Hummels' leadership was only noticeable during interviews this season, which is why I am less keen on him signing for us than last summer. I've defended him a lot on here and I still think he's a great player, it's just that I don't want United to miss out on a talented player like Laporte, who could definitely grow into a leader himself.
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Hummels' leadership was only noticeable during interviews this season, which is why I am less keen on him signing for us than last summer. I've defended him a lot on here and I still think he's a great player, it's just that I don't want United to miss out on a talented player like Laporte, who could definitely grow into a leader himself.
I do not think you should buy players to be leaders. That has to happen naturally.
Yep. Just need 1 CB.
Great talent but we only need 1 new CB and it looks like Hummels is our main target.
Signing Laporte is like signing Hummels after his first year or two with Dortmund. Hummels would be a good signing but I'd prefer Laporte. I think he can be even better than Hummels. Great with the ball + an excellent defender who has consistency which is vital.
Just a matter of time till one of the top clubs sign him. It'll be like Javi Martínez, after his transfer everyone regretted not signing him.
Just a matter of time till one of the top clubs sign him. It'll be like Javi Martínez, after his transfer everyone regretted not signing him.
This is the one I want, if we got Clyne as well, then had Clyne, Lapotre, Smalling, and Shaw as our first choice defenders then looking at their ages we'd be good to go for the thick end of 10 years.
Hummels in 2011-2012 was unplayable. The best defender - if not player - in Bundesliga and arguably the best defender in the world. Laporte hasn't reached those heights though he is still 2-3 years younger than Hummels back then.
Would be happy with either of two but right now we need Hummels more (experience and leadership) while we can look for Laporte next season if Jones doesn't significantly improve. Hummels, Smalling, Rojo and Jones would be good enough for next season IMO.
Varane. But I'd take Laporte over Hummels given the injury problems Hummels has had.
I thought we were linked with him. Lord have mercy. Only so much a muppet can take in a day.
Laporte would be a good signing but we dont need another young defender, we need someone more experienced for Champions League campaign next season ala Hummels.
Yes we need a Hummels type, but Laporte is better than some of our younger CB's. Experience wise he is miles ahead of McNair and talent wise miles ahead of Blackett.
Why do we talk about it anyway, just because he is now a Mendes client? I mean we got linked with him earlier, but for now i dont see any links or rumours to us?
Laporte is better and more talented than any if our defenders, not just those two.
I was trying to be kind. I am just hoping that a Real or Barca aren't sniffing round. LvG says he likes working with young players.
Add Varane or Laporte to that list & thats a quality CB squad..
We get so many injuries with Jones & Smalling & there's still question marks over their quality for a whole season & not just a few months of playin well..
Totally agree
We still havent replaced Vida & Rio, so this summer is a great opportunity to achieve that..
There is no logic to have 6 senior Cb. If we sign 2 CB then one of Jones/Smalling should leave. If we sign 3 Cb (hypothetically) then sell both Jones and Smalling.
What - 6 CB's? I never said that!
So you think Evans will still be there come the summer?
He's out the door & Jones & Smalling will never be a quality partnership like we had with Rio / Vida & Brucie / Pally. Jones & Smalling have improved, but a few months doesnt make a season at United. Great teams are built upon great central defences..
Havin 5 CB's is not illogical - considering a team plays with atleast 2 & we've played with 3 CB's for large parts of the season also..
Its beyond illogical to think that Jones & Smalling are gonna be world-class. Folk on here have been sayin that since they signed for Christ sake!
Evans will be replaced with a quality CB - hopefully Hummels. If we sign more than one CB then one of Jones/ Smalling should leave. 4 CB are enough. No team has more than that.
Personally I don't think that either of them will be world class - especially Jones - so I don't have problems if we replace them. However it won't make sense to stockpile CB. If we sign one, get rid of Evans. If we sign more, get rid of someone else.
Tumeric Laporte. The Aaron Lemon thread awaits.
Jones can play backup right back i guess. I don't see Rafael sticking around next season.
Valencia will be backup right back.
He's very bad as RB though.
Seems that all links with this guy appear to of gone cold. I'd be shocked if he is still at Bilbao next season one way or another.
No thanks.
I really wouldn't be. I think he'll go to Barca (who'll meet his release clause) when their transfer ban is lifted.
Of course, if Varane goes to Chelsea then Madrid will need another centre back, and he'd be the obvious choice, but if Varane doesn't leave his club then I don't think Laporte will either.
We need about 8 given how often they are injured!
WHy would Chelsea invest into another CB, they recently bought Zouma who proved to be massive talent, Terry and Cahill are also 2nd and third best centerback in the league (after Smalling
) both injury free.. Then they have great talents like Aké and Kalas. Mou wouldn't certainly rotate 4 top centerbacks..Smalling is becoming world class if you can't see it than I am afraid you have no football knowledge, no disrepspect..
it's not that we sign player and he will become world class, center backs need time to develop, when you have Vidic and Ferdinand ahead of you in the pecking order you know you won't have many games, and when you're injured or played as RB that doesn't help you that much. Right now he's no1 CB, he's the best physically & athletically built center back in the league, he's gaining confidence finally getting games in a row and that helped him develop massively, I think he's actually a mix of Rio and Vida, great strong tackler and fantastic in the air like Vida but with little bit of elegance and athleticism like Rio who was also very fast in his prime. He doesn't need to posses any playmaking ability IMO, with the abilities he has he's all good, he's pretty good bringing the ball out of defense too, we need to pair him with other type of player who can add a little bit of technical ability IMO but I wouldn't be so rush going in the market, we already bought Rojo, who can develop and Jones albeit is quite stupid can still develop into great player, both Rojo and Jones are better than for example Koscielny in the beginning, they have potential to be better but they need to play and cut off the mistakes they do and that takes time.
And I very much doubt that you know all great center backs in Europe, it's very easy to see an odd game and judge players by that. On the other hand you have Smalling and co, you see them every week in underperforming team (3/4 of the season) and see every mistakes they make. Laporte, Hummels, Boateng and other players, they all make mistakes, I very much doubt you see all them play 30 games a season, unless you are scouting them for money..
So it's really easy to say Smalling and co are becoming top players for too long and so never will but they need time, and Smalling clearly starting to fullfill his potential at the age of 25 he can play till the age of 33 on top level with his stature.. He's also proven in the fecking premier league unlike some Spanish technical league.
Smalling + Rojo/Jones, McNair, Blackett. If Evans stays he will be a fourth choice and probably the best fourth choice in the league. He didn't say his last words, he can turn it around like Young, Fellaini, he once was the best center back in the league 3 years ago or so.. people forget good things about palyers and concentrate on negatives..
We're good with that set-up
WHy would Chelsea invest into another CB, they recently bought Zouma who proved to be massive talent, Terry and Cahill are also 2nd and third best centerback in the league (after Smalling
Cahill's form has been spotty all season and they are going to have to replace Terry eventually. Plus we sort of know that Ake and Kalas will not get much of a chance.
We'd be a hell of a lot better if Smalling was paired with Godin or Hummels. Once we get a seasoned CB in to help Smalling out we would be rock solid in the backline.
wouldn't say much better I'm still giving chance to the two, would you sell Jones or Rojo btw? if we consider Evans sold.. Both have good potentials imo. Wouldn't mind ball playing defender but as long as it's the one with pace, we already struggle with counters, and I think we will play more and more aggressive football with high line. Two pacey center backs with great recovery speed would come in handy. Godin and Hummels are the opposite
Evans is as good as gone...rafael too.
I would not sell Jones or Rojo because we need CB back ups and neither Smalling nor Hummels have spotless injury records. For that same reason I think we should keep Young and Valencia even though Depay and Clyne (most likely) are incoming.
I think Smalling and Hummels would compliment each other quite well.
True but if not I don't really see a role for him at this club if we plan on buying Hummels and Laporte/another Centre Back.
Then better to sel him rather than keeping him as RB, a position where he is poor.
I like Smalling, but his injuries deem himself as being unreliable for the 1st 11 & he seems to have shaky 1st/2nd games on his comeback too. Maybe i've imagined that, but that's my initial thoughts & i'm open to scrutiny on that of course.
We cant keep havin CB's injured all the time & then puttin in players that just do the job. They dont do the job, is the problem. We're soft in CB & all the opposition know it especially at OT.
Breaks my heart when you hear the opposition sayin they know how to beat us & where we're weak in areas. Teams havent feared us for most of the season & most certainly not away.
We need a settled team - the one that beat Pool at Anfield, Spurs & City at OT was superb. I'd have Rojo instead of Jones every game though - he's a warrior & an intimidating presence, who call play also. We dont seem to keep him fit though & even when he is fit - LVG has put him on the bench from comeback. LVG seems to be protecting him & thats spot on. Just hope he can shake off his niggles & be a stayer in the team.
My point being is; we need a bunch of solid CB's (5 atleast), who fit the description of what we need to win the league & much more next season. Aim high - when you're in it to win it.
Smalling, Rojo have shown they can be United players. Cant keep them fit though! Evans is not United class anymore - maybe never was. Sadly, he's been a complete f*ckin mess this season. Jones is way out of his league at United or anyone top 4 club. 1 good game & then 2 mediocre one's straight afterwards - sometimes complete nightmares. You only have to listen to the crowd when Jones gets on the ball - its pure panic. Especially when he's on the ball & has his back turned to the opposition. No-one trusts him. He's a constant stresser to all fans & i can only imagine what the players & management are thinkin too.
I love Sir Bobby - but "the new Duncan Edwards"? He got that so wrong, but we all do of course. We're just not high profile as Bobby is though.
Is McNair really a CB either? He looks like a roaming sort of player that cant tackle for shit centrally, nor has any physical qualities to be a presence. He's a right-wing-back imo & that should be developed pronto.
That leaves us with 2 CB's who are developing into potential United standard CB's, but have also serious question marks over their fitness. Buyin 2 CB's in the summer is not being deluded - its a necessity.
I see Carrick finishing his career at United playin CB. May that be a long wait of course, because that bloke is the heartbeat of the team & is needed in CM for aslong as possible
We cant keep havin CB's injured all the time & then puttin in players that just do the job. They dont do the job, is the problem. We're soft in CB & all the opposition know it especially at OT.
Breaks my heart when you hear the opposition sayin they know how to beat us & where we're weak in areas. Teams havent feared us for most of the season & most certainly not away.
We need a settled team - the one that beat Pool at Anfield, Spurs & City at OT was superb. I'd have Rojo instead of Jones every game though - he's a warrior & an intimidating presence, who call play also. We dont seem to keep him fit though & even when he is fit - LVG has put him on the bench from comeback. LVG seems to be protecting him & thats spot on. Just hope he can shake off his niggles & be a stayer in the team.
My point being is; we need a bunch of solid CB's (5 atleast), who fit the description of what we need to win the league & much more next season. Aim high - when you're in it to win it.
Smalling, Rojo have shown they can be United players. Cant keep them fit though! Evans is not United class anymore - maybe never was. Sadly, he's been a complete f*ckin mess this season. Jones is way out of his league at United or anyone top 4 club. 1 good game & then 2 mediocre one's straight afterwards - sometimes complete nightmares. You only have to listen to the crowd when Jones gets on the ball - its pure panic. Especially when he's on the ball & has his back turned to the opposition. No-one trusts him. He's a constant stresser to all fans & i can only imagine what the players & management are thinkin too.
I love Sir Bobby - but "the new Duncan Edwards"? He got that so wrong, but we all do of course. We're just not high profile as Bobby is though.
Is McNair really a CB either? He looks like a roaming sort of player that cant tackle for shit centrally, nor has any physical qualities to be a presence. He's a right-wing-back imo & that should be developed pronto.
That leaves us with 2 CB's who are developing into potential United standard CB's, but have also serious question marks over their fitness. Buyin 2 CB's in the summer is not being deluded - its a necessity.
I see Carrick finishing his career at United playin CB. May that be a long wait of course, because that bloke is the heartbeat of the team & is needed in CM for aslong as possible
Laporte resumes for Premier
The British team bet on the central Athletic
Manchester United does not rule out the signing of Aymeric Laporte, central Athletic next summer. French footballer was recently acquired by Jorge Mendes and the famous Portuguese FIFA agent has very good relationship with the Red Devils. This could cause another good tune arrival as we pass with Falcao this same course. It is true that Colombia has not succeeded, but confidence in Jorge Mendes remains full.
British leaders will contact the Athletic Club of Bilbao at the end of this season to ask price and Aymeric Laporte situation. After this talk with Mendes to close the deal and to renew their defense since it is the main desire of coach Louis Van Gaal. Recall that Laporte renewed with the Athletic last season and increased his buyout clause to 40 million euros. He does not look that lions are going to want to accept lower offers to those 40 kilos. The player has clearly not put pressure to leave as it is the club of his life.
The Red Devils are in great need to strengthen their defines, which could force them to spend more than they thought at first.
http://www.fichajes.net/noticias/laporte-vuelve-sonar-premier-20150502.html
The British team bet on the central Athletic
Manchester United does not rule out the signing of Aymeric Laporte, central Athletic next summer. French footballer was recently acquired by Jorge Mendes and the famous Portuguese FIFA agent has very good relationship with the Red Devils. This could cause another good tune arrival as we pass with Falcao this same course. It is true that Colombia has not succeeded, but confidence in Jorge Mendes remains full.
British leaders will contact the Athletic Club of Bilbao at the end of this season to ask price and Aymeric Laporte situation. After this talk with Mendes to close the deal and to renew their defense since it is the main desire of coach Louis Van Gaal. Recall that Laporte renewed with the Athletic last season and increased his buyout clause to 40 million euros. He does not look that lions are going to want to accept lower offers to those 40 kilos. The player has clearly not put pressure to leave as it is the club of his life.
The Red Devils are in great need to strengthen their defines, which could force them to spend more than they thought at first.
http://www.fichajes.net/noticias/laporte-vuelve-sonar-premier-20150502.html
I get the point of the article, but these translation do my head in.
I would love to see him come here but he will be very expensive because Bilbao doesn't even negotiate you either pay the buyout fee or you don't get the player.
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