I miss the old days of Barca, the commercialism surrounding them now (or at least, it’s far more blatant now) is sickening.
Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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I miss the old days of Barca, the commercialism surrounding them now (or at least, it’s far more blatant now) is sickening.
Adieu monsieur.
50 billion streams? Blimey. Drake must've made a cool £30 or so from that. Good for him.
Sergio Busquets, Gerard Pique and Jordi Alba have been at the club for so long that neither should have any book value. Thus its all salary. Just imagine Pique earning more than €40million a year with these performances.
Honestly, FDJ is the least of Barca's worries. They need to stop paying exorbitant wages to their academy guys.
Really sad what’s happened to Barca
Pique doesn’t earn 40mil a year so stop talking out of your arse.
He is owed a shit load of deferred wages mind, according to reports. But his base salary was never anything close to the nonsense you’re peddling here.
We know from the screenshot he posted to rebuke reports that during the clubs financial covid struggle he took an annual wage of around just 4m euros (2m after tax).
Good post. As is usual with Barcelona, there is a lot of use of the media to shame and denigrate the players to deflect from the incompetence of the management.
That guy is clearly a troll. There's no point trying to justify Barca on here as most United fans have made up their minds and due to lack of success will take every opportunity to kick us while we are down, they've been waiting. Could be those 2 CL finals but also they seem to have their panties in a twist regarding Frenkie transfer still. Learned that very early on here.
Right now, our club is a laughing stock, Banterlona, a meme but we will be back. Our pull is still massive even in this current situation. Let other fans have their fun.
Super League will happen eventually, it's a matter of when, not if. I don't agree with it personally but all this 'for the fans' bullshit the likes of Neville (HUGE hypocrite) spout will dry up once the correct people are paid off and they get their money.
As for the Drake shirt, not a fan of it but don't get the big deal people are making about it, football is going this way. Maybe the players should be forced to have 'Drake' written on the back also.
Also, what are the chances we get another post of "who let the Barca bots on here". I guess we shouldn't be surprised though as many on here worship/ed Madrid when Cristiano played there, funny how fickle fans can be.
1) Haven't you heard, the CL is a tinpot competition to Barca. So not sure why you would think that Utd are worried about such losses.
2) Yeah, the Super League will be called the Europa League, since that competition will account for 66% of the Super League teams come January.
3) Erm, no it isn't. Barca are only having to do this because they spent way too much money that they didn't have and then had to pimp themselves out to the highest bidder. Do you genuinely belive some 14 year old girl is going to go 'OMG!!!! Drake's logo is soooooooooo, on Barca's shirt against Real Madrid!!!! Soooooo going to watch that now!!!!!!!!
1) You mean similer to how certain Spanish teams have been able to have different tax rules to other teams because of their 'legacy'?
https://www.politico.eu/article/fc-barcelona-got-illegal-tax-benefit-highest-eu-court-rules/
No, no, noooooooo!!!! It cannot be true!!! Not the pure and 'elite' Barca!!! No, they've done everything by the book!!! After all, they're 'more than a club'!!!!
2) Well I hope that means Barca and Real aren't allowed anywhere near the running of such a Super League, since, you know they recieved unfair tax allowances (along with Osusuna and Bilbao) which has essentially made La Liga a two team league; which is also why they need a Super League, since they paupered their own league to make sure no one wants to watch it. Although, tbf to them, this was just done so they could compete with the Oil Clubs in the Tinpot CL, of course....
3) Because most normal thinking fans don't want to see the same teams play each other all the time? Or they want to see clubs from smaller regions or areas have a go? Guess that is hard to understand when you have Drake's logo 4x the size of your own badge on your shirt and your team destroyed the competitive balance of your own league via illegal tax allowances.
4) How exactly does a fan of a 'scrub' team like Plzen or Celtic differ from you? Just asking as they're clearly inferior to you €1.5bn indebted club.
5) Any elaboration on how the SL will be fair and superior to clubs other than those termed 'elite' by the likes of you? Or is it that it will just allow your owl adorned club to pay it's debts as it cannot compete with the PL whose ascendancy in financials has been principally drawn from having fair tax rules and equal distribution of TV income?
6) The majority of football fans in Europe do not support just the 'elite' clubs. Plenty of people go and watch the clubs you describe as 'scrubs' week in and week out. You add all those 'scrub' fans across Europe together, they vastly out number the 40-95k fans that turn up to your 10-20 'elite' clubs each week.
7) What is the sporting point of Juve, Barca and Real playing each other 16 times a year to make up their so called Super League? And before you say other clubs will join, no they won't. In England the political parties will legislate for them to be banned from it (no EU oversight to force them into it anymore.) Bayern won't join as Germany has the purest run form of ownership in Europe, and guess what, such fans don't want a closed shop; hence why they didn't jump on the bandwagon to begin with. PSG also won't join as they know the 'traditional elite' will just make up rules to prevent non interest loans investment. In Portugal the big three need to play their 'scrub sides' so that their supporters in regions outside their catchment areas can see them when they come to town. At best your 'Super League' will be the 'elite' Spanish and Italian teams with some teams from some 'scrub leagues' thrown in to make out it is a real competition.
8) Take it your don't actually watch boxing. I mean, tell me why is there 4 'world championship' belts if only the best are fighting the best?
9) Answered your own question. Cannot be done because it is illegal. Although as a Barca fan, I can understand why you don't find that an issue.
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It was a payslip, the figure is most likely net. 8m gross, and 50% deferred salary, for 4 years, means 8x4+8=40m...
I really wish people didn't just regurgitate half-remembered things they saw in an article once.
But if you're going to that, at least make it coherent.
Four clubs received unfair tax allowances and this "essentially" made the league a two team league?
What's the sporting point of half the NBA games where one team is actively trying to lose? You have some sort of weird fetish for the way US sports are run with no notion of what it actually entails.
Probably doesn't know that this is a Barca thread. In their strawberry world, we should be talking about how bad we are on this thread and not talk about how shite barca are both on and off the pitch.
They have been dominant for 15 years now so all good.I mean, it's a competition where they get humiliated year in year out, in increasingly more humiliating fashion too. Have to find some way to cope i guess
A more realistic summation of Barcelona’s finances came when the club’s financial vice-president Eduard Romeu admitted last week that “without the income from the ‘levers’, last year we would have lost €106million, and this year (the loss would be) €210million”.
That was a reminder that the Catalans are still living beyond their means and continuing to pay off the mistakes of the past.
Most obviously, their squad still costs way more than it should. In 2021-22, the total spent on salaries and amortised transfer fees was €518million but the budget confirms that, in 2022-23, it is up by 27 per cent to €656million after the signings of Lewandowski, Raphinha and five more new players in the summer.
Short-term fixes from past seasons keep coming back to cause problems.
A big one is player salaries that were deferred in past seasons, and are now due. The focus last week was again on Frenkie de Jong, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and the three “captains” — Sergio Busquets, Gerard Pique and Jordi Alba — who each cost the club more than €40million a year. Of these, only Ter Stegen has started the season well, while the current level of veterans Busquets, 34, and Pique, 35, was to be cruelly highlighted last night by Inter.
The accounts published last week also show that Barelonca still owe transfer fees dating back years, including for players who are no longer at the club such as Philippe Coutinho, Miralem Pjanic and Neto Moura. More than €100million of this total is due to be paid for these players in the next seven months.
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But still, nobody at last week’s AGM was seriously considering they could end up back in the Europa League after Christmas.
“Last season the impact of being eliminated in the Champions League groups was €12million,” Romeu said last week. “We were counting on income we didn’t get, but we also saved costs. This year, we are aiming to win La Liga and reach the Champions League quarter-finals.”
That projection will almost certainly not be reached now, and €12million is a very conservative estimate of the cost of another group-stage elimination.
Even if they do progress further in the Champions League, their broadcast revenue is still predicted to fall by six per cent this year to €236million because from this season, they have started to pay Sixth Street 25 per cent of their La Liga TV income — €41million per year.
It is proof that, whether or not activating the levers actually pays off, they will have to be paid back.
Beyond the numbers, making the Champions League knockout phase is also vital to the club’s image.
Momentum is crucial to growing their fanbase and increasing their revenues from commercial partners. It’s not hard to see why nobody at the AGM wanted to even think about Wednesday’s game going badly.
https://theathletic.com/3685330/2022/10/13/barcelona-transfers-levels-finances/
Because the other two weren't and aren't ever going to challenge you. Athletic through their philosophy and Osasuna due to their size. If Valencia, Atleti, Sevilla and Betis had been given those allowances they would've been a lot more competitive.
Additionally, CMM was complaining about how other clubs were doing things illegally,/breaking rules, yet they haven't actually been found in a court of law to have done/benefitted from something illegal, whereas Barca and Real have. Hence, his supposition that the SL would be more pure because the true 'elite' clubs doesn't hold water if you include Barca and Real in that category, since you know, they've actually been found guilty in a real court.
They won 3 times. That's not dominance. 5 wins in 9 years, that's dominance
Haha bless. In terms of humiliating fanbases, it’s not even close.
We’ll be protesting our owners this weekend and every match until they’re gone. On here, United is dragged near constantly.by nearly every United supporter over how we’re run.
You clowns got into a catastrophe, and rather be prudent, cheered selling your own future, under the pretence of a “virtuous circle” (surely a concept ripped from an infomercial). You defend awful short termism, and throwing club legends under the bus, you’d rather set fire to the European club structure than go a couple years of struggle, ffs even your own fans were using the fact that ticket sales have jumped due to these player incomings as an example of why it had to be done, when really, it’s more an example of a spoilt, entitled fanbase.
United fans relentlessly criticised Chevrolet logo, team viewer logo, and our random sponsors. If both clubs are jokes, only one fanbase has the dignity to accept it.
Enjoy being a promotional tool for Drake and whoever else spotify push on you. Cool owl.
Eeeh. Not really. I guess it's hard for the english to understand the difference in how the sport is lived and perceived in Spain compared to England. Spain for all its size and population and number of big clubs has always been more similar to Scotland - two giants with massive fanbases, and the rest being confined locally with often fewer fans even there than the big 2 - places like Almeria, Malaga, Girona, Mallorca, Valladolid, etc, there are more fans of the big 2 locally than the local club - often people would just support their local club plus one of the big 2
The only reason this hasn't been more evident since the 70s is that from the sale of Suarez to Cruyff taking over and remodeling the club Barcelona spent 3 decades being a banter club - which left the door open for other to step in whenever Madrid went through a rebuilding phase.
The bosman ruling, EU working rights and globalization meant the big 2 were always destined to pull away in a big way, the only chance for the others was through TV rights - and there the Valencias, Sevilla, etc dropped the ball by insisting on selling them individually instead of collectively. By the time they realized the mistake it was too late
Which is not to say that other clubs can't compete, as demonstrated by Atletico in the last 10 years. It's just really difficult
In fairness there does seem to be an obsession with Barca on this forum, more so than Liverpool or the other clubs. But it's all good.
Criticizing ownership did zilch. United aren't in much better shape than they have been, their debt is escalating and we got rid of Barto you are still stuck with the glazers. United have fallen off harder than Barca in recent years, 2013 feels like centuries ago. And it's all good, everything goes in cycles. We are bad as well right now, but United have no short term or long term plan. If you can't see how poorly United are run then I can't help you. Not once did I say Barca weren't poorly run, but it's a bit like throwing rocks in a glass house when United, Barca and probably Juventus are the worst running clubs in football right now. At least we have elections and can vote out a bad president whereas United can be stuck with poor ownership for decades.
And Barca get a lot of shit too by their own fans, there are already calls for Xavi Out (I don't agree with that) and go to their reddit page or barcaforum and you'll see them get slammed as much as United gets slammed on here. It's hilarious that you think all barca fans accept everything the club does while all United fans oppose everything their club does. Team Viewer will still be the sponsor next season for United.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/manches...ar-with-teamviewer-shirt-sponsor-deal-sources
https://theathletic.com/3491857/2022/08/16/manchester-united-debt-glazer-family-football/
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Another deluded paranoid Barca fan. How original.
Sorry, that there could only be one state-backed team in Spain (RM) at that time (Franco era). Remains largely the case to this day BTW with almost every media in Spain being pro-RM or controlled by Papa Floren.
You have clearly been sleeping under a rock in the past 4-5 years, it seems. Bartomeu being forced to resign due to fan pressure never occurred it seems.The old guard (las vacas sagradas) being slaughtered in the local media and among fans for years neither occurred. Or the toxic atmosphere within the fanbase. What a joke post.
4 CL in 16 years (2006-2022).
10 La Liga, 7 Copa del Rey, 8 Spanish Super Cups, 4 CL, 3 UEFA Super Cups and 3 FIFA Club World Cups titles in the past 18 years, 2 trebles, orgasmic football, widely recognized as the best teams in football history (or certainly among a select few), spanking RM left and right regularly (RM never doing that to Barça on the other hand), legendary teams and players that will always be remembered and admired widely by football fans across the world, the GOAT winning more individual trophies than anyone else while representing the club etc. sounds like freaking dominance to me.
And let us be honest, no other team than RM has had as much luck in the CL (the very nature of that tournament format is very much based on luck and marginals) with the wins in 2016 (offside goal scored in the final), 2018 and last year largely being "banter wins". RM was only the best team in Europe in 2017 and 2014 out of those wins.
No delusion but the ground reality. Just look at how huge this thread is. Among the largest on RedCafe to date on the "football section". There are hardly any active Barça fans here either so those almost 7500 posts within just 1 year (little over 1 year in fact) are hardly imaginary "Barça" bots. Anyway I suspect that it is due to those 2009 and 2011 CL final losses mostly. Or just the massive media pull that Barça has, whatever the state of the club is. Whatever it is, it is quite cringe.
I mean the combined Barça fan accounts on RedCafe probably all have half of those 23.000 + something posts that this "Giorno" (I doubt that this guy is even a Spaniard - likely another glory hunter who picked a team based on what they won 70 years ago during the amateur era of football) madridista has to put it into perspective.
I somewhat understand the resident RM fans, they have had a hard time for the past 15 (make that 30 + years since Cruyff was appointed back in 1988 and changed the fortunes of the club forever), coming from an era of no competition during the Franco era (for them) but that is about it. Barça and Man Utd are not rivals, never have been.
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Why would i go on the forum of another club that’s just corny.
Sorry, that there could only be one state-backed team in Spain (RM) at that time (Franco era). Remains largely the case to this day BTW with almost every media in Spain being pro-RM or controlled by Papa Floren.
You have clearly been sleeping under a rock in the past 4-5 years, it seems. Bartomeu being forced to resign due to fan pressure never occurred it seems.The old guard (las vacas sagradas) being slaughtered in the local media and among fans neither. Or the toxic atmosphere within the fanbase. What a joke post.
4 CL in 16 years (2006-2022).
10 La Liga, 7 Copa del Rey, 8 Spanish Super Cups, 4 CL, 3 UEFA Super Cups and 3 FIFA Club World Cups titles in the past 18 years, orgasmic football, widely recognized as the best teams in football history (or certainly among a select few), spanking RM left and right regularly (RM never doing that to Barça on the other hand), legendary teams and players that will always be remembered and admired widely by football fans across the world, the GOAT winning more individual trophies than anyone else while representing the club etc. sounds like freaking dominance to me.
And let us be honest, no other team than RM has had as much luck in the CL (the very nature of that tournament format is very much based on luck and marginals) with the wins in 2016 (offside goal scored in the final), 2018 and last year largely being "banter wins". RM was only the best team in Europe in 2017 and 2014 out of those wins.
I’m paying attention. But as I’m only exposed to online barca fans here, maybe it’s just you dummies are poor representation of the wider barca fanbase. Cause you guys are proper embarrassing
Delicate bunch this lot
No-one is debating how much they owe their loyal players for helping them out in their hour of need.
This thread is like a honeypot to weed out Barca bots
Nah, from meeting a couple, I’d say they are quite representative
Just wait a few minutes and there will be a 437 paragraph long answer as to why they are definitely not delicate.
This thread was on p.98 at April 22… that’s more than half the pages of this thread. So from 2009/2011 to April 2022.
Then, after TWO months of nothingness, there was the next post. What do you think happened in June that made the thread more popular? Hmmmmm…
The next four months saw c90 pages.
And you think it’s had more comments because of something over a decade ago? So what were United Caf posters doing… hibernating?
Its because the truth came out about Barcas financial position, the deals they’d done, the wages they‘d ‘paid’, the deals they did this Summer (fiddling while Rome burned springs to mind) and the levers they had to pull.
We’re really not arsed about two old CL finals, get over yourself.
All 7472 posts are made by imaginary crying Barça bots who never criticize the club and who all believe that Xavi is the second coming of Pep. You and other Sherlock Holmes on RedCafe caught us all with our pants down.
Back to crying due to our marginal success in the past 15-20 years. In fact 30-35 + years.
"Always the victims". Messi is not even half as good as C. Ronaldo, the real GOAT! UEFALONA! Barça is about to COLLAPSE! THEY SOLD THEIR FUTURE AND SOUL! Barça enjoys protection in Spain!
The last part is obviously the deluded echo chamber of the Barça obsessed lot here in this thread. Tried to mimic their main "genius" takes.
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Sometimes you see a poster and you just think ‘there’s no way this moron will ever get out of the newbies’.
Mate, you are having a mare. Go lie down.All 7472 posts are made by imaginary crying Barça bots who never criticize the club and who all believe that Xavi is the second coming of Pep. You and other Sherlock Holmes on RedCafe caught us all with our pants down.
Back to crying due to our marginal success in the past 15-20 years. In fact 30-35 + years.
"Always the victims". Messi is not even half as good as C. Ronaldo, the real GOAT! UEFALONA! Barça is about to COLLAPSE! THEY SOLD THEIR FUTURE AND SOUL! Barça enjoys protection in Spain!
The last part is obviously the deluded echo chamber of the Barça obsessed lot here in this thread. Tried to mimic their main "genius" takes.
And then you remember @Cheimoon
I agree. When it comes to owing their own players money, they own every single club in the world because no other club stoops to such shameful lows.
Oh no! Who will defend Barca's honour if he lies down? Someone has to call us all obsessed for talking about Barca on a United forum. If they supported Ivan Toney, they'd call us all obsessed with Toney for talking about him on a thread about him.
We’ve paid all of our players and didn’t employ abusers. Come on now, you’re just making stuff up at this point. Don’t like how we handled de Jong at all but he got paid
They've paid Pique, Alba and Busquets? I think they still owe atleast these 3 a lot of money.
Thank god you agree on the de Jong part though. I'm not making anything up btw. Signing players left, right and center and asking existing players to take pay cuts is shameful and hasn't been done by any other club in the history of football.
They also still owe Messi money, if I remember correctly. A player no longer contracted to them.