, which means Barca could only finish ahead of them with more points.
 
We're the gold standard for thoroughly likeable clubs you wanted to say, I reckon
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Would love to draw them and knock them out of the Europa! I'm 100% confident we'd beat them.
Somehow I have a feeling everyone could throw them out of the EL now...

I don't think they are up for the task, but there is still some time so that might change.
 
Yeah no. As beautiful as it would be, that's pretty wild and certainly not going to happen. On what basis would sponsors even be allowed to 'pull funding'?
While it probably isn’t true, and DOES sound crazy … I could easily see a situation in which Barcelona was crazy enough to have a “success guarantee” written into their sponsorship deals in exchange for money closer to what they were used to getting in the past.

That could, in theory, trigger them to pull out of agreements, but probably not permanently or to have them booted from La Liga. More likely to re-negotiate the financial terms of their backing.

I am in no way saying that’s what happened, but I could see Barca doing something like that. 3 different, good journalists that cover Barca for ESPN and others say they were told Barca had “budgeted the year for reaching the Quarterfinals at minimum”

Barca fans have been quick to hit back with that seeming unimportant because it’s only like 35 mil, and some could be made up in Europa. And they were right; on the surface the impact of budgeting for a CL round seems not that big a deal.

BUT, if their sponsorship money levels were tied to the same performance …. Then those “budgeted” comments would suddenly make much more sense.
 
While it probably isn’t true, and DOES sound crazy … I could easily see a situation in which Barcelona was crazy enough to have a “success guarantee” written into their sponsorship deals in exchange for money closer to what they were used to getting in the past.

That could, in theory, trigger them to pull out of agreements, but probably not permanently or to have them booted from La Liga. More likely to re-negotiate the financial terms of their backing.

I am in no way saying that’s what happened, but I could see Barca doing something like that. 3 different, good journalists that cover Barca for ESPN and others say they were told Barca had “budgeted the year for reaching the Quarterfinals at minimum”

Barca fans have been quick to hit back with that seeming unimportant because it’s only like 35 mil, and some could be made up in Europa. And they were right; on the surface the impact of budgeting for a CL round seems not that big a deal.

BUT, if their sponsorship money levels were tied to the same performance …. Then those “budgeted” comments would suddenly make much more sense.
Agreed, It's not out of the question that sponsors asked for a UCL type guarantee or bonus depending on reaching the knockout stages, the further they go the more money Barca would receive. It's also not out of the question that the dimwits that run FC Barcelona thought of that as guaranteed money and are now in an even bigger pickle.

This will definitely effect them in a bad way, considering the amount of players, clubs, boards and banks they owe.
 
There is a reason people have called you guys uefalona for many years. Uefa have been busy sucking up to you for years. Most barca fans arent catalans and dont give a feck about the flag.
Reality is you are a extremely deluded and fickle bunch and your club is a shadow of its former self. Barca used to be a remarkable club. Now its a joke.

Who talks about most fans? The topic was chants in the stadium and there, the majority are catalans. You can hear them also in every game chanting for independence in minute 17. And uefalona is just a social media narrative because of the 2009 chelsea game. Every team has/had such games without VAR. I think the ones who still bring up a 13 year old story are a joke, because they don't want to discuss, but simply hate. My ignore list just got a bit longer.
 
Barca and Juventus both out of europes Premier competition yet both think they have a divine right to never be excluded from a European Super League.
eh, that was the whole point of the effort (that + organizing shit all on their own)
 
Who talks about most fans? The topic was chants in the stadium and there, the majority are catalans. You can hear them also in every game chanting for independence in minute 17. And uefalona is just a social media narrative because of the 2009 chelsea game.

Its based on numerous decisions.
 
Will the torture never ends? Bellerin, Alonso, Busquets etc starting a CL game, the horror.
 
Yea, I don't get it either. Even though Inter are 6 points ahead of Barcelona at the moment with a better head-to-head record, people aren't taking into consideration that Barca would get 7 points for beating Plzen.

Everyone's also forgetting about something called the swim suit competition!
 
Will the torture never ends? Bellerin, Alonso, Busquets etc starting a CL game, the horror.

Yeah it is. Without Araujo and Christensen together with Kounde, our defense looks pathetic. Busquets is also completely useless if we don't have the ball, because he is too slow to press.
All captains (Pique, Roberto, Busquets and Alba) need to leave the club. They missed the window to leave gracefully like Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta did. Legends or not, Barca cannot employ them anymore. Especially with their salary. Pique, Busquets and Roberto will be gone in the summer. Alba could sit out his contract another year, if he wants. It was shameful, that Pedri had to go infront of the press instead of them. It was the same against Inter with Balde.
Alonso and Bellerin only have a contract until summer as well. Alonso can stay as a left back backup, but he can't start as a centre back anymore. Bellerin needs to leave, he is simply not good enough.
The most important thing is, that the club buys a right back as soon as possible. That's our weakest link.
 
Poor Barcelona fans. The horror of being only the second best team in your country and just outside of the top ten best club teams in the world. The shame must be unbearable.
 
Yea, I don't get it either. Even though Inter are 6 points ahead of Barcelona at the moment with a better head-to-head record, people aren't taking into consideration that Barca would get 7 points for beating Plzen.

Hilarious. I guess I was looking at the un updated table
 
Why did they really risk so much of their futures revenues to be made look foolish, such a dumb dumb move.

Just lie down for a season or two, develop your youth and then build a team to challenge when you're ready, it's not like their in danger of not qualifying.
 
A lot of people blamed Messi for Barcelona issues, now makes you respect him more, literally made them a CL team, without him they're Europa level :lol:

All that money they were paying him makes sense now, man carried this garbage.
 
A lot of people blamed Messi for Barcelona issues, now makes you respect him more, literally made them a CL team, without him they're Europa level :lol:

All that money they were paying him makes sense now, man carried this garbage.
To be fair they had a better team back then.
 
A lot of people blamed Messi for Barcelona issues, now makes you respect him more, literally made them a CL team, without him they're Europa level :lol:

All that money they were paying him makes sense now, man carried this garbage.
Their team was a lot better two years ago than the current mess.

The current team is worse or equal on every position except the striker position
 
To be fair they had a better team back then.

Their team was a lot better two years ago than the current mess.

The current team is worse or equal on every position except the striker position

Did they?

In 2019 in defense they had Roberto/Pique/Lenglet/Alba/Umtiti/Vermaelen - other then Alba/Pique/Roberto who are still there, but they added more quality and depth with Kounde/Bellerin/Garcia/Alonso/Christensen. Alba is the only player that declined since then Pique/Roberto are the same to me.

In midfield was Busquets/Rakitic/Vidal/Arthur/Coutinho compared to now Busquets/de Jong/Pedri/Gavi/Kessie. Both Vidal and Rakitic were past there primes. Their midfield now is much better.

In attack, Saurez/Messi/Malcom/Dembele compared to now Fati/Dembele/Lewa/Depay/Raphina/Torres more depth, Lewa now is better then Suarez was in 2019.

This current team has more option in terms of talent and qaulity then 2019.
 
Did they?

In 2019 in defense they had Roberto/Pique/Lenglet/Alba/Umtiti/Vermaelen - other then Alba/Pique/Roberto who are still there, but they added more quality and depth with Kounde/Bellerin/Garcia/Alonso/Christensen. Alba is the only player that declined since then Pique/Roberto are the same to me.

In midfield was Busquets/Rakitic/Vidal/Arthur/Coutinho compared to now Busquets/de Jong/Pedri/Gavi/Kessie. Both Vidal and Rakitic were past there primes. Their midfield now is much better.

In attack, Saurez/Messi/Malcom/Dembele compared to now Fati/Dembele/Lewa/Depay/Raphina/Torres more depth, Lewa now is better then Suarez was in 2019.

This current team has more option in terms of talent and qaulity then 2019.
Vets got older, which is a big factor, while newcomers have yet to prove themselves.
 
@Niemans is. I mean he quotes Laporta and friends so sounds crazy at times but he doesn't seem to buy everything they say

After all the barbarities he did in his first stage at the club, nobody with a minimum of sense should have voted for him. In fact, in his first stage the members threw him out after the titles he won the 2 years he was with Guardiola. And well deserved to be kicked out.

In this second stage we will see how it progresses, there are things that I like (Mateu Alemany is god) and quite a few that do not.
Time will tell how the project progresses.
 
Yeah it is. Without Araujo and Christensen together with Kounde, our defense looks pathetic. Busquets is also completely useless if we don't have the ball, because he is too slow to press.
All captains (Pique, Roberto, Busquets and Alba) need to leave the club. They missed the window to leave gracefully like Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta did. Legends or not, Barca cannot employ them anymore. Especially with their salary. Pique, Busquets and Roberto will be gone in the summer. Alba could sit out his contract another year, if he wants. It was shameful, that Pedri had to go infront of the press instead of them. It was the same against Inter with Balde.
Alonso and Bellerin only have a contract until summer as well. Alonso can stay as a left back backup, but he can't start as a centre back anymore. Bellerin needs to leave, he is simply not good enough.
The most important thing is, that the club buys a right back as soon as possible. That's our weakest link.

Restructuring is on track, but you can't do everything in a single year. We have great news in Balde, I had high hopes for him and with only 19 years just turned he is progressing very well.
Barcelona needs pivot and RB and the squad will be well balanced.
Obviously we will have to make interesting signings with a low cost and develop talents such as P. Torre and Chadi Riad.
 
Barca fans are haunted by ghosts of past greatness, someone had to do something about it.

:lol:

Fairs and well done!

While it probably isn’t true, and DOES sound crazy … I could easily see a situation in which Barcelona was crazy enough to have a “success guarantee” written into their sponsorship deals in exchange for money closer to what they were used to getting in the past.

That could, in theory, trigger them to pull out of agreements, but probably not permanently or to have them booted from La Liga. More likely to re-negotiate the financial terms of their backing.

I am in no way saying that’s what happened, but I could see Barca doing something like that. 3 different, good journalists that cover Barca for ESPN and others say they were told Barca had “budgeted the year for reaching the Quarterfinals at minimum”

Barca fans have been quick to hit back with that seeming unimportant because it’s only like 35 mil, and some could be made up in Europa. And they were right; on the surface the impact of budgeting for a CL round seems not that big a deal.

BUT, if their sponsorship money levels were tied to the same performance …. Then those “budgeted” comments would suddenly make much more sense.

I think it is almost certain Barca have limits on their sponsorships as to what they recieve being dependent on, on the field success. Switching this around, the sponsors would be insane to promise Barca top wack if they don't perform.

The question is whether Barca signed contracts promising a certain level of performance, every year, or over multiple years'. For instance, it is widely known Utd have a agreement with Addidas which allows them to reduce payments with two years' excluded for the CL.

Barca being in the position they were this Summer means it is likely they got worse terms than a more stable club like Utd, which would also explain why they were budgeting for the QF.

Just as a caveat, not saying that Barca are going to have all their sponsors walk put on them, rather it seems very plausible that the deals they struck would very much be dependent on year to year performance e.g. 5-30% withheld if they don't hit x, y or Z criteria.

Agreed, It's not out of the question that sponsors asked for a UCL type guarantee or bonus depending on reaching the knockout stages, the further they go the more money Barca would receive. It's also not out of the question that the dimwits that run FC Barcelona thought of that as guaranteed money and are now in an even bigger pickle.

This will definitely effect them in a bad way, considering the amount of players, clubs, boards and banks they owe.

This is the thing. Barca have proven themselves incapable of striking deals that make financial sense time and again. It is very plausible they agreed to something crazy I.e. minimum of QF in the CL every season to obtain the full amount of their contracts.

Thing is we will discover if this prediction is true as they have to announce their turnover. Looking forward to that.

Poor Barcelona fans. The horror of being only the second best team in your country and just outside of the top ten best club teams in the world. The shame must be unbearable.

It is when you have the debt they do. Such a drop is essentially both banter material and ruinous.

Why did they really risk so much of their futures revenues to be made look foolish, such a dumb dumb move.

Just lie down for a season or two, develop your youth and then build a team to challenge when you're ready, it's not like their in danger of not qualifying.

Tbf, I think the decision did have some logic to it, if you sign up to the theory that I do that Barca are essentially full blown broke/cannot afford their liabilities.

I made this analogy before, but I will do it again.

Barca are essentially a arrogant degenerate gambler who has lived a life in a hyper luxurious bubble. By doing this, they have taken risks left, right and centre not fully comprehending what all of it means; since they presume such a lifestyle if obtainable to all and that, even if it isn't, enough people like them and they have enough buddies with 'clout' to bail them out.

However, at some point (I say the first few months of Laporta's second term) reality set in and they realised not many people did like them when they weren't flashing money/paying them to be their friends and their buddies with 'clout' additionally either;

a) also didn't like them that much
b) don't have the ability to bail them
c) weren't going to risk their own position to help them.

At that point they had an option to either become humble and accept their new position or cave to their degenerate/arrogant side and think 'well, if I cannot live this life, then life isn't worth living' and consequently liquidated their remaining assets and reputation for one last throw of the dice to gey it all back.

They subsequently chose the latter.

Of course, they may get lucky and their gamble comes off, however if it doesn't (and I suspect not being in the latter stages of the CL was a part of the predicted upside) then the consequences will be calamitous.

As I said, when I first made that anaology, it will be 3-5 years' before we get a final answer. However, the biggest problem for them, isn't actually this KO. It is the ruling of the ECJ. If they, as predicted, rule against the Super League and then UEFA actually follow through with their multiple year European ban, then it will surely be 'goodnight, Vienna' for them with their debts.
 
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Who can explain why Bayern smashes Barcelona easily and regularly

Bayern finds it harder playing Bochum than Barca and its nothing to do with Xavi and this current team even in 2013 prime Barcelona it ended 7-0 aggregate

Is there any other example of top club perpetually owning another top club for almost a decade
 
Who can explain why Bayern smashes Barcelona easily and regularly

Bayern finds it harder playing Bochum than Barca and its nothing to do with Xavi and this current team even in 2013 prime Barcelona it ended 7-0 aggregate

Is there any other example of top club perpetually owning another top club for almost a decade
Yes :D

Damn you really walked into this one
 
Just another example how clueless most people are. The hatred between culers and uefa has it's history since uefa banned the Estelada flag. Catalans are proud people. They love their signs and symbols. Since Uefa banned their flag as a political symbol and started to fine the club for this, the hatred started and since then, the Camp Nou whistles the cl anthem every time.
With that background, any controversial decision against barca in an uefa competition is met with such chants and whistles. It has nothing to do with the club's board asking uefa for the cl tv money in advance.
There’s a reason people call that joke club UEFAlona. UEFA has heavily favored and pampered them for years.

I’m enjoying those entitled cnuts collapse. Just hope they implode on La Liga and miss CL next year.