Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!

mshnsh said:
With Pep, Barca were lucky that he turned out as good as he did but after that all the gambles have failed.

Even Enrique was not a good manager. The treble in 2015 was down to the front 3 (especially Messi) in great form.

The main change from the Guardiola days is that the midfield can no longer keep the ball as well as they used to so that the defence, which has always been poor, keeps getting brutally exposed in Europe. Pique has been the culprit in chief be it yesterday or at Roma, at Liverpool or at Juventus in the past.
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Luis Enrique was a great manager. You don't win trebles only piling up stars, you need to play effectively as a team. Do you remember Real Madrid's galácticos? Well, they won nothing from 2003 to 2006. Having Ronaldo Nazario, Luis Figo, Zinedine Zidane, Raúl González, David Beckam, Iker Casillas, Roberto Carlos, etc.
Right now with one of the weakest generations of Spanish players Luis Enrique is usually reaching final stages in all competitions.
If Xavi finally fails and my prays for Guardiola don't work out I would take Luis Enrique without a doubt.
 
MexicanCowboy said:
Right now with one of the weakest generations of Spanish players Luis Enrique is usually reaching final stages in all competitions.
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He's only managed Spain for one major tournament, the Euro 2021, where they reached the semis after overcoming sides like Poland, Slovakia in the group stage and Croatia, Switzerland in the knockouts. All well and good of course but those are all sides Spain, even with a supposedly 'weak generation' of players, are definitely expected to win against. Spain have also done reasonably well in the Nations League but then again nobody gives a crap about the Nations League. We'll see how he does in the World Cup soon.

And even so, having some manner of success managing a national team doesn't really mean anything for club football. The last two World Cup winning managers have been Didier Deschamps and Joachim Löw, how many top clubs around Europe would you say are open to considering them as serious managerial candidates when they're looking for a new coach? Could even throw the last two Euros winning managers Roberto Mancini and Fernando Santos in there and the point still stays the same.

Hell, even Gareth Southgate was doing quite well for England until very recently and there's not a chance in hell any of the top6 clubs in England would offer him a job.

In general, I would say national team management is just not very high level at the moment or in recent history. NT management is where managers usually go when they can't get the top jobs in club football anymore. There may be the odd exception like Conte for Italy in the past, Flick for Germany and maybe even Enrique for Spain right now. I think Enrique could land himself a pretty decent club job if he leaves the Spanish NT after the World Cup but I don't think he'll be a success if he does.
 
MexicanCowboy said:
Luis Enrique was a great manager. You don't win trebles only piling up stars, you need to play effectively as a team. Do you remember Real Madrid's galácticos? Well, they won nothing from 2003 to 2006. Having Ronaldo Nazario, Luis Figo, Zinedine Zidane, Raúl González, David Beckam, Iker Casillas, Roberto Carlos, etc.
Right now with one of the weakest generations of Spanish players Luis Enrique is usually reaching final stages in all competitions.
If Xavi finally fails and my prays for Guardiola don't work out I would take Luis Enrique without a doubt.
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No he wasn't. His players carried him. Tactically he was inept.
 
cyberman said:
This is a new low. They had UNICEF on it for free no that long ago. The perfect example of football gone mad
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Thank the Uefa for that. They allowed investors to bring in external money into football, because they got a big piece of the cake. So clubs without investors like barcelona are forced to do such embarrassing deals with Spotify who can decide what "music" logo barca has to wear.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Thank the Uefa for that. They allowed investors to bring in external money into football, because they got a big piece of the cake. So clubs without investors like barcelona are forced to do such embarrassing deals with Spotify who can decide what "music" logo barca has to wear.
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What are you talking about? :lol:
 
Ragnar123 said:
Thank the Uefa for that. They allowed investors to bring in external money into football, because they got a big piece of the cake. So clubs without investors like barcelona are forced to do such embarrassing deals with Spotify who can decide what "music" logo barca has to wear.
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I swear , fecking barca fans :lol:
 
To be clear, no one sensible thinks that Barcelona having sponsors is bad. It's a just a bit of banter and Barcelona fans and their holier than thou attitude are easy targets. Now for the ones that are actually into absolute drivel, "investors" or patrons in Football is older than pretty much anyone on this forum and anyone linked to UEFA. It's how Football has been financed for more than a century, the turn to self financing through sponsorship is the recent development, not the other way around.
 
JPRouve said:
What are you talking about? :lol:
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Too hard to follow? I can explain it for you. Investors blew up the football market with outside money. Clubs without a suggerdaddy, who could afford to play without a sponsor or even pay for the sponsor like barca did with Unicef before that, need to take the best offer possible nowadays to remain somewhat competitive on the market. Spotify had the best offer so barcelona took it. Or do you really think the Drake logo is club and not Spotify driven?
 
Ragnar123 said:
Too hard to follow? I can explain it for you. Investors blew up the football market with outside money. Clubs without a suggerdaddy, who could afford to play without a sponsor or even pay for the sponsor like barca did with Unicef before that, need to take the best offer possible nowadays to remain somewhat competitive on the market. Spotify had the best offer so barcelona took it. Or do you really think the Drake logo is club and not Spotify driven?
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I got your point, it's complete nonsense and shows a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to Football history. A clue, Football didn't start in the last decade or with Barcelona incompetency.
 
JPRouve said:
I got your point, it's complete nonsense and shows a complete lack of knowledge when it comes to Football history. A clue, Football didn't start in the last decade or with Barcelona incompetency.
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I never said this. But Premier League sugardaddays started to flood the market with outside money especially in the last decade, most prominent starting with Abramowitch and the result is that other clubs have to take the biggest offer on the table, and not the most ethic one. Or do you think Bayern has a Qatar sponsorship because of the good weather there?
 
Ragnar123 said:
I never said this. But Premier League sugardaddays started to flood the market with outside money especially in the last decade, most prominent starting with Abramowitch and the result is that other clubs have to take the biggest offer on the table, and not the most ethic one. Or do you think Bayern has a Qatar sponsorship because of the good weather there?
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I don't like how the Premier league allowed sugar daddies to take over but this does reek of historical illiteracy, sugar daddies where always there and where probably there in Spain as well(not mentioning government assistance) so your post does come of a bit hypocritical and spiteful, the Premier League just did it better and it's the result of the globalization and the marketing of the game.
 
Ragnar123 said:
I never said this. But Premier League sugardaddays started to flood the market with outside money especially in the last decade, most prominent starting with Abramowitch and the result is that other clubs have to take the biggest offer on the table, and not the most ethic one. Or do you think Bayern has a Qatar sponsorship because of the good weather there?
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You have two options learn about Football history or stop talking about it.
 
Real Madrid have a similar ownership structure as Barcelona and have had shirt sponsorships since at least the 80s.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Real Madrid have a similar ownership structure as Barcelona and have had shirt sponsorships since at least the 80s.
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The first kit sponsorship is if I'm not mistaken from the early 70s, in the 80s most top clubs had kit sponsors. But beyond that investors and sugar daddies aren't a new thing, it's basically how clubs and top clubs have been financed until an increase of commercialization allowed clubs to not rely on their owner or a patron, also a fair amount of top clubs are company clubs and were financed by massive corporations Juventus being the prime example, ASSE who were historically the biggest french clubs until recently were the company club of Casino, Sochaux was Peugeot, Leverkusen is/was the club of Bayer.
 
cyberman said:
This is a new low. They had UNICEF on it for free no that long ago. The perfect example of football gone mad
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At one time Barcelona used to say that their shirt was too important to have a sponsor on it. Now they just have any old tripe on it!
 
WeePat said:
Damn :lol:
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Red the Bear said:
Well that's a bit harsh :lol:
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His rhetoric is asinine. Barcelona have been a commercial success for a long time that's why they could afford to not have visible shirt sponsors but they had other sponsors and commercial involvements. And then there is the big issue of people making such points while their clubs take massive broadcasting revenues, as if it wasn't sourced from outside of Football.
 
Barca will probably be fine. But there are now 3 state funded teams out there and they don't have Messi.

Pre Messi they were always a great side but did they ever dominate like the 2009-2018 Era?

Barca could well come 'back' but this future greatness will likely never be like the Messi years because Messi coincided with Xavi and Iniesta. The best player in the world alongside a once in a lifetime set of academy players is as rare as it gets.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Barca will probably be fine. But there are now 3 state funded teams out there and they don't have Messi.

Pre Messi they were always a great side but did they ever dominate like the 2009-2018 Era?

Barca could well come 'back' but this future greatness will likely never be like the Messi years because Messi coincided with Xavi and Iniesta. The best player in the world alongside a once in a lifetime set of academy players is as rare as it gets.
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People make way too much of these state funded teams. These teams have a grand total of 0 CL since 2008. They are not that special and haven't actually built incredible teams when you look at personnel, City have been very good with a fairly normal top team, the difference is that they have a top manager.

If Barcelona stop their silly deals and dick swinging moves, they will be at the top. They are a commercial behemoth, they have an appeal that only few clubs have and they can provide a lifestyle that most regions can't.
 
JPRouve said:
You have two options learn about Football history or stop talking about it.
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I take the third option and tell unpleasant truths many people seem to forget. And stop escaping with your history. This investor bubble blew up in the last 20 years. I don't say it started there, but it blew out of proportions.
 
JPRouve said:
People make way too much of these state funded teams. These teams have a grand total of 0 CL since 2008.
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they have absolute domination of their respective leagues, PSG may struggle but the CL’s will come for the English clubs, no doubt. Especially now Madrid enter a new cycle.

One of them will win the CL this season I’m sure and then it’ll be like squeezing a ketchup bottle.
 
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