Thoughts and prayers.Yes, yes, yes, Barça is going to collapse because of a CL (corrupt tinpot tournament soon to be replaced by the Super League) group exit.
Also it is the end of the world that the club has its worst crisis in 20+ years and has not won any trophies for just 1 season in a row (2021-22) while numerous European top clubs can brag about 1 league title in 33 years (Liverpool), 5 seasons without any trophies won in a row, 15 years since a CL win, 10 years since a league win (Man Utd), Juventus being a joke in Europe for the past almost 30 years with no European trophies won, AC Milan with 2 scudetti wins in 20 years and 1 CL win in 20 years and the list goes on and on.
Barça on the other hand is coming of 15 years (2004-2019) of insane dominance (10 La Liga, 7 Copa del Rey, 8 Spanish Super Cups, 4 CL, 3 UEFA Super Cups and 3 FIFA Club World Cups titles), orgasmic football and legendary teams and players that will always be remembered and admired widely by football fans across the world, the GOAT winning more individual trophies than anyone else while representing the club etc.
The club is in a transitional season coming out of the worst institutional and sporting crisis in 20 + years. The GOAT leaving in August 2021 as well. Xavi a managerial novice. Laporta needing to clean the gigantic mess that Bartomeu left etc.
All in all this season is far from lost. La Liga is winnable and so is the Cops del Rey, Spanish Super Cup and likely the Europa League which I would rather win than going out in the knockout CL stages as we were very unlikely to win the CL anyway. The monetary loss from a CL group stage exit are widely overblown as already showcased in this thread by another user. This is more about prestige which is a joke anyway as we have largely been a joke In Europe in recent years anyway so this does not change anything in this regard.
Also if not for the robbery last week and tons of injuries, we would most likely have qualified. Inter are not a better team but the CL was never about the best team winning anyway. Still a possibility to qualify although a remote one.
Barça will be back winning and competing for the biggest trophies. Just a question of when and not if. Could be this season already. Laporta has already done a tremendous job changing the squad for the better just within 1 year. The squad is young with tons of highly rated young players and talents with many more coming through.
New stadium coming within a few years, most deadwood gone next summer, wage bill under control, still a massive pull as a club etc. There are many reasons to be positive.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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Silva for Anderson, KDB for Park, Walker for O'Shea?
None of those were certain starters 08
I just looked at who started the CL finalm but I still think it's fair to say KDB, Walker and Bernardo wouldn't have got in the United team in 08
The inability to hire a world class manager in the fear he may change the set up or deviate from the Barca way will continue to cripple the club and prevent us from challenging in Europe. Many club politics at play.
In La liga, we can get away with it for the most part but it gets exposed time and time again in the CL. We went from winning the CL to challenging to humiliations to not even getting out the group stage. Barca no longer have the GOAT cheat code to paper over the cracks and bail us out. A top manager is the most important position we need to address, even over the players. The holier than thou Barca way or no way has to stop also, the club needs to accept we aren't a GOAT team anymore and adapt to that situation.
Have a look at Barca's manager history since Pep.. Lucho won a treble with MSN but other than him (and arguably even him), none of those managers (Setien ffs) had any business managing a club as big as Barca or any top club for that matter.
As for the financial repercussions of a group stage exit, it won't effect the club existing (sorry to disappoint some of you), most of the 'all or nothing' stuff is overblown. We were robbed in Milan, pretty unlucky at times vs Bayern and the CB situation is dire (thank you international break) but there isn't much excuse to exit in the group stages after the investment last summer, this has to reflect on Xavi.
See you guys in Europa league I guess, where the real football is being played these days. I love Thursday night football.
In La liga, we can get away with it for the most part but it gets exposed time and time again in the CL. We went from winning the CL to challenging to humiliations to not even getting out the group stage. Barca no longer have the GOAT cheat code to paper over the cracks and bail us out. A top manager is the most important position we need to address, even over the players. The holier than thou Barca way or no way has to stop also, the club needs to accept we aren't a GOAT team anymore and adapt to that situation.
Have a look at Barca's manager history since Pep.. Lucho won a treble with MSN but other than him (and arguably even him), none of those managers (Setien ffs) had any business managing a club as big as Barca or any top club for that matter.
As for the financial repercussions of a group stage exit, it won't effect the club existing (sorry to disappoint some of you), most of the 'all or nothing' stuff is overblown. We were robbed in Milan, pretty unlucky at times vs Bayern and the CB situation is dire (thank you international break) but there isn't much excuse to exit in the group stages after the investment last summer, this has to reflect on Xavi.
See you guys in Europa league I guess, where the real football is being played these days. I love Thursday night football.
Obviously injuries, match fitness and specialised tactical roles are going to take priority for 1 game, but you're still quoting 13th, 15th and 18th players in terms of minutes that season. If you want to compare to starters you'd have to choose any of Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand and Vidic depending on formation and role.
What a load of shite.Yes, yes, yes, Barça is going to collapse because of a CL (corrupt tinpot tournament soon to be replaced by the Super League) group exit.
Also it is the end of the world that the club has its worst crisis in 20+ years and has not won any trophies for just 1 season in a row (2021-22) while numerous European top clubs can brag about 1 league title in 33 years (Liverpool), 5 seasons without any trophies won in a row, 15 years since a CL win, 10 years since a league win (Man Utd), Juventus being a joke in Europe for the past almost 30 years with no European trophies won, AC Milan with 2 scudetti wins in 20 years and 1 CL win in 20 years and the list goes on and on.
Barça on the other hand is coming of 15 years (2004-2019) of insane dominance (10 La Liga, 7 Copa del Rey, 8 Spanish Super Cups, 4 CL, 3 UEFA Super Cups and 3 FIFA Club World Cups titles), orgasmic football and legendary teams and players that will always be remembered and admired widely by football fans across the world, the GOAT winning more individual trophies than anyone else while representing the club etc.
The club is in a transitional season coming out of the worst institutional and sporting crisis in 20 + years. The GOAT leaving in August 2021 as well. Xavi a managerial novice. Laporta needing to clean the gigantic mess that Bartomeu left etc.
All in all this season is far from lost. La Liga is winnable and so is the Cops del Rey, Spanish Super Cup and likely the Europa League which I would rather win than going out in the knockout CL stages as we were very unlikely to win the CL anyway. The monetary loss from a CL group stage exit are widely overblown as already showcased in this thread by another user. This is more about prestige which is a joke anyway as we have largely been a joke In Europe in recent years anyway so this does not change anything in this regard.
Also if not for the robbery last week and tons of injuries, we would most likely have qualified. Inter are not a better team but the CL was never about the best team winning anyway. Still a possibility to qualify although a remote one.
Barça will be back winning and competing for the biggest trophies. Just a question of when and not if. Could be this season already. Laporta has already done a tremendous job changing the squad for the better just within 1 year. The squad is young with tons of highly rated young players and talents with many more coming through.
New stadium coming within a few years, most deadwood gone next summer, wage bill under control, still a massive pull as a club etc. There are many reasons to be positive.
You can pick any of the 3 finals in 4 years to be fair.
Which one of City’s one CL final, which you lost after being outplayed by the 4th best team in England, would you like to choose?
Judging by his post history, clearly not.
I like how the whole story arc went from "best transfer window" to "xavi is a god" to "performing in the CL is not important" and "xavi is a fraud".
What levers are going to be pulled now that they’re likely dropping to Europa?
Factual statements are a “load of shite” now. Ok.
Judging from the reactions of non-Barça fans in this thread, it seems they are more obsessed than actual Barça fans. A sad existence, I guess.
For what? I am perfectly fine. If I were not, I would not have written posts here just after yesterday’s game. Unlike the seemingly deluded lot here in this thread, I never claimed that this current Barça is about to win their third treble this season or that Xavi is anything else than a managerial novice.
I understand that Barça is coming out from the club’s worst institutional, sporting and economic crisis in the past 20 + years after almost 2 decades of nonstop and huge success, and that it would take more than just 1 season to fix. Besides the season is far from over as I wrote. The conclusion is yet to be written.
Well, I largely agree, but the idea that any manager (even Pep) would have somehow fixed all the problems that Bartomeu‘s criminal neglect of the club caused, is a unrealistic thought. It starts at the top after all. It is too soon to judge Laporta and to be fair, there were very few ”proven“ options at the time of Xavis hiring. No serious manager was going to take over back in November 2021 when the league and CL were already lost due to the very poor season start.
Laporta is not Bartomeu, he won’t hesitate to part ways with Xavi if he does not win any trophies this season.
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Is it possible for the Caf to have bots, like Twitter?
No reason… just curious…
No reason… just curious…
Yes, the Barca fan on the Man Utd board is correct that we are obsessed with Barca.Factual statements are a “load of shite” now. Ok.
Judging from the reactions of non-Barça fans in this thread, it seems they are more obsessed than actual Barça fans. A sad existence, I guess.
Nothing screams factual like calling tournament tinpot.Factual statements are a “load of shite” now. Ok.
I like how the whole story arc went from "best transfer window" to "xavi is a god" to "performing in the CL is not important" and "xavi is a fraud".
Yep. Went through every emotion in the book.
I like the idea that a La Liga Club supporter thinks the CL is Tin Pot
CMM mentioned Liverpool not winning the league in England for 33 years. Well during that time 7 different English clubs have won the league between Liverpools title wins, Arsenal, Leeds, Man United, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Man City, and Leicester City
Only 9 different clubs have won La Liga since the league started nealry 100 years ago
CMM mentioned Liverpool not winning the league in England for 33 years. Well during that time 7 different English clubs have won the league between Liverpools title wins, Arsenal, Leeds, Man United, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Man City, and Leicester City
Only 9 different clubs have won La Liga since the league started nealry 100 years ago
This is a weird flex. By all means keep flexing on that poster, it's hilarious and deserved, but english football hasn't exactly had particuparly greater variation in winners since the 60s...over the last 40 years, Spain had 7 different winners to England's 10...7 to 5 since the birth of the PL...I like the idea that a La Liga Club supporter thinks the CL is Tin Pot
CMM mentioned Liverpool not winning the league in England for 33 years. Well during that time 7 different English clubs have won the league between Liverpools title wins, Arsenal, Leeds, Man United, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Man City, and Leicester City
Only 9 different clubs have won La Liga since the league started nealry 100 years ago
CMM mentioned Liverpool not winning the league in England for 33 years. Well during that time 7 different English clubs have won the league between Liverpools title wins, Arsenal, Leeds, Man United, Blackburn Rovers, Chelsea, Man City, and Leicester City
Only 9 different clubs have won La Liga since the league started nealry 100 years ago
The correct comparison would be how many clubs have won La Liga in the same period of time. The answer is: 5 clubs. So, a difference of two clubs, in a country that is smaller than England and has less professional football clubs.
I like how the whole story arc went from "best transfer window" to "xavi is a god" to "performing in the CL is not important" and "xavi is a fraud".
its the doubling down for me
Getting rid of Piqué, Jordi Alba, Busquets and Sergi Roberto is a must. None of them is good enough anymore, they have ridiculous salaries and aren't proper captains. By leadership and being good examples for the others to follow the captains should be Ter Stegen, Araujo, Lewandowski and Gavi.
On a complete different topic, it's kind of funny how one of the reasons De Jong didn't want to go to United was because United isn't in the Champions League. Now we may even play against United in the Europa League, the irony.
On a complete different topic, it's kind of funny how one of the reasons De Jong didn't want to go to United was because United isn't in the Champions League. Now we may even play against United in the Europa League, the irony.
It's not a flex, just found it funny he is calling a the CL tinpot because Barca havent won it since 2015 and are on the verge of an early exit this year. The whataboutism with Liverpool was the icing on the cake for me
And Deportivo last won it since 2001 and Valencia last won it in 2004. Both Barca and Real in that time have had to pull various economic levers by aquiring the best players on Earth to win a two horse race
The Spanish Government had to bail Real out during the mess left after the first Galactico era and Barca currently are selling off their future and owe their own players millions in unpaid wageshttps://www.independent.co.uk/sport...stigates-real-madrid-property-deal-72063.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/22037966
23,009 posts on a Man Utd forum, obsessing about Barça and acting like a 15-year old fanboy. Not weird at all. Priorities in life and all. Carry on.
To be fair to Xavi none of Piqué, Roberto and Alba (who did not start) would have been starting last night or last week if not for the absurd amount of defensive injuries. When those injuries occurred I warned about what a great loss they could turn out to be. He had practically discarded Piqué and Alba until he was forced to use them in lack of better alternatives. Just bad luck. Of course his insistence on starting Busquets instead of FDJ (who was just injured and probably not fully fit yet) is completely on him as well as his “tactics” or lack thereof. A CL group stage exit is far from good enough and on him too but we lacked the necessary luck on so many fronts (injuries to crucial players, refereeing robberies, Lewandowski suddenly missing open goals etc., hardest CL group out of all, absurd congested schedule, new project etc. People can call it “bad excuses” but there are levels. He will be judged by how the season ends, if the gameplay improves or stagnates or gets even worse, trophies won, point tally etc. and rightly so IMO.
FFS, you don’t “fix” an almost terminally ill patient (Barça) after years of abuse to the body (Bartomeu) within less than 12 months. Bayern and Inter (trolling aside) are not scrubs. This is a Barça in transition and no amount of fan optimism can change that. The team is not even that great on paper. Even less so when you are missing most of your defence. I was saying that weeks ago when others (some deluded or deliberately deluded RM fans and others) were claiming that this Barça were favourites to win the league and some dark horse in the CL and what not.
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Spain is not smaller than England, ffs.
By population it is
Factual statements are a “load of shite” now. Ok.
Judging from the reactions of non-Barça fans in this thread, it seems they are more obsessed than actual Barça fans. A sad existence, I guess.
For what? I am perfectly fine. If I were not, I would not have written posts here just after yesterday’s game. Unlike the seemingly deluded lot here in this thread, I never claimed that this current Barça is about to win their third treble this season or that Xavi is anything else than a managerial novice.
I understand that Barça is coming out from the club’s worst institutional, sporting and economic crisis in the past 20 + years after almost 2 decades of nonstop and huge success, and that it would take more than just 1 season to fix. Besides the season is far from over as I wrote. The conclusion is yet to be written.
Well, I largely agree, but the idea that any manager (even Pep) would have somehow fixed all the problems that Bartomeu‘s criminal neglect of the club caused, is a unrealistic thought. It starts at the top after all. It is too soon to judge Laporta and to be fair, there were very few ”proven“ options at the time of Xavis hiring. No serious manager was going to take over back in November 2021 when the league and CL were already lost due to the very poor season start.
Laporta is not Bartomeu, he won’t hesitate to part ways with Xavi if he does not win any trophies this season.
How do you figure they are coming out of anything? If anything those things are all getting worse, particularly the financial aspect. Just because the leadership was able to gaslight their dillusional fans this summer doesn't mean anything has gotten better. Good luck recovering financially when you have sold off every means of making money at the club.
Fair dos, thought he meant geographically.
You're a riot, keep posting
I mean, it's a competition where they get humiliated year in year out, in increasingly more humiliating fashion too. Have to find some way to cope i guess
With Pep, Barca were lucky that he turned out as good as he did but after that all the gambles have failed.
Even Enrique was not a good manager. The treble in 2015 was down to the front 3 (especially Messi) in great form.
The main change from the Guardiola days is that the midfield can no longer keep the ball as well as they used to so that the defence, which has always been poor, keeps getting brutally exposed in Europe. Pique has been the culprit in chief be it yesterday or at Roma, at Liverpool or at Juventus in the past.
He's talking about people obsessing over Barca in a thread about Barca.I mean, it's a competition where they get humiliated year in year out, in increasingly more humiliating fashion too. Have to find some way to cope i guess
Id like to see the cope if someone mentioned Dr Fuentes being in jail coinciding with Barca's decline in the tin pot Champions League...
@Iker Quesadillas Im a newbie and over my post limit so I'll reply here
Legality has nothing to do with it, the point was Real got bailed out after overspending on World Class players they couldnt afford.
Now Barca are in the same boat and are selling their future assests and making the players the villains in the piece for Barca being broke by accepting the contracts Barca offered them.
And CruyffMaradonaMessi has the nerve to call the CL tinpot AND corrupt
Fact is the deck is stacked in Real and Barca's favour, and the election model for who runs the club means it's a cycle that wont end soon.
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An article from March 2004 saying an investigation was opened.
The investigation was closed in November 2004 after no evidence of illegality was found.
https://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2004/11/08/futbol/1099939487.html
alex jones goes to bed thankful he doesn’t have barcelona’s debt.
This @CruyffMaradonaMessi chap is something else
We've found the Barca version of Glastonspur