Australia Tour of South Africa 2018/Ball tampering

Reputations are being unfairly tarnished. One player's family was said to be in tears on Sunday upon learning the news. Player sponsors are also nervously awaiting the findings of CA's head of integrity Iain Roy and team performance boss Pat Howard.

Fairfax Media understands senior players Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood were not aware of the plan and were shocked when they heard Smith say the leadership group knew about it.
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What the feck Smith?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...rotten-mentality-exposed-20180325-p4z671.html
 
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch. Lehman was upset at how his players were being treated by fans beforehand, it's going to get a lot worse after this.

Smith should resign as captain.
 
KM said:
What the feck Smith?
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...rotten-mentality-exposed-20180325-p4z671.html
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I'm not buying the two most senior fast bowlers having no knowledge or input into this but my main takeaway from this is that Smith has lost all respect/trust within his own dressing room and he will seriously regret using the term 'leadership group' for the rest of his career. He should have taken it all on his shoulders in the interview yesterday and he should have spoken before Bancroft.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
Possible life ban for Smith and Warner from CA. Couldn't have happened to a finer bunch.
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Would be incredibly idiotic if CA decides to ban them for life. The only crime in cricket that should have a life ban is fixing. At max, ban them for 3-4 months from all formats
 
Class of 63 said:
Australia 47-0 at tea to 107 all out (Morkel 5-23) on the fourth day

Wow, don't think i've ever seen, nor heard of an International side losing 10 wickets in a session
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England took 19 Windes wickets in a day, that was last summer
 
Captaincy in the modern game seems pretty dumbed down anyway so not much of a punishment. But life bans are stupid. That should be reserved for trying to sell out the game of cricket. People who violated doping tests didn't get life bans.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Came across this fascinating piece on England's relationship with reverse swing:

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1087925/reverse-swing--an-english-tale

Well worth a read.

There is a part of me that thinks media, ex-players etc. are going a bit OTT (or perhaps they just lack self-awareness). It's annoying to see cricket fall victim for the narrative driven rubbish seen in other sports.

With all the technology we have available now it seems silly really that umpires do not take a picture of the state of the ball at the end of every over to monitor the condition of the ball and deter tampering. How about introducing a new ball after 60 overs instead of 80?
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Superb read that, thanks for sharing.
 
I'm just catching up with the latest on this. This Aussie team have such good players but their acting up is embarrassing. Worse still is that England matched them boneheaded blow for boneheaded blow last winter and Smith didn't even need to cheat to annihilate us :nervous:.
 
The Ozzies are cheats, but we already knew that anyway. Lehmann and Smith should have been sacked last year after the incident with the review, but they got away with it. The behavior of Smith & Bancroft towards England (re Bairstow) was totally unacceptable and their conduct in this series has been atrocious. It’s clear that the current set up is morally corrupt. Lehmann, Smith and Warner should be sacked. Smith, Warner and Bancroft should be given lengthy bans. If it is also true that other senior are not aware of the premeditated cheating then Lehmann, Smith and Warner should publicly apologise to the rest of the squad.
 
jungledrums said:
Little bit of hyperbole, particularly the quoting of the tweet about corrupt politicians, as though any other country has upstanding politicians! I agree the conduct of the aus cricket team has been sickening. No need to tar the whole country :lol:
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I think the reaction of the public in Oz is one shame & disgust. Even ex players like Clarke feel badly let down.
 
Rams said:
I think the reaction of the public in Oz is one shame & disgust. Even ex players like Clarke feel badly let down.
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It is. The media is absolutely slamming them, rightly so. Criticism starts and stops with the Aus cricket team though, no need to go beyond that.
 
Gidoen Haigh, revered cricket writer for the Australian newspaper, made a great comment on SEN radio in AUS referencing Lehmann's love of the 'line'. Haigh said, ''the line, it's about time we forgot about the line. I don't want to hear about the line ever again''.
 
jungledrums said:
Little bit of hyperbole, particularly the quoting of the tweet about corrupt politicians, as though any other country has upstanding politicians! I agree the conduct of the aus cricket team has been sickening. No need to tar the whole country :lol:
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I thought that part of the article was uncalled for, and didnt bother to read the link. But the rest of the article was interesting imo.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I'm just catching up with the latest on this. This Aussie team have such good players but their acting up is embarrassing. Worse still is that England matched them boneheaded blow for boneheaded blow last winter and Smith didn't even need to cheat to annihilate us :nervous:.
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It looks like they did cheat.

Plenty of video images of Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket during the Ashes.

For me they should lose the urn and it be returned to England. Dispicable.
 
TheReligion said:
It looks like they did cheat.

Plenty of video images of Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket during the Ashes.

For me they should lose the urn and it be returned to England. Dispicable.
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Yes I just saw that! How embarrassing for them that they had to stoop so low to beat England. If that took sugar in the pockets what the hell did the Kiwis have in theirs on the first day of this last test?
 
A real concern here for the ICC is how are they going to pick up ball tampering when the host broadcaster does not show it? If Bancroft was using sugar during the Ashes, would the local broadcasters have shown it? Likewise if Faf or Markram had been tampering with the ball I highly doubt Supersport would of plastered it all over the big screen.

If we are relying on local cameramen to spot these things what is to stop the home team doing whatever they wish with the ball? Umpires need to find a way to monitor the ball better
 
Red_Beans said:
A real concern here for the ICC is how are they going to pick up ball tampering when the host broadcaster does not show it? If Bancroft was using sugar during the Ashes, would the local broadcasters have shown it? Likewise if Faf or Markram had been tampering with the ball I highly doubt Supersport would of plastered it all over the big screen.

If we are relying on local cameramen to spot these things what is to stop the home team doing whatever they wish with the ball? Umpires need to find a way to monitor the ball better
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Home teams generally get away with murder, local media clearly focuses on away teams.
 
It's looking like Darren Lehmann will lose his job. It won't solely be due to what happened on day 3 in Cape Town, it'll be a build up of things that have happened over time.
 
My big wish is that George Bailey made it as a test player and was either captain or in possession of a leadership position in this team. There is no way what happened in Cape Town would have taken place.
 
12OunceEpilogue said:
I'm just catching up with the latest on this. This Aussie team have such good players but their acting up is embarrassing. Worse still is that England matched them boneheaded blow for boneheaded blow last winter and Smith didn't even need to cheat to annihilate us :nervous:.
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How do you know. Broad put that into doubt by suggesting that the Aussies reverse swung the ball throughout the ashes.

 
Fully Fledged said:
How do you know. Broad put that into doubt by suggesting that the Aussies reverse swung the ball throughout the ashes.

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Indeed, I saw the Bancroft pictures after posting. More fool them for (possibly) stooping to cheating to beat England.
 
Rams said:
I think the reaction of the public in Oz is one shame & disgust. Even ex players like Clarke feel badly let down.
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About right. I think Cricket Australia are planning lengthy bans with up to 18 nonths for Smith.
 
Wibble said:
About right. I think Cricket Australia are planning lengthy bans with up to 18 nonths for Smith.
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No way Australia handicap themselves like that. An Australian team without Smith and Warner is the rest of the cricketing world's wet dream.
 
Red_Beans said:
A real concern here for the ICC is how are they going to pick up ball tampering when the host broadcaster does not show it? If Bancroft was using sugar during the Ashes, would the local broadcasters have shown it? Likewise if Faf or Markram had been tampering with the ball I highly doubt Supersport would of plastered it all over the big screen.

If we are relying on local cameramen to spot these things what is to stop the home team doing whatever they wish with the ball? Umpires need to find a way to monitor the ball better
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Take a picture on a phone at the end of every over, they'll know if anything peculiar is going on and it will deter teams from even trying anything funky.
 
Xaviesta said:
Gidoen Haigh, revered cricket writer for the Australian newspaper, made a great comment on SEN radio in AUS referencing Lehmann's love of the 'line'. Haigh said, ''the line, it's about time we forgot about the line. I don't want to hear about the line ever again''.
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Another great Haigh line I've seen over the last few days was one he'd written in 1995: "Teams always talk about fighting fire with fire, when one usually fights fire with water." Amen to that.
 
I've started feeling a bit of sympathy for Steve Smith in this whole case now. Definite over reaction.
Stripping him of captaincy and banning him for 5-6 test matches is fine. Some are advocating for a year ban which would be excessive.

Also people comparing this to match/spot fixing are stupid.
 
Just spitballing here, but Australia could do a lot worse than appointing Kumble as their next coach.
 
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