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Ballon d'Or 2021 | Lewandowski robbed again
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Made the mistake of peaking at this thread. Was there this level of bitterness from Messi fans when Ronaldo won? The fan boys here are delusional.
It was a stupid "stat" back then, it's as stupid now. He obviously wasn't "not dribbled past" that season, which you'd know if you'd watched games. Which judging by your posts, you probably don't much.
I don't understand what it is you don't understandIf the award doesn't reflect the reality of the last two years, it undermines its legitimacy more than if it wouldn't reflect only half a year. The longer the lie is sustained, the worse it gets.
Well, Messi wouldn't be in my top5 so I guess I'm one of those people. I think he played very similar season to CR7, so he should be around the same place.
That's exactly the argument though - that it's a popularity contest. You just confirmed it, so we're in agreement then. I'm completely fine with Messi winning the award as long as it is universally acknowledged that the award is not about merit, but about popularity. I'm not giving anybody an award based on merit for scoring against Ecuador and Bolivia.
Best forward in La Liga + MVP in Copa + MVP in Copa Del Rey Final + La Liga top goal scorer + Copa most assists + most MOTM awards and significantly better playmaking stats, all with an inferior Barca in a superior La Liga. VS best forward in Bundesliga + top goal scorer in 1-team league Bundesliga..
What is your merit criteria? statpadding against Augsburg or Frankfurt in inferior Bundesliga?
The way Ronaldo fans are talking, one would think Lewa won the CL & had an amazing, unforgettable Euros and yet the award was given to Messi, looks pathetic tbh.. It seems like delegitimizing Ballon D'or is the next best strategy for Ronaldo & his fans now that it became clear that he would never equal or surpass Messi on that front..
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So now 2012 was also undeserved. 
why stop there. 2009 Iniesta should have won, as he scored against Chelsea, without him, Man Utd would have second in a row. Even Rooney said Iniesta was the best player in the final.
2011: Xavi should have won, as without him Barcelona couldn't have controlled the midfield. Even Cristiano had more goals than Messi.
2015: Neymar had a great season scoring 10 goals in the UCL, also scored in the final.
So Messi has actually won no deserving Ballon D'or. Fraud.
why stop there. 2009 Iniesta should have won, as he scored against Chelsea, without him, Man Utd would have second in a row. Even Rooney said Iniesta was the best player in the final.
2011: Xavi should have won, as without him Barcelona couldn't have controlled the midfield. Even Cristiano had more goals than Messi.
2015: Neymar had a great season scoring 10 goals in the UCL, also scored in the final.
So Messi has actually won no deserving Ballon D'or. Fraud.
So now 2012 was also undeserved.
why stop there. 2009 Iniesta should have won, as he scored against Chelsea, without him, Man Utd would have second in a row. Even Rooney said Iniesta was the best player in the final.
2011: Xavi should have won, as without him Barcelona couldn't have controlled the midfield. Even Cristiano had more goals than Messi.
2015: Neymar had a great season scoring 10 goals in the UCL, also scored in the final.
So Messi has actually won no deserving Ballon D'or. Fraud.
Why stop there. The CR7 mobs even had the argument of Messi is cheating because of his HGH treatment. Just discount him as a footballer all together, easy solution for the cr7 army
Isn’t it sad that you are so invested in that inane debate that a poxy football award nobody used to give a damn about (as it was only awarded to Europeans) becomes such a sore spot?
I wonder those laughing at Sneijder's claim to 2010 ballon d'or realise that if Fifa hadn't gobbled up the ballon d'or and the voting had been done only by the journalists and not by National team captains and coaches, then Sneijder would have finished first and Messi 4th behind Xavi and Iniesta. While I agree he was ridiculously good in the league, how can people forget he had a poor WC, and got knocked out by Sneijder's Inter who won the treble.
This is surely one of the saltiest , bitter thread on the internet.
I actually thing that Snejder had a good claim. But I think the same of Messi & co. Back then hitting the numbers that Messi did was still highly unusual on top of the other stuff that Messi is known for. I agree if its best player in the team that won the most and made it the most far in far in the WC it should have to Sneidjer, or arguarbly Xavi or Iniesta. However back then it was hard to overlook what Messi was doing on a individual level. And yeah Argentina managed by maradonna was dumped out by a better managed Germany side.
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I get that Sneijder had a brilliant 2010, but there's no way he was better that year than Messi. Even Xavi and Iniesta was better players that year than Sneijder. But why the big outrage about 2010, didn't Ribery win the treble in 2013 when Ronaldo won nothing and yet Ronaldo won the Balon D'Or? As for this year - this is the prize for 2021, not for the past two years, and Messi was the best player in the world until July this year. He's had a quiet start at PSG but the Balon D'Or is hardly decided on the form the first few months after the summer.
I agree but they really need to change the format. Either it should be for 2020/2021 season and summer, or the voting should close in the end of december.
If we're gonna judge on purely performances, Messi shouldn't have won this year. Whether Xavi and Iniesta had a better year than Snejder is very, very debatable. When they met in the CL Snejder was better and kicked them out. Messi was also quiet as a mouse in that match. And yes, Ribbery was robbed, but so was Ronaldo in 2018, so that evens it out. When was Messi ever robbed? There's a few Ballon D'ors that he has now that are very debatable and I generally don't care about the Ronaldo vs Messi debate, it's not about that.
It's pointless debating with anyone who doesn't even think Messi deserved to be top 5, in fairness.
Or people accept that it is from October to October? It's not as if it changes anything.
Its supposed be for the calendar year.
Is it only some performances that matter to you? I mean fair play to Sneijder in the wc and mourinho's Inter for unlocking Barca but Messi was the greatest player to watch on average in 2010. It was before we had gotten used to Messi hitting those levels.
We can quibble about it not being from January 1st to December 31st but what would be the actual difference? It effectively changes nothing.
The only person crying and seething more than his fans is Ronaldo himself
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For you as a bias, maybe Messi was the greatest player to watch, for many more, it simple wasn't.
This ain't a contest who scored the most goal at the end of the day, there is a award for that.
You should look at the overall contribution, as you may score useless craps of goals against a wide open teams, that gives you nothing at the end of the day, and totally blew up in the important matches.
And yeah you can make a case that Ronaldo doesn't deserve it in 2013, but 2018 was a straight up robbery with the alleged rape fiasco that was obviously a set up to cost him the award, cause he was going to get in front of Messi.
It's quite an obvious at this point, that Messi is the media lover, and it's a huge propaganda him being the GOAT, and Ronaldo be the bad guy always. And after a few bad peformance they shredded him.
Yet Messi is a total waste in his new club, but there is almost no talk about it in the media. Oh, but he needs time, oh but it's a new league, new team, injury and all that nonses.
Yet Ronaldo has 1 bad match and everyone in the media is destroying him with b.c.
And at the end of the day this is about opinion. There is no way in hell Messi deserved the Golden Ball in 2010 more than Sneijder.
Best player in the CL by far, best player in Serie A by far, and pretty much best player in the whole WC by far.
And again Messi get trashed in the CL exactly by Inter, and Sneijder scored a goal, and Messi was invisible. Messi was trashed in the World Cup 4-0.
Anyway Sneijder showed up in pretty much every important match, and was clearly the leader both for Inter and Netherlands. He play a great final and give Robben a huge passing ball lead him 1 on 1 with the GK as well. Still that treble should have been enough, even if Netherlands didn't get out of the group stage, yet they end up in the final, and only Robben misses and referee, who didn't show a clear red to Puyol for being the last defender and commit a clear foul against Robben who beat him and was going 1 on 1 with the GK cost him the title. Still a new user, and can't post a media, but everyone can search the final and see it with their own eyes.
In 2013 there wasn't anyone who was in front in Bayern team, and i still think that some of their players should have won it.
I made a quite clear arguments why he shouldn't won it 2012, he missed a huge important penalty that decided the match against poor 10 man Clesea side, he was also invisible in both matches. He get trashed by Ronaldo's Real Madrid that won the league, he won Copa, that noone cares(except for biased Messi fan).
How dumb will sound if i say X guy in England should won, cause he won FA Cup, yet get trashed in CL and so ???
2019 and 2021 are an absolutely disgrace, as there was clearly better players than him by far. Copa is a junk tournament that has no qualifiers or any rules at all, you get 5 junk teams in 1 group, and 4 of them qualify for the next phase, which alone is a complete joke.
On top of that in the last 6 years that tournament has 4 appereance in 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021, which is an absolutely joke. Obviously they was going to make it, until Mesi won it eventually. It's quite clear at this point.
And don't let me start it with 2009, as they were gonna be out of the CL if it wasn't for UEFA/referee help in one of the biggest robbery in the history in the CL against Chelsea.
In the end of the day this is my opinion, and in no way in hell he deserved the ball in 2010, 2012, 2019, 2021. 4 gifted one.
This ain't a contest who scored the most goal at the end of the day, there is a award for that.
You should look at the overall contribution, as you may score useless craps of goals against a wide open teams, that gives you nothing at the end of the day, and totally blew up in the important matches.
And yeah you can make a case that Ronaldo doesn't deserve it in 2013, but 2018 was a straight up robbery with the alleged rape fiasco that was obviously a set up to cost him the award, cause he was going to get in front of Messi.
It's quite an obvious at this point, that Messi is the media lover, and it's a huge propaganda him being the GOAT, and Ronaldo be the bad guy always. And after a few bad peformance they shredded him.
Yet Messi is a total waste in his new club, but there is almost no talk about it in the media. Oh, but he needs time, oh but it's a new league, new team, injury and all that nonses.
Yet Ronaldo has 1 bad match and everyone in the media is destroying him with b.c.
And at the end of the day this is about opinion. There is no way in hell Messi deserved the Golden Ball in 2010 more than Sneijder.
Best player in the CL by far, best player in Serie A by far, and pretty much best player in the whole WC by far.
And again Messi get trashed in the CL exactly by Inter, and Sneijder scored a goal, and Messi was invisible. Messi was trashed in the World Cup 4-0.
Anyway Sneijder showed up in pretty much every important match, and was clearly the leader both for Inter and Netherlands. He play a great final and give Robben a huge passing ball lead him 1 on 1 with the GK as well. Still that treble should have been enough, even if Netherlands didn't get out of the group stage, yet they end up in the final, and only Robben misses and referee, who didn't show a clear red to Puyol for being the last defender and commit a clear foul against Robben who beat him and was going 1 on 1 with the GK cost him the title. Still a new user, and can't post a media, but everyone can search the final and see it with their own eyes.
In 2013 there wasn't anyone who was in front in Bayern team, and i still think that some of their players should have won it.
I made a quite clear arguments why he shouldn't won it 2012, he missed a huge important penalty that decided the match against poor 10 man Clesea side, he was also invisible in both matches. He get trashed by Ronaldo's Real Madrid that won the league, he won Copa, that noone cares(except for biased Messi fan).
How dumb will sound if i say X guy in England should won, cause he won FA Cup, yet get trashed in CL and so ???
2019 and 2021 are an absolutely disgrace, as there was clearly better players than him by far. Copa is a junk tournament that has no qualifiers or any rules at all, you get 5 junk teams in 1 group, and 4 of them qualify for the next phase, which alone is a complete joke.
On top of that in the last 6 years that tournament has 4 appereance in 2015, 2016, 2019, 2021, which is an absolutely joke. Obviously they was going to make it, until Mesi won it eventually. It's quite clear at this point.
And don't let me start it with 2009, as they were gonna be out of the CL if it wasn't for UEFA/referee help in one of the biggest robbery in the history in the CL against Chelsea.
In the end of the day this is my opinion, and in no way in hell he deserved the ball in 2010, 2012, 2019, 2021. 4 gifted one.
There is "no way in hell" a player deserved the Ballon D'Or in a year (Messi 2012) he had 113 goals and assists and it was a gift? I mean come on dude. Exaggeration like that really kills any credibility.
Exaggeration like that really kills any credibility.Who was by far clearly better than Messi in 2019?
We finished bottom of the group despite Lewandowski not in any way because of him. He scored 3 out of our 4 goals and was the only reason why we did not end up with the worst record of all teams. He was literally playing up there by himself and was amazing against Spain and Sweden (where he brought us back from 2-0 down to within a chance of winning). So yeah, he kind of did perform in big games for Poland, and the biggest game of the year for Bayern he just wasn’t available (vs PSG).
Yeah aside from beating a record nobody got even close to for 39 years, despite missing 5 games. Over the last 30 years only 4 times league’s top scorer got more than 30 goals in a Bundesliga season. All of those times it was Lewandowski.
You can discount Bundesliga all you want but for some reason his achievements stand out a lot. The 41 goals is basically similar to Curry’s 400 three pointers in 2015-16 NBA when nobody prior to him got over 300. Just a completely absurd stat.
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So many people clutching at straws
This newbie is C. Ronaldo.
He didn’t deserve it in 2012 or 2019? Hahaha way to lose any credibility with your argument in that. 2012 may be the best individual season by a player the last 12 years or so.
and even VVD’s teammates say Messi should have won it over VVD, so enough with that nonsense. He inarguably was the best and most deserving player in 2019. VVD had a much more balanced team than Messi did around him.
and for all the “Ronaldo bad guy” nonsense Messi came FIFTH in ballon d’or voting during a season he tied the ALL TIME assist record.
Messi tied the all time assists in a season stat and still came fifth in ballon d’or voting that year.
Lewa would’ve been a fair winner this year but bundesliga is comfortably the most lopsided league in Europe.
There is "no way in hell" a player deserved the Ballon D'Or in a year (Messi 2012) he had 113 goals and assists and it was a gift? I mean come on dude.
seriously
Said the biggest Messi fanboy on the planet, that defend him no matter what. It's hard to take you seriously when you was explaining last week how Messi was having a great game in CL, where he was invisible and terrible, and plenty of people was telling you that, and then you start changing your version, when see it ain't gonna work.
But i will give it a try, no matter the biased you are. For what exactly he deserved in 2012? For getting trashed in La Liga by Ronaldo's Real or getting trashed by 10 man Di Matteo Chelsea team, while Messi was invisible all night long(both matches), and on top of that missed a crucial penalty? That alone should been enough to not get the Golden Ball that year. As far as how many goals he was scored, there is an award for that. GB was always about contribution to the team, and winning the biggest tournaments/CL.
And 2019 was a clear VVD's award. Absolutely flawless season. Messi again was trashed big time in CL and loses exactly to that Liverpool team. Messi was invisible in the rematch they get trashed by 4-0 again. Don't care what some wannabes were saying. And i can clearly say that tons of people call that decision blatant robbery and that the GB lose it's prestige after that point and i fully agree with them.
Same for 2010, 2012, 2019 and 2021.
Also this is an award for the whole year. VVD has a perfect start in the 2019-2020 season.
As far as the teams i completely disagree. Barca was playing all in for Messi. And this season is quite obvious what's going on with him in PSG, when the whole team isn't build around it. It's fun when the team is doing good, and Messi is scoring it's all because of Messi, but you see not the team contribution to his goals, but when the team was doing bad, oh it wasn't because of Messi and all of that. I don't buy that.
But i didn't expect anything less from you. Maybe Chelsea side 2012 was stronger than Barca side that year, right?
And again how hard is for you to get that, people that aren't biased like you have their own view ??? At the end of the day everyone have their view, so anyone trying to force his opinion not going to be seen with good eyes by me.
VVD got trashed by Messi in the first game, he should be thankful to Divock Origi and Dembele, cause that's why they reached the final...which is why nobody remember how poor he was in the first game.
He didn't have a better year than Messi in 2019, if Maldini never won a Balloon D'or (being at least two tiers above VVD and being top since young age, unlike VVD who is a late bloomer), sure VVD shouldn't.
I also find kinda ironic to see Man Utd fans cheering for a Liverpool player to win an award(that he didn't deserve after all), can't imagine Liverpool fans cheering for Beckham to win an award.
Yea, that wall of text just showed a very biased and triggered person calling another person biased. Many CR7 fanboys already dismissing Messi’s 2010, 2019 and this year’s award, now this dude actually wanted to dismiss 2012 as well.
Seeing these glasshearts being that triggered made me laugh
So was mane a biased Messi fanboy as well picking Messi over VVD for ballon d’or? Picking over his own teammate?!
wake up
you’ve been getting ripped apart in this thread as you’re more biased than anyone. To downplay his 2012 is beyond moronic. So why did Ronaldo win in 2013 then? Why should Lewa win now? For getting dumped in the group stage and losing in the qf?
you’ve had one horrible take after another
Worthy Ballon d'Or winner with a single goal to his name in Ligue 1 . Janitor's contrubution to PSG domestic season is probably greater than his.
. Janitor's contrubution to PSG domestic season is probably greater than his.
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Worthy Ballon d'Or winner with a single goal to his name in Ligue 1
worthy Ballon D'or winner with no individual achievements outside farmers league, Bundesliga (imagine thinking you can win Ballon D'or by statpadding in 1-team league Bundesliga with Bayern)
You know as well as anyone else that this is a ridiculous argument
He scored 3 in 3 for a terrible Poland. What more did you expect of him?
He was injured in the QF against PSG but it's a bit messed up to hold that against him when Messi got knocked out a round earlier himself isn't it?
I understand you support Messi but a lot of Messi fans have turned to Lewandowski bashing and it's best to stay away from that
I was being sarcastic. I have zero problem had Lewa won the award this year. He’s saying Messi didn’t deserve it in 2012, I’m just going by his logic of not winning cl which somehow invalidates Messi’s entire record breaking season in 2012.
I'm getting ripped apart in this thread, by who exactly? And don't say Wolf cause he is ignored long ago, and i can't see his post.
I'm yet to see argument that can argue any of the facts i stated for 2010, 2012, 2019 and 2021.
Maybe you should read better. I already say that you can make a case for Ronaldo not winning it. But simple as that he was robbed in 2018, so he is exactly as where he should be.
And i never been bias towards him, neither i mention i that he should have won more Golden Ball, or the Balls where Messi was quite obviously gifted.
Again you are getting trashed by Di Matteo team, when you are playing under "one of the best managers" and one of the best team that is also constantly getting backup by the referee, which is a proven fact. They are 10 man whole match, you are leading, and he is invisible in both matches, and he also missed a penalty that was an absolutely decider. Also missed a coupe of other opportunity. He is trashed in La Liga by Ronaldo and Real Madrid, and they finished second. There was a decisive match between Real Madrid and Barcelona, it was pretty much La Liga title match, and guess who scored the winner for Real, yeah - Ronaldo. Sorry but this is facts.
Sorry but awarding a Golden Ball for someone who failed in the most important matches is a complete joke and straight up gifted ball.
This ain't an award for who scored most goals, again.
As far as Mane, nice try. The question was asked for him, not VVD. And there was a plenty of people who openly disagree and pretty much slam them for the robbery that year. It was a clear VVD win by far. His defending was flawless, which lead to the biggest trophy that year, and also he continue super strong and flawless it that year.
As far as 2021 i don't need to explain anything, everyone already see that Lewandowski was rightfully robbed, and everyone is saying, even it's not a secret that there is a media balloon over Messi, and he is big time protected.