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Aug-Sep - Berba is back, he looks amazing, feck Rooney, future is bright, YES!

Oct-Nov - Berba is back, he looks shit, spurs wouldn't even take him.

Nov-Dec - ???

January - Profit
 
I think that this is a rather interesting statistic...

Rooney has started 9 games since our 3-2 'win' against Bayern, scoring 1 goal (against West Ham).

Berbatov has played in 9 games since the match against Liverpool, scoring zero goals.

Puts Rooney's supposed lack of form into perspective, doesn't it?

Berbatov needs to get his act together and sort out his attitude quickly. No more excuses.
 
johnmufc said:
I think that this is a rather interesting statistic...

Rooney has started 9 games since our 3-2 'win' against Bayern, scoring 1 goal (against West Ham).

Berbatov has played in 9 games since the match against Liverpool, scoring zero goals.

Puts Rooney's supposed lack of form into perspective, doesn't it?

Berbatov needs to get his act together and sort out his attitude quickly. No more excuses.
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I suspect Rooney was carrying an injury.

Berba does not need excuses he is what he is - I have to accept that - you can't knock him for what he is not.
 
Hectic said:
Aug-Sep - Berba is back, he looks amazing, feck Rooney, future is bright, YES!

Oct-Nov - Berba is back, he looks shit, spurs wouldn't even take him.

Nov-Dec - ???

January - Profit
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Would be very risky to sell him in January.
 
Aha, now I know how you think Commadus!

Nov-Dec - Berba is back, YES! He is scoring and creating.

January's profit is not down to his sale, but his return of form.
 
Commadus said:
I suspect Rooney was carrying an injury.

Berba does not need excuses he is what he is - I have to accept that - you can't knock him for what he is not.
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Indeed, which gives Rooney some form of excuse.

Berbatov, though, has none. I recognise that he played fairly well against Stoke and maybe one or two other teams since the Liverpool match, but 9 games without a goal is just not good enough. Nor is his atrocious attitude.
 
Hectic said:
Aug-Sep - Berba is back, he looks amazing, feck Rooney, future is bright, YES!

Oct-Nov - Berba is back, he looks shit, spurs wouldn't even take him.

Nov-Dec - ???

January - Profit
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Too many phases Hectoid!

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caftards losing patience in berbatov and want him out.
 
Hectic said:
Aha, now I know how you think Commadus!

Nov-Dec - Berba is back, YES! He is scoring and creating.

January's profit is not down to his sale, but his return of form.
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Yes we profit if he returns to form :D
 
In fact, why bother even waiting for players to mature, or talent to materialize, or potential to invest itself.

We are Manchester United. We should be buying players, and just off the back of that, that a team like United want this player, their re-sale value should be quadrupled.

1) Buy Player
2) Sell Player
3) Profit

We don't even need to give them time. It's like a sweater. No-one wants my dirty sweater, but let Ronaldo wear it for 10 minutes, everyone now wants it.
 
Hectic said:
In fact, why bother even waiting for players to mature, or talent to materialize, or potential to invest itself.

We are Manchester United. We should be buying players, and just off the back of that, that a team like United want this player, their re-sale value should be quadrupled.

1) Buy Player
2) Sell Player
3) Profit

We don't even need to give them time. It's like a sweater. No-one wants my dirty sweater, but let Ronaldo wear it for 10 minutes, everyone now wants it.
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:confused:
 
Was it the Ronaldo analogy? I thought the whole post was pretty simple.

Buy players on a Tuesday, sell them on a Wednesday.
 
Cling Bak said:
I watched many quality performances at Spurs and expected to see many for us and perhaps more where, when surrounded by more quality, he can shine even further. A bit like Dwight Yorke, Cantona, or Carrick. But the pressure might be the biggest problem.
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To be fair to him the current team isn't as good as the ones that Yorke, Cantona and Carrick played in in the past. Even in his first season with Ronaldo and Tevez here it was difficult because both players had such big egos and our game plan was based on getting the best out of Ronnie which was fair enough given his quality.
 
Hectic said:
Was it the Ronaldo analogy? I thought the whole post was pretty simple.

Buy players on a Tuesday, sell them on a Wednesday.
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You mean buy a player Monday AM and sell him Monday PM. We are business sharks we flip players faster than Mcdonalds flips burgers.

Leaves the rest of the week to do more of the same.
 
johnmufc said:
I think that this is a rather interesting statistic...

Rooney has started 9 games since our 3-2 'win' against Bayern, scoring 1 goal (against West Ham).

Berbatov has played in 9 games since the match against Liverpool, scoring zero goals.

Puts Rooney's supposed lack of form into perspective, doesn't it?

Berbatov needs to get his act together and sort out his attitude quickly. No more excuses.
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It's not as if he hasn't been playing well though apart from one or two games, it just hasn't been going his way in front of goal recently. He hasn't been as careless as Rooney when in possession either.
 
Yes, that's more like it. Sometimes we sell a player before he's actually finished signing, that's called a 'gifted steal'.

We flip about 10-20 players in a week, we can then afford someone we actually want to keep.

You see the potential in this right?
 
Hectic said:
In fact, why bother even waiting for players to mature, or talent to materialize, or potential to invest itself.

We are Manchester United. We should be buying players, and just off the back of that, that a team like United want this player, their re-sale value should be quadrupled.

1) Buy Player
2) Sell Player
3) Profit

We don't even need to give them time. It's like a sweater. No-one wants my dirty sweater, but let Ronaldo wear it for 10 minutes, everyone now wants it.
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tbh Hectic i think the mechanism you described here is the very reason for which Benitez's net spend at Liverpool wasn't acutally bad. He bought crap players and sold them still being crap but with an ex-Liverpool player tag.
 
He did what I'm talking about with a bigger gap between brought and sold, a smaller difference in price, with worse players and a goatee on his face.
 
It's really strange how wild his form has been since the Spurs game. He followed up that match with a poor showing in Turkey but we had later learned that some players had viruses so could somewhat understand. He then had a decent game against City but a poor showing against Villa and was then completely left out of the squad for the Wigan game. SAF apparantly said "I just left him out - picking my subs today I just thought I had to give a different type of variety,". Added to that, he wanted to reward Macheda and Obertan after their impact last week which is fair enough. I guess it was a choice between him and Hernandez for a place on the bench, and with Hernandez already having shown that he can have a great impact from the bench it made total sense.

It'll be interesting to see what happens at Ibrox. SAF has pretty much said that Rooney will start, and we usually go for a five man midfield away from home in Europe so we'd have to assume Hernandez and Berbatov will be on the bench. That said it wouldn't surprise me if we went with Berbatov in behind Rooney, or vice versa. We just need more of a creative outlet.

I personally don't have a problem with his goalscoring record, as long as he's playing well then we've got a super player. Sadly he seems a bit fragile mentally and seems to let things affect him too much, so hopefully he'll get a goal soon and just step up from his performances of late when he gets back into the team. We sort of need it because we aren't creating a shed load of chances at the moment (Wigan doesn't count!) and are too reliant on Nani.
 
lesclaypool said:
so hopefully he'll get a goal soon and just step up from his performances of late when he gets back into the team. We sort of need it because we aren't creating a shed load of chances at the moment (Wigan doesn't count!) and are too reliant on Nani.
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If a hat rick at home to Liverpool doesnt give him confidence I dont think anything will
 
Randall Flagg said:
If a hat rick at home to Liverpool doesnt give him confidence I dont think anything will
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It's been a while since that game though. Here are the games that he's played in between that match and the one at Spurs where he was horrible:

Sun. 26 Bolton Wanderers 2 - 2 Manchester United
(He was ok, nothing special but kept things ticking)

Wed. 29 Valencia 0 - 1 Manchester United
(I thought he had a great game - if he scored he would've been MOTM. Classy performance, but Hernandez did the business coming off the bench)

Sat. 16 Manchester United 2 - 2 West Bromwich Albion
(Again, he was pretty decent but I think I remember him missing a sitter in the first half when we were dominating. Great play between him and Nani for Nani's goal)

Sun. 24 Stoke City 1 - 2 Manchester United
(Another very good performance, instrumental in our winning goal)

Like I said, he has had three dismal performances (Spurs, Bursaspor, Villa) and one decent one against City since. He was unhappy with being subbed off at City but we clearly weren't going flat out to win the game - or at least thought that a draw was a decent result for us. It really doesn't bother me if he isn't banging them in week in week out, I just want him to be creating things for us (he has said multiple times that he enjoys providing assists, and I think he said he even prefers it to scoring!) as we're too reliant on Nani at the moment. If creating is the thing that he enjoys most, he should be providing a bit more to the team in the final third than he has done of late. But let's see what happens over the next 5 games or so - we'll have Giggs back playing and hopefully Obertan will provide some service for the team too.
 
B Cantona said:
No need to suspect, he could barely bloody walk never mind play football!

I have no doubt it's playing him when not 100% which has had the greatest impact on his form in the summer and beyond
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We did a 'Torres' on him - brought him back too soon but I suppose it was a risk worth taking?
 
He has got to be the most enigmatic player we have ever had (and we had Cantona).

It's just hard to get a grasp on what's going on with him. There are periods were he looks better then anyone else on the pitch. Steps ahead of everyone else, perfect touch and vision and the ability to get something out of nothing. And just as quickly as he looks on his game...it all disappears and he goes 10 games without looking like he's going to score again.

I remember Tevez had moments like that, and even going back to his time with West Ham and Corinthians he had 10-11 game stretches where he didn't look like scoring, but Berba is a different animal all togather because when he doesn't score he tends to get sulky.

He's immensely gifted, and I've liked that he's wanted to be a united player. But mentally, you just wonder if he's strong enough to get through these barren spells. As a striker I think it effects him far too much when he's not scoring.
 
Devilton said:
He has got to be the most enigmatic player we have ever had (and we had Cantona).

It's just hard to get a grasp on what's going on with him. There are periods were he looks better then anyone else on the pitch. Steps ahead of everyone else, perfect touch and vision and the ability to get something out of nothing. And just as quickly as he looks on his game...it all disappears and he goes 10 games without looking like he's going to score again.

I remember Tevez had moments like that, and even going back to his time with West Ham and Corinthians he had 10-11 game stretches where he didn't look like scoring, but Berba is a different animal all togather because when he doesn't score he tends to get sulky.

He's immensely gifted, and I've liked that he's wanted to be a united player. But mentally, you just wonder if he's strong enough to get through these barren spells. As a striker I think it effects him far too much when he's not scoring.
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He's obviously immensely talented, but lacks the menal strenghts imo. And as others said, if a hattrick against Pool doesnt give him enough confidence for the rest of the season, what will
 
He's not coming good, if good means that he'll play well on a more consistent basis than he's shown us so far. After nearly two and a half years we can conclude that what we've seen now is what we get. And no, if he suddenly scores a hattrick against Chelsea or Barca, it won't prove anyone wrong, he's done that before now and slumbered back into the usual.

People still waiting for a miraculous turn-around for him to show his ability consistently can give up now. Vice versa for the people who, weirdly, hope for him to get worse so they can ridicule him even more.
 
Juventus are ready to test Sir Alex Ferguson's resolve over Dimitar Berbatov.

Juve are eyeing up Berbatov, who is having an erratic season at Old Trafford.

Since scoring seven goals in his first six games, United's record £30.75million striker has not netted in his last nine appearances.

Berbatov, 29, was so bad at Aston Villa 10 days ago that Fergie dropped him completely from his squad for Saturday's win over Wigan.

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Ask and ye shall receive I suppose...

Wouldn't sell up unless we could make a profit though, which at his age, I don't see happening.
 
holdsteady said:
Ask and ye shall receive I suppose...

Wouldn't sell up unless we could make a profit though, which at his age, I don't see happening.
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At this point getting even close to what we paid for him is an impossibility. He was never a 30 million player to begin with. Spurs paid what I consider is a fair price for him when they brought him to England. He was always a 13-16 million pound player.

The question now is can we really afford to give him a new contract when there are so many young strikers trying to break through. Will Kiko and Welbeck stick around for another 4 years? I doubt it.

Owen has to go end of this season, and if we get 10-12 million we probably need to consider selling berba as well. If only because he is unlikely to remain happy on the bench and his contract runs out in 2 years and he'll walk away for free.
 
Selling him in january is of no benefit to us at all and would be a catastrophic clusterfeck seeing as i doubt we could replace him with anything close to the required ability (cup tied clubs not wanting to sell halfway through a season etc) it would be a total waste of time and only weaken our hand unnecessarily, especially for 15 meezly million which is feck all frankly.

Bollocks story.
 
Allforone said:
Selling him in january is of no benefit to us at all and would be a catastrophic clusterfeck seeing as i doubt we could replace him with anything close to the required ability (cup tied clubs not wanting to sell halfway through a season etc) it would be a total waste of time and only weaken our hand unnecessarily, especially for 15 meezly million which is feck all frankly.

Bollocks story.
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I hear Wolfsburg and Udinese have a couple of players that aren't cup tied :smirk:

If we were offered 15 million i'd bite their fecking hand off.
 
Would be shocked if we let him go in Jan, and even though I really am not a fan of his we will need him in the hope that he gives us a handful of good games between now and the end of the season. But if that is all he gives us, I will be praying we get rid of in the summer and not offer a new contract. Because unless his form and consistency improves dramatically he simply does not deserve one.
 
johnmufc said:
I think that this is a rather interesting statistic...

Rooney has started 9 games since our 3-2 'win' against Bayern, scoring 1 goal (against West Ham).

Berbatov has played in 9 games since the match against Liverpool, scoring zero goals.

Puts Rooney's supposed lack of form into perspective, doesn't it?

Berbatov needs to get his act together and sort out his attitude quickly. No more excuses.
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No it doesn't. I'm not suggesting berbatovs been good during his drought but his overall game has been of some standards of decency. His goal return may have dropped but his overall game is still has a certain level of quality about it. Rooney has been absolute rubbish. It's doing a great disservice to bervatov to say that he's been anywhere near the poor levels Rooneys been at. The touch if an elephant, giving the ball away, as slow as heskey to react. Berbatov has been frustrating of late but you won't see his whole technique fall apart like that.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
No it doesn't. I'm not suggesting berbatovs been good during his drought but his overall game has been of some standards of decency. His goal return may have dropped but his overall game is still has a certain level of quality about it. Rooney has been absolute rubbish. It's doing a great disservice to bervatov to say that he's been anywhere near the poor levels Rooneys been at. The touch if an elephant, giving the ball away, as slow as heskey to react. Berbatov has been frustrating of late but you won't see his whole technique fall apart like that.
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Well said.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
No it doesn't. I'm not suggesting berbatovs been good during his drought but his overall game has been of some standards of decency. His goal return may have dropped but his overall game is still has a certain level of quality about it. Rooney has been absolute rubbish. It's doing a great disservice to bervatov to say that he's been anywhere near the poor levels Rooneys been at. The touch if an elephant, giving the ball away, as slow as heskey to react. Berbatov has been frustrating of late but you won't see his whole technique fall apart like that.
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True, in some games Berbs might have not scored but he was involved in build up or holding the ball. For intance the Valencia away game- he didn't score but he worked his bollocks off and was argualby our best attacking player.

Im not his fan, but imo he was much much poorer in his first season than he he has been recently.
 
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