Bad Berba's Back
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Wow! Surely even Berba's own mother wouldn't go that far
He's a fantastic player but as I've mentioned many times, his attitude on occasions stinks.
For such a creative player he too often creates diddly squat, zero, zilch, zip. Take Saturday for example, Hernadez who we all admit was awful created one guilt edge chance, as did another poor performer Evra, Nani too for that matter. Saying Berba is the most creative player in the league is just wrong. He should be considering his talent, but he isn't.
There's nothing wrong with his overall totals this season, 7 in 15 is a good return, if he keeps that up over a 40+ game season we're laughing
He started off on fire, better than we could have dreamt of. But the problem at this level is you have to keep doing it. He needed to build on Liverpool, carry through the momentum... and as a so called 'confidence' player, that's exactly what you'd expect
9 games and 2 months on without a strike, and lets be honest for the most part in the last month especially he aint even looked like scoring, and his general play has declined too... well is it any wonder these threads and perm first page, and United fans are frustrated with their Bulgarian yet again?
Wow! Surely even Berba's own mother wouldn't go that far
He's a fantastic player but as I've mentioned many times, his attitude on occasions stinks.
For such a creative player he too often creates diddly squat, zero, zilch, zip. Take Saturday for example, Hernadez who we all admit was awful created one guilt edge chance, as did another poor performer Evra, Nani too for that matter. Saying Berba is the most creative player in the league is just wrong. He should be considering his talent, but he isn't.
striker, not player
Tell me a striker who has been more creative than Berbatov since his arrival in the Prem, only Rooney is close in terms of assists and vision, Berbatov's great advantage is his first touch and ability to keep possession in the final third which is very very important in the build up. Look at his assists for Ronaldo's goal vs Wham in '08, Valencia's goal vs Woolvs and Rooney's goal vs Fulham last season and tell me another striker in the Prem who is capable of that.
Drogba, Anelka, Rooney, Van Persie
He has excellent vision yes, however so do many of the players above.
Sometimes it's excellent, sometimes is slows down our counter attacking style.
You've just named all of Berba's highlights. For everyone of them I'll give you one of these:
None of this proves anything other than how highly you are over-rating Berbatov. I'll happily admit he's the most technically gifted player in the Prem but I hate his attitude and his sulking and that's what stops him from becoming the best he can/should be.
Do you think he has a good attitude Treble?
Are you Mick McCarthy in disguise.
Drogba, Anelka, Rooney, Van Persie
He has excellent vision yes, however so do many of the players above.
Sometimes it's excellent, sometimes is slows down our counter attacking style.
You've just named all of Berba's highlights. For everyone of them I'll give you one of these:
None of this proves anything other than how highly you are over-rating Berbatov. I'll happily admit he's the most technically gifted player in the Prem but I hate his attitude and his sulking and that's what stops him from becoming the best he can/should be.
Do you think he has a good attitude Treble?
Only Rooney among those players has been as heavily involved in the build up as Berbatov. V. Persi is a wonderful player but he has been a crock. Berbatov completes 2-3 times more successful passes per game than Drogba and we talk about passes in the final third, how could you compare them creativity wise. The last season was the first in which Drogba finished with more assists than Berbatov. Anelka? He's a very good player but IMO not as good as Berbatov in linking up the play.
I criticised Berbatov for his attitude above, have you noticed that? He has to work hard and try to win the game for us, not complain about the service all the time. He's annoying in that respect.
Fair enough, I noticed that when Tevez was absent, City's quality took a nosedive.
That could be related to Mancini's spastic insistence on playing 3 DMs in midfield.
Bad Berba is a right twat.
Good Berba has potential to be great.
Potential at 30 is bullshit unless of course you're Drogba.
Good Berba has potential to be great.
Potential at 30 is bullshit unless of course you're Drogba.
Not involved today?
It would seem Fergie has clearly had enough of Bad Berba.
He'll be playing against Rangers.
Dropped? Good. Needs a kick up his arse
This is getting tiring...
No, what is getting tiring is this wierd obsession people have whereby others aren't allowed to criticise Berbatov even though he's been awful in our last 5 or 6 games.
No, it's because people criticise Berba just for the sake of criticising. Like he said, it's getting tiresome.
He's been awful since the Stoke game. If it was any other player they'd be criticised too. The only difference is that player wouldn't have legions of people coming along crying because he's getting criticised.
He's been shit lately. But yes.... how dare we criticise him.
First of all he has not been awful in our last 5 or 6 games, not even close to that when you compare him to the rest of team. Then, you do not have any evidence to support your claim that Fergie has had enough of him. We have a game coming up in midweek away and if anything, Ferguson knows his value and is preserving him for the more difficult game.
Is he dropped or injured? Bin a pretty bad month but anyone that knows beba knew his good form wouldn't last all season, as bad as it sounds.
If hes not in the squad it'll be an injury. Despite poor form, you'd want him on the bench at least.
Delighted he is not playing and I hope it is due to a kick up the arse rather than injury.
I'll have whatever he's been having thanks
Objective thinking and rationality ?
Berba bashers are delighted. A bit premature though for soon he'll be better than he was at the start of the season.
I'd suggest delusion
Why can't I objectively think Berbatov has been largely woeful for the last couple of months?
I don't understand what Red Defence says. Why would anyone criticise a United player 'for the sake of it'?
His form might have tailed off the last couple of games but the idea that he hasn't been trying and needs a "kick up the arse" is the kind of thing I'd expect to hear from lazy journalists and talkspite.
Because evidence points against it ?
Berbatov has lost some form, there is no doubt about that. His confidence has gone down, it is obvious. But to say he has been woeful when the rest of the team has been struggling to provide anything to the forwards ? That's just harsh.
People criticise Berbatov because it is trendy, because his body language plays against him when it shouldn't interfer with how you judge a player, and because he has become the scapegoat by default.
I hope so too, I said I was delighted because he has been gash recently. If not why wouldnt I want him to be playing??
as was Nani: Stoke, City, Villa and Spurs except for the last 10-15 min.
Should Nani have been dropped as well?
he hasn't been poor for months, he just hasn't scored in months
Because Berbatov hasn't been woeful for a couple of months. He hasn't scored in a couple of months...but then it's not like there've been hoards of strikers showing him up in the same time. Drogba's scored just one in the league in the same space of time, for example.
The only people who judge strikers by the number of goals they score nowadays are these simple football pundits you keep banging on about Brad, there's so much more to playing up front than there was when they were playing back in the day and I can't blame them for not accepting that, but you...I don't get it.
The only people who judge strikers by the number of goals they score nowadays are these simple football pundits you keep banging on about Brad, there's so much more to playing up front than there was when they were playing back in the day and I can't blame them for not accepting that, but you...I don't get it.
the whole team hasn't been that good for months imho
What a load of horseshit
I mean you can't possibly reason with this! Of course strikers are judged on how many goals they score, they always have and they always will be!!!
Not while he continues to make the difference in games. And especially not when we have a shortage of quality options in his position.
Berbatov has done the opposite in that time frame. And we have much better options than on the wing currently.
He was poor today. Again. I hope cw1984 won't start a "Bad Nani's Back" thread.
Because it is definite bullshit.
During that period his best performances have been decent, and his worst performances rancid
It's not been good enough by any stretch
Are you for real? Fair feck's if you don't think he's been awful since Stoke. You won't find many that agree with you though.
That was said with my tongue firmly in my cheek mate. Fergie rates him, and rightly so. I've no doubt he'll start on Wednesday.
Not only has Berbatov not scored for who knows how long, he's also been shite for the past 4 or 5 games. I'm stunned people think he's actually played well of late. Theres nothing wrong with a kick up the arse.
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