Aymeric Laporte | Signed new 5 year deal with Athletic

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Haha, I like this. Moyes would have a field day scooping up some average players from the Prem.

Or we can trace Jonny Evans' heritage back to Basque country and send him over + cash.
 
Revan said:
Yes, but Phil Edwards can play anywhere and be the best player ever, while Smalling will teach Varane and Laporte how to defend. We need depth.
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Okay, yeah, it makes sense if you put it that way, except for me talking about Phil Jones, not Phil Edwards.
 
Surely we're going all out for Hummels before we even consider this fella?

And if you want to talk young left footed defenders, it would really surprise me if we weren't looking at Kongolo first. Especially since he is cheaper, just a phone call away and has already worked with Van Gaal?

But I don't think we're interested in more young defenders, unless all our other plans fail completely.
 
Revan said:
Phil 'as good as Duncan Edwards' Jones, man.
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It's been a while since Jones showed off one of his grimaces, maybe he lost them as part of his Yoga training. Or maybe I just missed them.

Anyways, I think Jones will be better than any CB or DM ever.
 
Spielmacher said:
It's been a while since Jones showed off one of his grimaces, maybe he lost them as part of his Yoga training. Or maybe I just missed them.

Anyways, I think Jones will be better than any CB or DM ever.
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He pulled a great face in the Cambridge match! You obviously weren't watching closely enough :angel:
 
Spielmacher said:
But look at the potential of those two young lads. Also, why would they have to be good on the ball, that's a myth, the midfield has to run more and show for the ball more.
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No but they could atleast be up to Man United standard on the Football and not like a pair of drunk donkeys. Like Rio Ferdinand was and even Vidic could play well from the back.
 
Offside said:
No but they could atleast be up to Man United standard on the Football and not like a pair of drunk donkeys. Like Rio Ferdinand was and even Vidic could play well from the back.
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Vidic wasn't better than Jones when it comes to passing.

The most disappointing player this season for me has been Evans though. He has to be the one we let go if we were to buy a new CB ala Laporte.
 
Phil Jones isn't even that bad on the ball. He just looks weird because of his physique. He's a bit hit or miss like Di Maria, against Cambridge he started with one perfect long ball to the left wing, followed with some poor moments.

Smalling looks like he's improving fore sure.

Offside said:
Yes he was.
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Can you imagine Vidic playing in CM against Real Madrid, playing great passes with the outside of his foot? Because that is literally what Phil Jones has already done for us.
 
Offside said:
Yes he was.
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Not for me. He had very good games against Real Madrid and Arsenal as DM where he showed what he can do in terms of passing. Edit: Jones

And I don't see why our CB's have to be passers like Pirlo. I mean, of course it doesn't hurt, but especially with LVG's style of play, build up with short passes and patient play. So far he hasn't chosen to take any risk in his play, so why not have defenders who are solid defensively and rely on the midfield when it comes to attacking.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Can you imagine Vidic playing in CM against Real Madrid, playing great passes with the outside of his foot? Because that is literally what Phil Jones has already done for us.
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True but Phil Jones is just a big unit with acceleration. I felt comfortable with Vidic on the ball, he was patient and assured and Jones is just a clumsy joke.
 
Release clauses, I tried to ignore the phrase. I've failed.

They are not simple because in real life they are hardly ever used, case law is minimal and no definitive answers to the tax question are forthcoming. In Herrera's case it's believed we paid the clause to Athletic with a small inflation increment and a development fee to Zaragosa. We didn't pay VAT because none of the transactions involved it and in any case we can claim VAT back. We haven't paid or been asked for tax.

On the income tax issue, there is only one case in the past ten years where an income tax liability was identified (this is the worst case scenario as it's the highest rate) and that was because Villareal literally gave the player the money for the transfer.

Since then the tax office has never asked for it to be treated as income by the player, because the clubs have always handled the payment in a different way - though there is no formal tax tribunal ruling on this. The LFP (Spanish pro club authority) have accepted their recession clause rule can be interpreted in terms of a similar FIFA Law - though again this has not been formally agreed in court.

Because of these issues not having been proven in court, you use the best legal advice you can and then you pay what's effectively an insurance policy that they got it right. It's an awkward, irritating process (the kind lawyers love) but in honesty it's not an impossible mountain to climb. If you think the player is worth the money.

Incidentally Athletic play their Copa semi-final second leg against Malaga on Thursday - the first leg ended up 0-0.
 
Offside said:
True but Phil Jones is just a big unit with acceleration. I felt comfortable with Vidic on the ball, he was patient and assured and Jones is just a clumsy joke.
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Vidic was no where near Jones as an on the ball player what are you talking about.
 
Vidic wasn't actually bad on the ball. He wasn't superb but he was comfortable enough and made good decisions, a bit like John Terry.

Jones can be much better given some of the runs he's made from deep, and should be much better given he's played in midfield at times. But sometimes he's just such a clumsy oaf I still can't regard him as good on the ball.
 
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RedorDead21 said:
Vidic was no where near Jones as an on the ball player what are you talking about.
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I think Vidic was fine on the ball. he only ever suffered when being shut down quickly. His actual pass accuracy was very good though - he never tried anything too extreme which limited mistakes.
 
I think Laporte would be of better use, if we signed him in the summer. It's unlikely that he will solve our current problems and it would probably be easier for him settling in. Athletic are having problems and so do we, which is never the best situation to change clubs. He'll get a lot of match practice until the end of the season and if we are going to sign him, we are going to benefit from that.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Vidic wasn't actually bad on the ball. He wasn't superb but he was comfortable enough and made good decisions, a bit like John Terry.

Jones can be much better given some of the runs he's made from deep, and should be much better given he's played in midfield at times. But sometimes he's just such a clumsy oaf I still can't regard him as good on the ball.
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Running with the ball from the back and trying productive passes if that means losing the ball is now an offence. Get with the philosophy, man.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Vidic was no where near Jones as an on the ball player what are you talking about.
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He can carry the ball because he is big and has pace but with the ball at his feet he really isn't. Vidic was assured and accurate, Jones has toblerone boots and donkey tendencies.
 
Offside said:
He can carry the ball because he is big and has pace but with the ball at his feet he really isn't. Vidic was assured and accurate, Jones has toblerone boots and donkey tendencies.
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Vidic tried nothing apart from pass to the nearest player. So comparing him with Jones is like comparing the safe cleverly with the not so safe herrera in terms of ball at the feet ability!
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Vidic wasn't actually bad on the ball. He wasn't superb but he was comfortable enough and made good decisions, a bit like John Terry.

Jones can be much better given some of the runs he's made from deep, and should be much better given he's played in midfield at times. But sometimes he's just such a clumsy oaf I still can't regard him as good on the ball.
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How good do you think Vidic would have been if he was required to do what Jones has been doing under Van Gaal? Whenever Vidic felt uncomfortable he would just boot it into touch.
 
Vidic was a really solid passer of the ball. It was those fecking dinked passes into midfield - often with his weaker foot - that absolutely did my nut in.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
How good do you think Vidic would have been if he was required to do what Jones has been doing under Van Gaal? Whenever Vidic felt uncomfortable he would just boot it into touch.
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Not good. But jones has shown nothing except clumsiness in that role as well. Jones has the ability to be far far better than vidic on the ball. He doesn't show Enough.

EiTher way id rather him having half vidic's defensive capabilities.
 
Decotron said:
Agree completely. Not sure how someone could argue differently....
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Cleverley has a great pass accuracy what has that got to do with who was the better with a ball at his feet if one player is content to pass to the nearest colleague 99/100
 
It's a stupid cliche that Vidic wasn't good on the ball, he was and he was a very competent passer of the ball, something Jones is not. Anyway, on the topic, I think we should be looking at a seasoned operator rather than another player with potential.
 
legball said:
It's a stupid cliche that Vidic wasn't good on the ball, he was and he was a very competent passer of the ball, something Jones is not. Anyway, on the topic, I think we should be looking at a seasoned operator rather than another player with potential.
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We probably are looking, but one with actual potential would be nice as well. It won't happen in January anyway. Just hope the lad doesn't get the stick that Ander got for a while when the fans thought he was going the summer before last. It was only that Herrera buckled down. Athletic are in a precarious position, so don't need the fans booing one of their defenders.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Cleverley has a great pass accuracy what has that got to do with who was the better with a ball at his feet if one player is content to pass to the nearest colleague 99/100
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wdf has that got to do with anything?

I clearly remember Vidic as a young player during that clean sheet record Serbia had, his passing amongst many other things stood out to me.

Never felt that way about Jones. I think because Vidic played alongside Rio that his passing abilty tends to get played down.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Vidic tried nothing apart from pass to the nearest player. So comparing him with Jones is like comparing the safe cleverly with the not so safe herrera in terms of ball at the feet ability!
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Rather pass to the nearest player than the opposition player.
 
legball said:
It's a stupid cliche that Vidic wasn't good on the ball, he was and he was a very competent passer of the ball, something Jones is not. Anyway, on the topic, I think we should be looking at a seasoned operator rather than another player with potential.
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This is where Hummels and Godin fit the bill. Nevertheless, we will also need that potential to replace the current "potential" that has proved to be nothing but waste.
 
Miguel Delaney saying we will try for a last ditch attempt for Hummels or Laporte before the window closes but says either player leaving is still a long shot but the chance is still there...Either one of them would be a huge boost to be honest..Our current defenders have had an unhealthy comfort zone for far too long

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/22714...h-for-mats-hummelsaymeric-laportesources-say?

Manchester United will make one last big push to sign either Mats Hummels of Borussia Dortmund or Aymeric Laporte of Athletic Bilbao over the last few days of the window, club sources have told ESPN FC.

The Old Trafford hierarchy had taken the decision to pursue only "top priority"targets and wait until the summer if they could not be bought now, but both Hummels an Laporte fall into that category, and United want to at least test the resolve of their clubs given their own ongoing issues in defence.

While the likelihood is that neither will move in January, sources say the Premier League club have had a little more encouragement over the past two weeks with both targets.

Borussia Dortmund obviously still want to keep Hummels but are privately less intransigent about the idea of a sale than they had been, and those close to the club in Germany think the ground is being prepared to make any eventual exit easier to cover. United put an informal bid in for Hummels as far back as November, sources said, and as yet have not received a flat-out rejection.
 
He has a great name = good signing!
Henrik Larsson said:
And if you want to talk young left footed defenders, it would really surprise me if we weren't looking at Kongolo first. Especially since he is cheaper, just a phone call away and has already worked with Van Gaal?
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what is he, Pizza?
 
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