Which isn't an issue for Barcelona and also isn't a new thing in Football. And one of them will win the CL the same way many different type of clubs won and will win the CL.
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Which isn't an issue for Barcelona and also isn't a new thing in Football. And one of them will win the CL the same way many different type of clubs won and will win the CL.
The investor bubble blew a long time ago. First with the Spanish government and Madrid, then with the sugar daddies of the Italian clubs like Berlusconi. The Spanish and Italian clus were breaking transfer fees left and right way before the PL. I'm not that old to have watched the leagues back then but even I know about it.
There isn't even a beginning of thruth in it. The bubble that you are referring to isn't an investor bubble, it's a commercial and advertisement bubble which is largely linked to broadcasting and the increase of visibility. It has nothing to do with Barcelona being sponsored by Drake and Barcelona are one of the main beneficiaries from that source of revenue.
Now when it comes to investors and sugar daddies that source of revenue was big and very big in the 80s-90s especially in Serie A but somehow Barcelona's shirts weren't affected.
Just hold on we're going home to play when they get knocked out the champions league
We started from the bottom.. and we're still there.
re barca/drake
As with everything these guys do lately, for the other party (in this case, Drake via Spotify) this is unbelievable (he has said so on his Instagram). And for Barcelona, it is a new level of humiliation. I cringed so hard my toes cramped.
As with everything these guys do lately, for the other party (in this case, Drake via Spotify) this is unbelievable (he has said so on his Instagram). And for Barcelona, it is a new level of humiliation. I cringed so hard my toes cramped.
Your team is a humiliation and your refusal to accept it makes it so much funnier.
I’m a Drake fan and the thought of the OVO owl printed on a United shirt send shivers down my spine. Absolutely clown club long may it last. I look forward to playing barcelona with a lady Gaga mother monster silhouette print in the Europa league. Or maybe billy eilish eye prints on each sleeve. The possibilities are endless!
That has been going on for YEARS. You might remember, as an example,that AC Milan were funded by Berlusconi since the 80's so it cant really be blamed for Barca's tin pot running of a once great club in recent years
Here is an example for you of a sucessful team with massive outside investment becoming one of the best teams in Europe, you may have heard of it...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_UEFA_Champions_League_Final
That outside investment at other clubs is ruining Barcelona's ability to be competitive at the highest level malarky is absolute nonsense. And its a bit rich considering Barca has 3 times the average home attendance over three quarters of their domestic league to complain about the cash advantages other clubs have is unfair to Barca
https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/spanish-la-liga/attendances
I like the idea that a La Liga Club supporter thinks the CL is Tin Pot
CMM mentioned Liverpool not winning the league in England for 33 years. Well during that time 7 different English clubs have won the league between Liverpools title wins, Arsenal, Leeds, Man United, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Man City, and Leicester City
Only 9 different clubs have won La Liga since the league started nealry 100 years ago
To me the CL is an overrated tournament (an insane amount of media hype) run by a corrupt (UEFA) organization, with an outdated tournament format where more often than not, contrary to popular belief, not the actual best team wins. Which is the overall nature and so-called "charm" of cup competitions.
I believe that a Super League would be a far superior product. Much like how professional leagues are run in the US or the basketball EuroLeague in Europe. Hopefully it eventually happens. I would guess that that it is just a question of when and not if.
This personal opinion has nothing to do with Barça's struggles in the past few years in the CL which is nothing compared to the struggles of a horde of other traditional European top clubs/historical top clubs.
For those that have forgot it, Barça have won 4 CL titles in the past 16 years. That is 1 every 4 years on average. Only RM have been better in this time period. I think that Barça can afford a few years (4-5) of struggles in Europe. It is no longer than 3 years ago, that the club was a stone throw away from reaching the CL final and likely winning it. To me as a fan, La Liga is far more important than the CL Always has been and always will be.
As for the "tinpot" comment it was obviously trolling combined with my dislike of UEFA and the tournament format. Quite evident unless you are deliberately thick.
Anyway I still hope and expect for the Super League (or another tournament) to replace the monopoly of UEFA, even more so with the even more absurd upcoming new CL format.
As for the rest of my post, it was completely based on factual numbers and in relation to the "doom and gloom" (read trolling) in this thread predicting the imminent demise of Barça for the 1000 billionth time in the past 25 + years, if that can do it. This demise won't happen but that is besides the point.
Let me repost a part of my post and you and other "geniuses" should point out which factual statements are wrong and what part of the post is "outrageous".
Which makes the success of Barça and RM even more impressive. No sugar daddies at any point in history.
Anyway don't be deliberately stupid. You are comparing Berlusconi's investments (back in the day) with state-owned sportswashing clubs (Man City and PSG) that have posted BILLIONS of Euros into clubs that were nowhere to be seen (at that level) prior to said investments. Or Russian oligarch billionaires such as Abramovich (Chelsea). Not to mention the absurd monotony of top football as a consequence, the inflation and absurd numbers in the football industry. Never has the difference between the top clubs (most wealthy European clubs) and the rest been so big. It has reached a point where practically nobody outside of the fans of Ligue 1, the Bundesliga, PSG and Bayern, care about the French and German football leagues.
The embarrassment only exists in your own obsessive mind. This is a good PR stunt (free money for the club) and very much in touch with where the football industry is heading towards. And it speaks volume of the media pull that even a struggling Barça has, that one of the world's most successful artists (a supposed Barça fan too), is willing to collaborate in such an endeavor. Most clubs in the world would give their right hand for such a PR stunt. Anyway this is just for the El Clásico from what I understand and his logo fits surprisingly well with the rest of the shirt. Nothing embarrassing about it whatsoever.
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Barca really are a pathetic club. Mes que un club.
I watched nearly ever single match every week of that Barcelona side. No, they were not flawless although they reached a higher peak in certain matches due to the genius of Messi mainly.
City not only have more of the ball they create more opportunities and defend better on the whole. In the big games they don’t have a player like Messi but again the machine is built stronger and with Haaland that could be their bartering ram against opposition who sit back.
They aren’t as pleasing on the eye but they are more effective in most areas of the pitch. Guardiola has improved obviously his tactics and now using more mobile / fitter players it makes sense in the modern day this City side would probably best Barcelona.
United in 2008 as much as it pains me to say have been behind a few of Guardiolas title winning sides in recent years. The 100 points and this season I believe would have beaten us in 2008 like Barcelona did. Tactically they are just better.
Haaland, De Bruyne, Walker, Cancelo, Foden (I like Carrick so he and Rodri are give or take) all get into our best United side in 2008. This City bench is just too strong as a bonus their squad is stronger for sure overall.
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What the hell are you talking about, theres nothing comparable between US pro leagues, EuroLeague and the superleague, and the EuroLeague format (national league + euroleague) only works because it's basketball and teams can play every 3 days.
On top of that, the superleague format is also supposed to be different with clubs playing in their national leagues at the same time so again and 2 different groups in the qualifying stages (so no full championship).
You don't even seem to know what the superleague project is. Worst part being, your praising this project when basically nobody really knows what it is really going to be (but the sure thing is, it won't be "much like how pro leagues are run in the US" because it's impossible with national championships on the side).
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That could well be the case in a one off game. Over a full season in a league title race you can imagine City been more consistent though. Would still be close!
The fact we are debating this fact says just how great this City team is. Barcelona are regarded as reaching maybe the highest standard ever in certain games mainly against Madrid 5-0 and especially the 6-2.
City have yet to prove that but I do think they are overall a better side most games.
He is a self-proclaimed Barça fan (in his own words). I personally don't care if he is a Man Utd fan or a fan of 100 other clubs at the same time.
Anyway, so you are a Man Utd fan? You have not won a single league title in 10 years, you have not even won a single trophy for 5 seasons in a row (could very likely be 6 seasons by the end of this season), you last won a CL 15 years ago, your H2H record against Barça is very bad (losing 2 CL finals too), your club has been even worse run than Bartomeu's Barça (with nothing to show for it unlike Bartomeu's Barça) etc., yet here you are trolling Barça in this thread like a 15 year old troll? Do you have any amount of situational awareness in you?
Oh, I forgot barely beating some Cypriot farmers 2 games in a row.
With all due respect Pep's best Man City teams would equal the 4th or 5th best Barça teams. I can't think of anyone other than KDB or Haaland (who is yet to play a full season for Man City) who would even start for those Barça teams. Nowhere close in terms of accomplishments (trophies won, dominance etc.) either. Those best Barça teams were competing against some of the best RM teams in history. Man City's sole competitor for almost the entire Pep stint at Man City (6 + seasons by now) domestically has been Klopp's Liverpool team who barely qualified against an above average 2018-19 Barça team with Valverde at the helm. Pep's best Man City teams might be the most dominant EPL teams in history but other than that, they have very little to show for it. The idea that they are superior to the best Barça teams (widely recognized as the best or at least among the very best football club teams in history) is quite a claim.
You don't seem to understand what I am writing. The Super League is about removing a corrupt and useless organization (UEFA) from the equation and from stealing half of the money (or at least a huge amount) for solely "hosting" the tournament and further professionalizing football. And whatever you can say, the NBA and NFL (American sports leagues) are far more professionally run than European football. Also I don't see the charm of Plzen playing against Barça and Bayern and losing by 5 or 4 goals 9 out of 10 times. The idea that some European top clubs have only played each other 5 times or less in 70 years of European football is a crime. I as a football enthusiast want to see the best teams play each other in a league format. I want to see the best product. Not playing (for most of the time) against teams with a 100 times lower revenue and 100 times worse players (on paper) on potato fields (stadiums). Football at the end of the day is entertainment. What is even the point of Ligue 1 when 9.5 out of 10 times, PSG are going to win the league? You as a PSG fan basically live and die for the CL. What is that, 7 knockout games at most for entire 9 month duration of the season?
The idea that the Super League is going to "destroy" football is laughable when current day football has never had a bigger monotony or difference between the top clubs and all the rest. All statistical data confirms this. No need to prevent otherwise just because football is shrouded in conservatism and lack of innovation. It took FIFA and UEFA (talk about corrupt organizations) I don't know how long to even introduce VAR. Before that actual refereeing mistakes that decided league titles, cup titles etc. were considered as some form of "absurd" charm.
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It is not that bad mobile.twitter.com/super_ninio/status/1580906991299440641
Certainly not my taste, but we have to admit it is better than pulling another lever and going bankrupt
Certainly not my taste, but we have to admit it is better than pulling another lever and going bankrupt
I'm guessing their youth team won't have to do this.
Nobody leaves money on the table. They will leave only when their contracts expire. Its the same with Bale/Hazard/Jovic/Mariano at Madrid.
You do realize that superleague will only increase the differences between the top clubs and the rest right? That's one of the reason it doesn't fly in the UK. Also, I'm sure that having clubs running a competition instead of an organization will surely make it corruption proof, no doubt about that!
Basically, you want to replace something that, in your opinion, doesn't work by something potentially worse, that's a great idea!
Iirc both Zidane and Delibasic (basketball) did for you
I seriously cannot believe Barca have scraped the depths so far that there shirt is now being whored out, while their fans try to defend it. Literally these Barca fanboi's will get down on their knees and swallow anything Laporta puts in front of them.
Im wondering if barcelona and RedBull racing employ the same accountants?
Hmm....
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They haven't won CLs but they have poached the best players in the world and will continue to do so. Newcastle hasn't even started yet too.
Why would the next Messi sign for Barca when he could sign for astronomical money at city, PSG or Newcastle?
Unless measures are actually enforced, the future great clubs perhaps won't be the traditional ones. It is sad.
For the same reason top players have been signing for Barcelona despite these clubs being around and with Barcelona being in well known financial troubles. The top players that City or PSG are signing today are the players that Inter or Milan used to sign in the past. Some will sign for them but many others will be playing for half a dozen of other clubs, it's the case today and it has been the case for a very long time, unless the size of teams change that reality won't.
Cry me a river
Every year Citi are the best team on the planet according to the media, but on the pitch they get found out.
Bosman rule had more impact.
Guardiola wouldn't win 4 PL titles in 5 years if he could only have 3 foreigners in City's starting XI.
That guy is clearly a troll. There's no point trying to justify Barca on here as most United fans have made up their minds and due to lack of success will take every opportunity to kick us while we are down, they've been waiting. Could be those 2 CL finals but also they seem to have their panties in a twist regarding Frenkie transfer still. Learned that very early on here.
Right now, our club is a laughing stock, Banterlona, a meme but we will be back. Our pull is still massive even in this current situation. Let other fans have their fun.
Super League will happen eventually, it's a matter of when, not if. I don't agree with it personally but all this 'for the fans' bullshit the likes of Neville (HUGE hypocrite) spout will dry up once the correct people are paid off and they get their money.
As for the Drake shirt, not a fan of it but don't get the big deal people are making about it, football is going this way. Maybe the players should be forced to have 'Drake' written on the back also.
Also, what are the chances we get another post of "who let the Barca bots on here". I guess we shouldn't be surprised though as many on here worship/ed Madrid when Cristiano played there, funny how fickle fans can be.
Nobody here (at least not any Barça fans here) are crying. Your Barça-obsessed lot are the ones crying and obsessing. Zero constructive posts. Supposedly grown ups behaving like 13-15 year old trolls.
I don't want to make this personal or anything but as a PSG fan it makes sense why you are vehemently supporting the concept of continued UEFA monopoly (CL). The same UEFA has been protecting PSG and putting Al-Khelaifi in leading powerful UEFA/European football positions.
Not only that the same UEFA has not punished neither PSG nor Man City even remotely adequately for their clearly corrupt economic dealings and breach of UEFA's own rules. It is a bit of a joke, really for the supposed "fair" football competition that the fraudster Ceferin was so adamant about when his little monopoly was threatened last year. Some clubs operate with completely different rules already after all.
For instance what makes you believe that a competition run by the top clubs would ever allow a member top club x or y, to break the rules of the competition? On the contrary such a organization run by the clubs themselves, would likely combat such breach of rules much more fairly and effectively as it would hurt their own product and the competition.
Why are some people against actual top clubs playing each other more frequently than it occurs now and thus make it less arbitrary in terms of who is drawn with who and the road to a final?
I want to see the best teams competing against each other in the supposedly "best European tournament". Not some top teams meeting scrubs or lesser teams while other top teams are playing other top teams all the way to the final. There is nothing fair or even exciting about that. The current CL concept has been random for far too long since forever.
The Super League, if done correctly, would be a far superior and fair product (sporting wise and economically) and would make much more sense too. People (football fans included) want to see the best teams play each other. Not top teams against scrubs in a already heavily distorted football pyramid where a select few top clubs/teams are lightyears ahead of the rest economically.
What is the sporting point of a Bayern vs Plzen? Other than the "charm" of Plzen playing against Bayern, a club with 100 times the revenue and a 100 times better squad on paper with just 1 member of said squad earning more than the entire Plzen squad? Only in football would the equivalent of a Mike Tyson in his prime against an amateur boxer be seen as some kind of "noble endeavor" and "boxing's for all" type of argument.
If people want more "purity" back in football and the whole argument of "football is for everyone", then reintroduce the Bosman rule (I know that it was proven illegal hence the removal) or some other instruments to level the playing field between clubs and to make football more competitive across the entire board.
Are you guys still rotting in the Segunda División? I am asking because you last made the news several years ago for a few seconds so nobody really knows what the frustrated pericos are up to. Any updates?
That is indeed one of the main reasons. The purist in me would like a return to that era, although I never witnessed it personally, just to try how it would function today for a few seasons.
That guy is clearly a troll. There's no point trying to justify Barca on here as most United fans have made up their minds and due to lack of success will take every opportunity to kick us while we are down, they've been waiting. Could be those 2 CL finals but also they seem to have their panties in a twist regarding Frenkie transfer still. Learned that very early on here.
Right now, our club is a laughing stock, Banterlona, a meme but we will be back. Our pull is still massive even in this current situation. Let other fans have their fun.
Super League will happen eventually, it's a matter of when, not if. I don't agree with it personally but all this 'for the fans' bullshit the likes of Neville (HUGE hypocrite) spout will dry up once the correct people are paid off and they get their money.
As for the Drake shirt, not a fan of it but don't get the big deal people are making about it, football is going this way. Maybe the players should be forced to have 'Drake' written on the back also.
Also, what are the chances we get another post of "who let the Barca bots on here". I guess we shouldn't be surprised though as many on here worship/ed Madrid when Cristiano played there, funny how fickle fans can be.
Perfectly put. I could not have written it any better. Talk about years of frustration. It is actually something truly hilarious to witness.
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Yes, yes, yes, Barça is going to collapse because of a CL (corrupt tinpot tournament soon to be replaced by the Super League) group exit.
Also it is the end of the world that the club has its worst crisis in 20+ years and has not won any trophies for just 1 season in a row (2021-22) while numerous European top clubs can brag about 1 league title in 33 years (Liverpool), 5 seasons without any trophies won in a row, 15 years since a CL win, 10 years since a league win (Man Utd), Juventus being a joke in Europe for the past almost 30 years with no European trophies won, AC Milan with 2 scudetti wins in 20 years and 1 CL win in 20 years and the list goes on and on.
Barça on the other hand is coming of 15 years (2004-2019) of insane dominance (10 La Liga, 7 Copa del Rey, 8 Spanish Super Cups, 4 CL, 3 UEFA Super Cups and 3 FIFA Club World Cups titles), orgasmic football and legendary teams and players that will always be remembered and admired widely by football fans across the world, the GOAT winning more individual trophies than anyone else while representing the club etc.
The club is in a transitional season coming out of the worst institutional and sporting crisis in 20 + years. The GOAT leaving in August 2021 as well. Xavi a managerial novice. Laporta needing to clean the gigantic mess that Bartomeu left etc.
All in all this season is far from lost. La Liga is winnable and so is the Cops del Rey, Spanish Super Cup and likely the Europa League which I would rather win than going out in the knockout CL stages as we were very unlikely to win the CL anyway. The monetary loss from a CL group stage exit are widely overblown as already showcased in this thread by another user. This is more about prestige which is a joke anyway as we have largely been a joke In Europe in recent years anyway so this does not change anything in this regard.
Also if not for the robbery last week and tons of injuries, we would most likely have qualified. Inter are not a better team but the CL was never about the best team winning anyway. Still a possibility to qualify although a remote one.
Barça will be back winning and competing for the biggest trophies. Just a question of when and not if. Could be this season already. Laporta has already done a tremendous job changing the squad for the better just within 1 year. The squad is young with tons of highly rated young players and talents with many more coming through.
New stadium coming within a few years, most deadwood gone next summer, wage bill under control, still a massive pull as a club etc. There are many reasons to be positive.
Are you okay?
Frenkie de Jong, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and the three “captains” — Sergio Busquets, Gerard Pique and Jordi Alba — each cost the club more than €40million a year.
hahah you mad. i repeat - cry more
Please stop, he's dead already...
He has no fecking clue how US pro leagues are run - if he reads the fine print on drafting, picks, salary caps, revenue distribution etc he may not be so hot on it
They had UNICEF on it as a snide underhand way of getting their fans used to having a logo on their shirt.
Twas always a move designed to sell the shirt sponsor after UNICEF. Like everything with Barca, it’s all smoke/mirrors and spin.
You coudln't be more wrong. I'm against the superleague because :
- I care about ligue 1 and don't want the gap between PSG and the other clubs to be even bigger
- I care about the other leagues so I don't want to see all the good players sucked in even more than they are now by clubs that would play the SL
- there's no guarantee the SL will be more fair.
- It's a good thing Plzen is in CL otherwise Barcelona wouldn't have won any game this season.
Actually, the SL would benefit PSG since the local leagues would take the backseat (no other way around with minimum 18 games per season, up to 23 for the SL only) and it'll allow clubs outside of england/spain to attract better player without overpaying too much because of the low level in Ligue 1.
They really became more than a club - nothing more than a marketing vehicle for a streaming service. Really good job on Spotify‘s part, they milked the desperate football romanticists and got everything handed on a silver platter.
Barca owns Manchester though. United are falling hard and their debt is pretty awful too. Much much rather be Barca than united even if both clubs are massive jokes in football