No, my point was... do you think a player should take more than two years to adapt?
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No, my point was... do you think a player should take more than two years to adapt?
I was just commenting on the article, were you posting as some kind of cast iron guarantee that he wont be sold in the summer?
His donkey euro cup goals were against the same weak opposition that his champions league goals were against. They have a place.
I think we should cut our losses on him.
In 2 and a half years, he's produced precious little. I cant see him getting any better in the next couple of years.
Had we bought a striker that had produced consistently and also formed an effective partnership with Rooney, then i think we would have won another league title and been in another CL final last season.
In 2 and a half years, he's produced precious little. I cant see him getting any better in the next couple of years.
Had we bought a striker that had produced consistently and also formed an effective partnership with Rooney, then i think we would have won another league title and been in another CL final last season.
I watch a lot of Spurs matches live. More than I do United actually. Reason being I grew up in Tottenham and have friends at the club.
Anyway, I never thought that much of Berbatov back then, hence my protests when we were planning to sign him. He is a mood player essentially. When he is playing well, his entire demeanour changes, and he can be a massive player. Doesn't happen often enough though. Not nearly enough.
My one hope at the time we signed him was that Berbatov might find his 'stage' at Old Trafford, similar to Cantona. Hasn't happened though.
That's how I see it. It's not like he's been non-existent in those other games, he's just not scored!
I don't think they should, in a perfect world they would fit right in. But I can understand it taking two years yes. As long as through that period you can witness that this player has the talent or ability to justify the wait, which we've done with other players over and over again.
Excellent? Really?
This 'style of play' stuff really is the most bollocks tripe spouted. You're trying to imply we're not capable of appreciating a certain type of play... but that you are?
He's been poor, getting worse, and eventually was dropped from the squad. That should tell you he's been anything but 'excellent'
Yet again, the criticism of Berbatov is fair, and this time I think exasperates fans more than ever, because the excuse has often been that he's a confidence player... you don't get much more of a confidence boost than scoring a hat trick at Old Trafford against the Scousers. To not build on that is criminal
Everyone here will recognize he's a cracking talented player on his day. It's just his day simply isn't often enough for a club that aims to win the majority of its games. And for my money, that means he aint that good a player
CF is right that Berbatov's had just 3 poor games: Spurs, Bursa and Villa. In between the last two games he played well vs City. Didn't you put him in our top 3 performers vs City, our most important game since Liverpool?
Look at the MOM threads: he was one of our better performers vs Valencia (another important game), WBrom, Stoke. He didn't start against Sunderland, Woolvs and Wigan, the last two games were arguably the easiest, he didn't play in them at all.
His poor form in the last games coincided with Nani's poor form, Giggs's absence. Valencia and Rooney were out as well. We had problems attacking wise and this reflected on the performance of our strikers as well. The last time Chicharito was good was vs Stoke. He scored against Wigan but they were playing with 9 at that point.
When we were playing well, i.e. at the start of the season, Berbatov was playing well as well, when the team as a whole doesn't play well, he seems to struggle, hardly surprising though. Look at Chelsea. Essien and Lampard are out and Drogba and Anelka don't score.
I thought he did pretty well against City considering, not easy to play the role he did
Certainly wasn't an excellent performance, and I think they've mostly been very poor since Liverpool. And it does matter than he hasn't scored since then too
I don't think the mass majority of folks are inventing this criticism you know, and I don't think Fergie didn't include him at the weekend for no particular reason
Not good enough
Impressive knowledge of who I vote for as the third best player in a game over a month ago though, well done!
Certainly wasn't an excellent performance, and I think they've mostly been very poor since Liverpool. And it does matter than he hasn't scored since then too
I don't think the mass majority of folks are inventing this criticism you know, and I don't think Fergie didn't include him at the weekend for no particular reason
Not good enough
Impressive knowledge of who I vote for as the third best player in a game over a month ago though, well done!
The 3 games in question. Berbatov was not just poor, they were pitiful performances which he showed pretty much zero effort, particulailry the game in Turkey. The same cannot be said for Fletcher and Parks indifferent form where at least they show a certain amount of desire even if they arent producing.
And I think thats one of the main problems with Berbatov. He has this stigma attached since day one that he is lazy and fails to turn up quite a lot of the time. But shows little to to overcome the tag.
And I think thats one of the main problems with Berbatov. He has this stigma attached since day one that he is lazy and fails to turn up quite a lot of the time. But shows little to to overcome the tag.
The game vs City was 13 days ago. And he did very well, according to you. Yet, your posts imply that he gets from bad to worse with every next game.
We are talking about 3 poor games in 3 months. Which are the other games in which he was "very poor"?
Berbatov has been dreadful for more than just 3 games.
All I know hectic is that he was offered during the summer before that player chose to sign with a Spanish club that wasn't Real Madrid.
Time you went to specsavers.
This is more of the revionist rubbish.
Comparing him to Scholes just shows the depths you will plunge.
Berba is NO WAY as good as you think he is. If he was he would be tearing it up.
Accept he is a decent player which we massively overpaid. Lets keep him on as the money we spent is now a sunk cost.
Three poor games? Bit contentious but let's say alright, he's had just three bad games this year, what about the other two seasons?
I am gutted as I thought he was honestly turning the tide on his United career, but again he's showing how incredibly consistent he is in having a below-average game if best.
For argument's sake, let's say he isn't suited to United in his style of play which is therefore fair on him in justifying him being lacklustre, so yes we should cut our losses and find the right player to come in and replace him, whether that be Chicharito starting more games or selling Berbatov and buying a new striker.
Stop being a twat.
We get it, you don't think he's as good as some others. Telling them over and over again 'he's not as good as you think he is' doesn't achieve anything other than making yourself look like an even bigger twat.
If that's all you're going to do isn't it best to just, you know, ignore the Berbatov threads? Surely you don't think you're making a positive contribution by telling everyone that they're wrong and you can see the real Berbatov, you have the right expectations of him...and all that rubbish?
Sometimes I think SAF just takes the piss out of us, I mean "Dimitar is suited to playing with Wayne"...
He must be wumming?
On a serious note, if Hernadez now gets relegated to 3rd choice because "Wayne out of form Rooney is back and Dimi is suited to playing with him" it's a fecking travesty and I will pull my fecking hair out.
Let Wayne and Dimi fight for their fecking places for once, all this playing them into form is a load of shite, earn the shirt, keep the fecking shirt!
Erghh quite a few think he's not that great so you should rely on facts from time to time.
Idiots like yourself who add nothing other than excuses. You should look into becoming his legal defenders.
The truth hurts little one.
Just sell the fecker already, before he gets old and his limbs start falling off.
Eh he's already too old to get a decent fee for him. The time to sell him has really been and gone. What we need to look into doing now is giving him a new contract that better represents his contribution to the team because superstar wages are not for him.
Little one.
Time for bed, tuck yourself into your Berba Mattress the one thats stained yellow.
Pay as you play?
How many players have taken a wage cut and remained at the same club in the EPL?
I'm really, really excited about watching Rooney and Hernandez gel together. I'm confident, really confident, that by the end of the season (barring long term injury to either) Rooney and Hernandez will be showing the initial signs of a great strike partnership.
My main qualm with Berbatov, as I've voiced before, is that he doesn't worry opposition defenses. You can just see he brings them no fear, he doesn't that imposing will power that all the top, top strikers have of "I WILL score", and thus he ends up being comfortably handled.
Rooney and Herndandez are both "a right handful" and both have that intent that makes strikers worry defenders.
My main qualm with Berbatov, as I've voiced before, is that he doesn't worry opposition defenses. You can just see he brings them no fear, he doesn't that imposing will power that all the top, top strikers have of "I WILL score", and thus he ends up being comfortably handled.
Rooney and Herndandez are both "a right handful" and both have that intent that makes strikers worry defenders.
Me too, I want to see Rooney and Hernandez together as well; it wasn't until early November 1999 that Cole and Yorke were paired together for United which began the formation of a great strike-partnership, and whilst we're a good few weeks past that, there are still five or six months (and plenty of games) left for them to show this...
Mate you're as funny as AIDS so the jokes are a bit redundant.
Back to the main point? No? Better to leave it altogether than get petty then, don't you think? Wait, that was the main point... carry on.
Not sure, theres only one I'm interested in right now. Question is, if the choice were given to Berbatov to stay with decreased wages or move on to another club (and in all likelyhood the clubs to choose from arent going to be up to much and arent going to be offering big wages) then would he choose to leave?
In most cases you could argue that offering a player a new deal on decreased wages is likely to mean they dont perform too well for you. At this point in time theres nothing to lose there.
Why should he be staying with decreased wages....Rooney's the one not performing atm.
What's with the "little one" comments? Don't be such a patronising cnut.
Now you kids run along n all play nice now y'hear?
There's more than one not performing.
But only a couple of our players needing their contract situations looked at in the near future. Among those Hargreaves and Berbatov. Rooney has a new contract whether we sell him or not.
After 4 seasons if we get more of the same and facts are pointing towards that then would you want a backup player on £100k a week? If he loves the club as much as he says then we know he wants to stay then we can offer him a contract like Owen. That would be the best use of our resources.
Over 4 years we would have invested circa £55m in Berba - that is an awful lot of money - can we get more out of this investment by stiucking him on a 2 year pay as you play contract?
He wouldnt be on 100k a week, thats the whole point.
A new contract should be offered on wages that represent that he's not one of our best players and may not be an automatic starter in the coming seasons. If he were to accept the offer and come in an out of the side for a few years we could get a little more value than the sub £10 million offer we could expect to get for him in the summer.
Only one striker not performing....and he's had his wages increased in his new contract.
The new contract offer would kick in after his current contract runs out in June 2012. Getting him on a 2 year or even a rolling contract which as you mention would better reflect his role in the team ie say about 20-25 appearances would I think be good business all round. This assume Berba is willing to accept a reduced role.
Only one striker we can now sell for £40m plus. Your point is? Rooney was offered a new contract as much to lock him into a long term contract to maintain a high resale value.
You would offer Berba a 2 year extension on existing or better terms?
It's true Rooney's not performing, but neither is Berbatov and the thing is we all know Rooney will perform again and has generally been very consistent over the six years at United, whereas Berbatov has been largely inconsistent in his three seasons so far; a good four weeks including his brilliant Scouse hat-trick still doesn't justify his overall performances for us, sorry....
He's started just 9 games in the past 7 months due to injury. He scored 34 goals last season. He is our best player.
He deserves to be our highest paid player too.
Berbatov has been a massive disappointment since his big money move.
There's a big difference between the two players.
Yes I would extend his contract. I see no reason to offer him reduced terms.
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