How do you create confidence out of nothing ?
Bad Berba's Back
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hypnosis?
Berba had an excellent pre-season, great overall play and goals, then there was the Chelsea goal and then a few more, then the hat trick. Then he had a few very good games but no goal. Then there were 2 bad bad ones. Cycles. Everyone goes through those
Rooney also used to score in patches before last season.
I am not worried
Rooney also used to score in patches before last season.
I am not worried
Yeah, his lack of self-belief seems to be his Achilles heel. I keep on hoping something will click and he'll start to play with swagger on a consistent basis. The real worry for me is that if he can't use a hat-trick against the scousers to prop up his self-esteem, what's it going to take?
I'm not reading too much into yesterday because he wasn't the worst player and he actually did some good stuff against City but I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever shake off the mental fragility that seems to have plagued his time at United. It's a real worry.
Having said all that, he has started well this season and if he goes on a similar run again starting against Wigan then I would say he's having a good enough season to merit his place in the squad.
I think rather sensibly, people realise he's a young player new to the league, and don't expect he'll be on it every single game
Of course not, Chico played it right and made sure he didn't cost £30m.
I agree that he has had a couple of bad games and the goals have dried up. I firmly believe that this is a patch and he will come out of it. Hard to figure him out, and even though he is one of my favourite players currently in football, he is not performing right now. He started the season so well. Who knows what it is with players like him, it is most certainly a number of factors and things are not too simple. Some of it is probably confidence, some of it is that he wants to succeed too much and this actually wieghs him down, especially when things are not working for him. He is one of the most brilliant players when he hits the spot and the team is playing well as a whole ( the Dipper match).
I am definitely supporting him and I am sure that the form will be found. I can't imagine giving up on a player when he is not doing well when I know how good this player actually is and can be. But this talk of selling him etc., is just not right in my view. Rooney has not done well at all since the Bayern match last spring but we know what he can do and he will find his form. Even look at the Dippers, Torres has been bad for months and he is just returning to form. I didn't hear too many people talking about selling him when he was just a shadow of himself. Most players go through rough patches and the good ones, usually find the mental strength to climb out of the hole.
I am definitely supporting him and I am sure that the form will be found. I can't imagine giving up on a player when he is not doing well when I know how good this player actually is and can be. But this talk of selling him etc., is just not right in my view. Rooney has not done well at all since the Bayern match last spring but we know what he can do and he will find his form. Even look at the Dippers, Torres has been bad for months and he is just returning to form. I didn't hear too many people talking about selling him when he was just a shadow of himself. Most players go through rough patches and the good ones, usually find the mental strength to climb out of the hole.
well said totally agree.
Not seen any, even if he is i dont think hed deserve it, he had a midfield yesterday that were utterly abysmal behind him, whats he expected to do with absolutely no service? you cant expect strikers to have great games when they have a midfield offering them nothing at all.
And Berbatovs an easy Target, one could easily slam Evra for his performance yesterday and overal rather average season, far worse than Berbatovs to date but its not mentioned.
Well said.
sorry but I think even RVN would struggle with that midfield
Yet we'd still get a whole different level or performance from him, and he'd still score goals
The midfield without Scholes does lack creativity, but its always fair to say there's not always a hell of a lot going on for the midfield to work with ahead of them
it's not just creativity we're lacking though is it? i've seen more bite in one of my whippets
Rooney scored more than 30 goals with thad midfield, the same with Ronaldo.
Rooney had Valencia providing him similar service to what Beckham provided Van Nistelrooy, what service did either of our front men have yesterday? unfortunately we dont have Valencia right now nor Rooney.
As for Ronaldo, since when did that man need service?
obviously berbatov's fault for making them look weak then
Are we still talking about football?
When did you start?
You're a killjoy Allforone.
I'm leaving (this thread, for a while).
I'm leaving (this thread, for a while).
Whilst those 2 were on the pitch Chicarito created one guilt edge change that Berba totally fluffed, he also didn't spend the entire game showing a disgusting attitude. Berba on the other hand created nothing, totally fecked up our best chance and seemed to affect the entire team with his shite attitude. The second Berba went off every single playing started playing better (especially Nani, a player Berba seems to have a big problem with, Berba or Nani? I know which one I'd choose to rely on).
Berbatov is an incredible player no doubt but I thik he just lacks the urgency, mental strength and fight to make it at this club. If was he going to do it on a consistent basis then he would have done it by now. He looked tired against Villa probably from having a decent enough game against City. I am sure he will score and play well against Wigan after having a week off but there seems to be a few fans on here that are finding it hard to accept that he might just not be the player the team needs even though he cost so much! I hope he proves me wrong!
He's been pretty average since the Liverpool game, one or two games aside. Needs to pick up the form as December is a hell of an important month for us.
I'm disappointed for him that he hasn't managed to really kick on from the Liverpool hatrick. I thought that would be the ideal way for him to really start banging in goals for us on a consistent basis - which is what we always hoped he'd do from the start. I know he's not really that type of player, he's more about technical ability, but he is a striker after all, and an expensive striker, and we'd like him to be our out-and-out striker. But he's not been great since that game, he's been ok, but he hasn't scored any goals in 2 months now - that's not good enough.
It adds to the narrative and overall mystique of Berba that he is described by his fans literally as a tortured genius who cannot control his inner deamons. Great if you are writing a movie script.
There has already been a movie made about him last season. I think Mockney made it and it was on youtube. I dont have the link though. Priceless Stuff!
Liverpool game was Berbatov's best game in United shirt... And my toughts is that he will never better that game.... He is awful... He is missing chances that should not be missed all the time....
Good post!
I don't think he'd get this much critizism if he can just at least try to hit the target more often.
Also, if he can change his sulkyness into something like defending or trying to look more determined to score, I doubt people will be having a go at him.
When things aren't going for him, he's expressing himself in a negative way and that doesn't really help the team does it ?
Also, if he can change his sulkyness into something like defending or trying to look more determined to score, I doubt people will be having a go at him.
When things aren't going for him, he's expressing himself in a negative way and that doesn't really help the team does it ?
Berbatov can only do so much with Nani, Park, Hernandez and our midfield all on different wavelength. It's as if these players have never seen each other.
I've never seen us create so few chances in games. We've got enough possession but haven't got a clue what to do with it.
He's playing badly because everyone else around him is piss poor atm.
I've never seen us create so few chances in games. We've got enough possession but haven't got a clue what to do with it.
He's playing badly because everyone else around him is piss poor atm.
Berbatov gets zero service in fairness to him. Depending on Nani, Park and Carrick to find you in a decent position must be soul destroying.
I'd like to remind that our midfield players deserv more stick than Berba does. Hes not my favourite player by any means but strikers do need decent balls from their midfielders to do anything meanigful.
Whilst this is true on occasion, he's played with Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Scholes, and an on form Carrick in the past and done about as much as he's doing now. Apart from that little burst at the start of the season which we all hoped was a sign of things to come, he's flattered to decieve, and that excellent form is now beginning to look like a flash in an otherwise frustrating pan.
He is the perfect illustration of a confidence player, when he's on song he's class but when the going gets tough he's not strong enough mentally to overcome it. That timidness is not a good trait for a United player, it can't be all sunshine and roses all the time, there are tough times to deal with in all walks of life, sadly Berba seems incapable of performing in those circumstances.
If it's all about confidence, why did everything fall apart for him after he scored a hat-trick and was given a standing ovation by United fans?
I'd agree with this. I'm a huge fan of Berbatov and I love the way he plays the game. As you say early on this season it looked like we were going to finally start seeing the best of him but for whatever reason it hasn't materialised. What can give you more confidence that scoring a hat-trick against Liverpool and getting a standing ovation?
Like Veron, he's a ridiculously talented player but for whatever reason it's just not working as well as we'd all have hoped.
So true....
This is getting ridiculous, Its not like he was the only bad player moreover he's done alright in the last few games considering the amount and quality of service our mid-field is providing to our strikers. The main problem for us is our inability to control games by dominating mid-field area and lack of creativity. But there's no point in because most of you blame Berba for everything that goes wrong, so pathetic and unfair.
It's his own fault for having such a shocking attitude on the pitch. Hell Evra who has been one of our best players in the past 3-4 years is even getting stick for his form this season.
Berbatov doesn't have enough ammunition in his locker to defend himself when he finds himself in poor form. He's simply not done enough at United to be defended.
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