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wr8_utd said:
Well atleast they backed it up with performances ;)

But berba will come good again. Maybe the return of Rooney will be good for him as some pressure will be lifted off his shoulders.
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...the return of Rooney will liven up the entire team.

It is obvious now that he started this season with all the contract issues still on his mind. But now that is behind and he sounds like to be in good training, we will see the difference in the team.
 
CentreForward said:
Berba was by far not the worst player today. But why is there no thread on say "Bad Park is back"?
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Fact is today we had a collective set of awful players. Namely Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Nani, Berbatov and Hernandez. Nani escaped the group late on by helping set up an equaliser and getting involved in our mini revival. The rest were so bad it was shameful.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Fact is today we had a collective set of awful players. Namely Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Nani, Berbatov and Hernandez. Nani escaped the group late on by helping set up an equaliser and getting involved in our mini revival. The rest were so bad it was shameful.
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They were not that bad.

The team looked disjointed and the play lacked speed. The same players were better when they knew that they needed to score.

Hernandez, Berba, Park were subbed and were overall the worst 3 performers but that does not say the rest were good.
 
Commadus said:
They were not that bad.

The team looked disjointed and the play lacked speed. The same players were better when they knew that they needed to score.

Hernandez, Berba, Park were subbed and were overall the worst 3 performers but that does not say the rest were good.
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Honestly I was ashamed of how the group I mentioned played. They were playing against reserves mate. On a good day we would have ripped that same Villa side to pieces with the same players.
 
His early season form was likely the exception and not the rule, hes capable of great performances and winning matches but just not consistantly it seems. I wouldn't say he was bad today but it was one of those forgettable performances like 3/4 of his games for us.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Honestly I was ashamed of how the group I mentioned played. They were playing against reserves mate. On a good day we would have ripped that same Villa side to pieces with the same players.
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First hafl we were happy just to play the ball and see if Villa were going to make a mistake it was a flat performance.

Only after Villa got 2 quick goals did the team pick up and start playing. We were playing like we were in an away CL match slow and methodical.

The worst part is that SAF and United have been known to always go for the win- fortune favours the brave but now we are it seems happy just to participate.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Fact is today we had a collective set of awful players. Namely Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Nani, Berbatov and Hernandez. Nani escaped the group late on by helping set up an equaliser and getting involved in our mini revival. The rest were so bad it was shameful.
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what a sad day. we are arguing who's been worst
agreed with you by the way
 
Ixion said:
His early season form was likely the exception and not the rule, hes capable of great performances and winning matches but just not consistantly it seems. I wouldn't say he was bad today but it was one of those forgettable performances like 3/4 of his games for us.
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This sums up my feelings exactly.
 
Commadus said:
First hafl we were happy just to play the ball and see if Villa were going to make a mistake it was a flat performance......
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Naah. WE wer being plaeyd off the pack by resvres. We couldn't use the ball and our movement from wingers and forwards, not to mention their touches when in possession were consitently awful. First half I lost count of how often we gave the ball back to Villa under minmal pressure. That is why after the break they realised we were having on of those days and nearly murdered us.
 
Red Dreams said:
...the return of Rooney will liven up the entire team.

It is obvious now that he started this season with all the contract issues still on his mind. But now that is behind and he sounds like to be in good training, we will see the difference in the team.
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Hopefully, Im still worried that there are still problems with Mr Rooney
 
I wasnt happy that we started dropping him / resting him after his early season form. I get doing it if its near the end of the season, but rotating him for sake of it so early into a season would not have helped him even if they were thought of as "lesser" games.

We've done that all too often in recent years. The service to him has been pretty poor and you can tell hes getting frustrating. He doesnt get the ball into him quick enough and that happened quite a few times. He should have been brought off earlier today imo, but in the second half, he looked a few times when he dropped back and searched for the ball.

I think and Hernandez is a good partnership but we arent making the use of Hernandez speed right on the last players shoulder not Berbas skill and ability to unlock a defence or find a killer ball.
 
He wasn't good but he was'nt our worst player today. I'd say Brown, Park, Hernandez and Nani played worse.
 
Berba is a world class player, but he's just not a Man United player. Man United over the years have been about hitting teams on the break with pace and we certainly have no pace in the last third at the mo. Berbatov does not have pace and he's not a player that is going to run in behind defenders dragging them all over the pitch. Admittedly he has the skill and the touch but most of the time he has his baack to goal laying the ball off back to the midfield.
People can say that the midfield do not play the killing pass through to the strikers but I dont buy that, the midfield is more or less the same as it was when we won the champions league and three league titles, its the fact that there is no movement in Berbatov making him easy to mark.
I want the bloke to do well for us but I just can't see him being big hit now or in the future and yes I feel that his attitude effects the rest of the team..
 
Commadus said:
They were not that bad.

The team looked disjointed and the play lacked speed. The same players were better when they knew that they needed to score.

Hernandez, Berba, Park were subbed and were overall the worst 3 performers but that does not say the rest were good.
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They were that bad. Don't think I've ever seen a game with so many horrendous individual errors spread so evenly amongst the team. At one point it seemed like a competition to see who could stand motionless with the ball for the longest before watching a villa player run away with it. Disgraceful stuff and every single player did the same feck-up at least once.
 
Stretfordender said:
Berba is a world class player, but he's just not a Man United player. Man United over the years have been about hitting teams on the break with pace and we certainly have no pace in the last third at the mo. Berbatov does not have pace and he's not a player that is going to run in behind defenders dragging them all over the pitch. Admittedly he has the skill and the touch but most of the time he has his baack to goal laying the ball off back to the midfield.
People can say that the midfield do not play the killing pass through to the strikers but I dont buy that, the midfield is more or less the same as it was when we won the champions league and three league titles, its the fact that there is no movement in Berbatov making him easy to mark.
I want the bloke to do well for us but I just can't see him being big hit now or in the future and yes I feel that his attitude effects the rest of the team..
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He's not, but he's a good player and I have faith he would recapture his earlier form
 
Berba is a legend. He will get another two-three year extension this summer at 100k/week. He only played ok today because we were not wearing our red kits. Without a collar to pop up like Eric, he feels a bit sad
 
Pogue Mahone said:
They were that bad. Don't think I've ever seen a game with so many horrendous individual errors spread so evenly amongst the team. At one point it seemed like a competition to see who could stand motionless with the ball for the longest before watching a villa player run away with it. Disgraceful stuff and every single player did the same feck-up at least once.
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Coming from someone who most of the time tries to give the team the benefit of the doubt it feels funny
 
kouroux said:
Coming from someone who most of the time tries to give the team the benefit of the doubt it feels funny
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Even good players have bad days and every single one of our starting XI stank the place out today. Even I can't polish that turd.

Funnily enough, with the thread that's in it, Berbatov wasn't the worst by any means. He was still shit though.
 
I just think a Hernandez-Rooney partnership would be better than a Berbatov-Rooney partnership. Nothing against him, but I think he should be benched when Rooney gets back.
 
What's quite clear is that he's massively affected by confidence. More than almost any other player at our club.

But he and Rooney are still by far and away our best two strikers and I expect to see them in tandem more often than not for the rest of the season.
 
Bad day at the office for a lot of players yesterday.

The thing about Berbatov for me is that while he's an unbelievably talented player it just doesn't produce much for us, not consistently at least. More often than not he's too deep when he picks up the ball and then slows down the attack or passes backwards.

At his best he's outstanding but for me he's not at his best enough for Man Utd. I'll support him while he's at te club and I'm sure I'll enjoy watching him at times while he's here but having watched him in his time at Utd I have to say I wouldn't be heart broken to see him gone.
 
Eyepopper said:
Bad day at the office for a lot of players yesterday.

The thing about Berbatov for me is that while he's an unbelievably talented player it just doesn't produce much for us, not consistently at least. More often than not he's too deep. Picks up the ball more often than not slows down the attack or passes backwards.

At his best he's outstanding but for me he's not at his best enough for Man Utd. I'll support him while he's at te club and I'm sure I'll enjoy watching him at times while he's here but having watched him in his time at Utd I have to say I wouldn't be heart broken to see him gone.
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This.
 
Berba looks really out of sorts at the moment but i will continue to say if the midfield dont create it's hard for any striker.
 
zub2007 said:
Berba looks really out of sorts at the moment but i will continue to say if the midfield dont create it's hard for any striker.
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The same midfield when we had Rooney, Ron, tevez blasting them in. Blaming the midfield is an easy out.

Berba is playing like he did at Tottenham - his record is pretty much the same - its that his fans made him out to be better than he actually is.

Berba is a good player - but thats it - the negative aspects of his game weigh down his positive attriubutes making him overall a good player but nothing exceptional.

I expect him to get about 12 -15 EPL goals like he did at Tottenham.
 
I think ferguson kind of admitted that Berba is a complex character, a person who has immsense highs and lows when it comes to belief in his own ability. He has the most natural and world beating talent as a footballer, but he himself doesn't see it...can't realise it, shys away from admitting it, and therefore probably constantly has self doubt which batters his confidence.

I can't see him getting a new contract tbh. I certainly don't think he deserves a pay rise!! I don't dislike him at all..but i've said this way back, he's not a united player..some are some aren't, some adapt some don't. Its always been the same at this club...
 
Still stand by my claim that Anelka should have been signed in Jan 2008 but even he would have struggled yesterday with the side being walked around the park and little service up front. Assuming he was fit to play.

If the early season form was a blip, is it possible Berbatov could be gone next summer?
 
Eyepopper said:
Bad day at the office for a lot of players yesterday.

The thing about Berbatov for me is that while he's an unbelievably talented player it just doesn't produce much for us, not consistently at least. More often than not he's too deep when he picks up the ball and then slows down the attack or passes backwards.

At his best he's outstanding but for me he's not at his best enough for Man Utd. I'll support him while he's at te club and I'm sure I'll enjoy watching him at times while he's here but having watched him in his time at Utd I have to say I wouldn't be heart broken to see him gone.
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Good post.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
They were that bad. Don't think I've ever seen a game with so many horrendous individual errors spread so evenly amongst the team. At one point it seemed like a competition to see who could stand motionless with the ball for the longest before watching a villa player run away with it. Disgraceful stuff and every single player did the same feck-up at least once.
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Pogue Mahone said:
They were that bad. Don't think I've ever seen a game with so many horrendous individual errors spread so evenly amongst the team. At one point it seemed like a competition to see who could stand motionless with the ball for the longest before watching a villa player run away with it. Disgraceful stuff and every single player did the same feck-up at least once.
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I wouldn't mind if players had bad performances because everyone is entitled to one now and again. What infuriates me is that certain players just didn't try. Every player, even when playing poorly and making individual mistakes, should be making 100% effort. Some players are guilty of not giving 100% yesterday.
 
Eyepopper said:
Bad day at the office for a lot of players yesterday.

The thing about Berbatov for me is that while he's an unbelievably talented player it just doesn't produce much for us, not consistently at least. More often than not he's too deep when he picks up the ball and then slows down the attack or passes backwards.

At his best he's outstanding but for me he's not at his best enough for Man Utd. I'll support him while he's at te club and I'm sure I'll enjoy watching him at times while he's here but having watched him in his time at Utd I have to say I wouldn't be heart broken to see him gone.
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I'd agree with this. On his day he's sensational, but his day isn't often enough for a club which is at a level of competition where it's aiming to win the majority of games we play

And I find him so frustrating at times, I'd go a step beyond the heart broken comment, I'll actually be quite relieved. I just don't think he's a United player, and if I'm honest I never have
 
Heavy doubter. In theory he's a player that should be right up my street, but I just don't think he puts it in when he needs too, and I also question his mentality to perform under the pressure of a club like United consistently. At his best there's no doubt he's class, it's been two and a half years now though and that class has been far too infrequent

I excused some of his form on the idea that he was a confidence player. I can't for the life of me understand how he can go from that Scouse hat trick to where we are again today?
 
To be fair it really doesn't take an awful lot for the Berbatov criticism to return, hes had 2 shockers recently in between two very good displays against City and Stoke, hes not scored for a few weeks and coupled with a couple of stinkers (when literally everyone else in the team was every bit as awful) it all starts up again.

Hes still second in the top scorers list, 1 behind players like Drogba who've also been patchy this season, hes had a average couple of weeks, shouldn't take away from the excellent first 2 months he gave us or the fact hes the top scorer at the club.

Looking back on yesterday i really dont know why he has been singled out, he was terrible, as were the other 10 blokes in Utd tops, he was given 1 chance all game ans wasted it, other than that due to the midfield being utter wank he got nothing by way of service, hence both he and Hernandez were largely redundant figures all afternoon.
 
B Cantona said:
I just don't think he's a United player, and if I'm honest I never have
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I've been waiting for him to turn into one, he has everything in his locker to be and I think most of us wanted to give him time to become what we thought he could be for Utd.

At this stage I think we can judge him in terms of what he's given usm and the bottom line is that, for whatever reason, that just hasn't been enough or consistent.

The past few weeks (with Rooney and other senior players out) is when we need a player like Berbatov to step up, and, as I say, while there are moments and glimpses where his skill is unreal, overall I dont think he has done, in fact I think his past 2 performances have been abysmal.
 
I think his main problem he has is in his head. He just doesn't have that cocky self believe that the top top players have. The likes of Ronaldo, Drogba, Messi etc...I've never seen a player rely so much on confidence in order to perform at the top of his game. It's very bizzare. Especially when you consider just how technically gifted he is.
 
Allforone said:
Looking back on yesterday i really dont know why he has been singled out, he was terrible, as were the other 10 blokes in Utd tops
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He hasn't been singled out?

If you're a striker and you go 9 games without scoring, and your general performances and at times attitude start to stink the place out, why do you think he attracts some criticism? It would happen to any player, even after the magnificent season Rooney had, he went a spell of games without scoring and the heat was on him

It's really tiresome and boring for people to assume United supporters have a vendetta against the player, or can't analyse his performances rationally. He's back to not doing the job again, as has been the case during the majority of his time here, and that's why so many of his own teams supporters question his capability at this club

Just the same as any clubs supporters would do of a player in similar circumstances
 
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