Ahem...
Although I think both you and Kps will be playing without wingers. Dont understand aldo. strategy though.
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Ahem...
Although I think both you and Kps will be playing without wingers. Dont understand aldo. strategy though.
Yeah I've tried to contact NoPace several times and he was last online yesterday 16:52 when the draft was all in the running.
I've told Polaroid he can make a decision on it. From my original talks with NoPace he seems like the type of guy to take a draft seriously as he's played them before. He knows they require some time and can be hard if you miss out on your pick for example.
So hopefully he will make it here. It feels VERY rough to kick him out when the draft started to satisfy certain people who were here waiting. Of course the draft shouldn't have started so quick if we knew we'd be kicking every inactive manager out for it.
I think we'd all be very upset had we been the one going away for 2 days to then see we got kicked out.
I've told Polaroid he can make a decision on it. From my original talks with NoPace he seems like the type of guy to take a draft seriously as he's played them before. He knows they require some time and can be hard if you miss out on your pick for example.
So hopefully he will make it here. It feels VERY rough to kick him out when the draft started to satisfy certain people who were here waiting. Of course the draft shouldn't have started so quick if we knew we'd be kicking every inactive manager out for it.
I think we'd all be very upset had we been the one going away for 2 days to then see we got kicked out.
Well I don't see any way around it now. The deadline has already kicked in, there won'e be any point in 16th team if he missed this round all together.
Why so? It is the least important role anyhow. It is feasible to play a tactic without wingers and there are still one third of the wide options left in the other rounds.
He can also just just say "I'd like this player from the winger round for 10m" and nobody would really care? Of course it is worse for him than had he been here but its not the end of the day.
Also Crappy, Polaroid stated that name-dropping is fully okay in this draft as it is basically the point of the draft. Raise interest for one player, or you pull a bluff so you pretend you want a value raised then you go in and steal him when the value is not raised etc etc.
It also helps everybody keep an eyes on where certain players will be available who would otherwise be hard to know. So when the positional voting comes everybody has a more clear idea on how the pool in each position looks.
He can also just just say "I'd like this player from the winger round for 10m" and nobody would really care? Of course it is worse for him than had he been here but its not the end of the day.
Also Crappy, Polaroid stated that name-dropping is fully okay in this draft as it is basically the point of the draft. Raise interest for one player, or you pull a bluff so you pretend you want a value raised then you go in and steal him when the value is not raised etc etc.
It also helps everybody keep an eyes on where certain players will be available who would otherwise be hard to know. So when the positional voting comes everybody has a more clear idea on how the pool in each position looks.
Yeah that's why we decided not to have any deadlines in this round but then you guys also kicked off the deadline.
So what do we do? Close bids after deadline that is tomorrow morning or wait? Up to you guys but you need to decide.
Personally I'd wait but it is up to Polaroid to make a call on it. I think NoPace is the type worth waiting for if he gets more active.
is it possible to implement a bid limit per round? say, 5-10 bids? that way you really have to calculate or estimate what your max is for a bid, and be careful with lure ploys. at the moment, it's just a bit wild and uncontainable the manner in which bidding processions can continue, it's simply how much someone wants a player rather then outwitting others to get to a player.
with bid limits i think it would make things much more interesting, and rounds would be much more concisely concluded.
bids would also be much more meaningful.
with bid limits i think it would make things much more interesting, and rounds would be much more concisely concluded.
bids would also be much more meaningful.
It won;t work. What happens when someone exhausts his bids and still does not have a player? It would also reduce the action and make it less fun. The main fun in an auction is a bid war between parties, why remove that?
Next round it will be a lot more like this thanks to the deadlines. If I started off with Muller for example like I did for 10m, then it had almost been 12 h before anybody bid for him.
Had it been this round I would have got him. So then there will be a big bonus in throwing all your cards out there ASAP hoping that people are too in to Cristiano vs Ronaldinho to bother with your players.
So I think that will already turn it a lot more in to a strategy than the longer version we are seeing here with no deadline.
I think the sense of time is what is lacking really, which will be added on the next round.
Yeah new dropping is fine here I guess.
But I don;t think egging on people to bid on someone by saying .. so and so is getting Player X too cheap is.
There is no different between that and naming players in some other drafts. Only reason to do it to make sure someone does not get a good deal which is not right IMO. May be you can't ban it but I would never do it. Low
Also I agree with Cutch, this draft is not for someone who can not post in this thread.
What happens if nopace shows up 5 mins before the deadline for some player and wants to raise it. PMs someone and that person does not post the bid in time?
Do we go buy the PM time stamp?
It may be harsh on him but he can play other drafts which are more newbie friendly, this one clearly is not.
What happens if nopace shows up 5 mins before the deadline for some player and wants to raise it. PMs someone and that person does not post the bid in time?
Do we go buy the PM time stamp?
It may be harsh on him but he can play other drafts which are more newbie friendly, this one clearly is not.
It is his fault if he fails to get anybody to help him out. Of course hopefully all he needs is one of the managers online.
I think you are viewing this draft too much like a regular draft. This is supposed to be quite the opposite of a regular snake draft. Here one of the fundamental ideas is that you want others to pay as much as possible for all their players - while you want to pay the minimum possible for your players.
Mind-games are essential and basically what the draft is created around. Freedom to outwit another manager, to inflate the price on their players, to vote for the positions you want and such.
You can mention their names, you can bid on them, you can bring in new players on the market that you don't rate too high and you'd love to play against - then hope somebody takes them off your hands and so forth.
What's the point though? If he ends up getting a weak team because of it, it will essentially be a bye for who ever gets him in a draw. At least in sheep draft it was your own fault with respect to the game mechanics.
Bids seem to have stabilized now. I think half the bid on now would go through. I wonder if MJJ actually wants both of Ronaldo and Goofy
My point was that we are 15 other managers who are online all day long and if people act kindly then he will have no problems at all.
Very interesting indeed. He would to pay like 10 m for all of his remaining players if he makes it through.
He can always transfer list one
Yes, I do. Didnt want silva though, glad someone took him off my hands.
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Never seen an auction work like that.
Really? I think making sure everyone runs out of money as quickly as possible is a valid strategy and people only have themselves to blame if they do. No?
Bidding for certain player yourself to drive his cost up is different that getting others to do it if someone is close to stealing a bargain.
More to the point, why doesn't he run the same thing in the newbie forum and play it with other newbs? Most on here seem to have started playing drafts there and as far as I know they are way more active over there.
Dunno, no newbie forum when I joined so no idea how it works exactly, but don't really see the point of a manager from there. Assistant sure, no probs, but not a manager. How will it work during games? Will he PM people his arguments so they make them for him?
I don't think so myself. In fact, there will be instances when people don't really have a choice. Say someone gets Zanetti for 45M, his 12 hs are through, he has RB sorted. Then someone is getting away with Cafú for 25M... You can't really bid for him but it's an absolute steal. Probably a bad example as you would wonder how he paid 45M for Zanetti while Cafú was so cheap, but you get the picture, sometimes bidding won't make sense because you no longer need the player, or have the funds.
I wouldn't have an issue with someone saying it's a steal as he isn't forcing anyone to do anything after all.
It adds another dimension if you are free to talk as well. More discussions will be going on in the thread which is positive and managers also gets updated on stuff by others then.
If I am going to sleep and I see Cafu at 15m having a deadline in 4 hours then I want to make sure that people after me are at least aware of it.
If I am going to sleep and I see Cafu at 15m having a deadline in 4 hours then I want to make sure that people after me are at least aware of it.
I doubt any managers are going to miss Cafu going for 15m
The point is relevant for some one like Enrique going for 15m. If that is happening, and someone who does not need him and can't bid for him to raise the price, comes in to wax lyrical about him to get others to bid is not different to suggesting a player to someone below you in draft so that someone else do not get him.
I mean how is this scenario different to let's say if Balu has Cryuff in a draft and has the opportunity to combine him with Nessekens if I don't pick him. For whatever reason he is not in my mind before someone explicitly mentions him in the draft thread to make sure Balu does not get him.
The point is relevant for some one like Enrique going for 15m. If that is happening, and someone who does not need him and can't bid for him to raise the price, comes in to wax lyrical about him to get others to bid is not different to suggesting a player to someone below you in draft so that someone else do not get him.
I mean how is this scenario different to let's say if Balu has Cryuff in a draft and has the opportunity to combine him with Nessekens if I don't pick him. For whatever reason he is not in my mind before someone explicitly mentions him in the draft thread to make sure Balu does not get him.
I suppose because in this draft, Balu can still get him by outbidding you rather than forever losing the player. Its all about how badly you want someone.
You can't always due to money constraints. I only raised the issue about bargains only for this reason. It is not relevant for big names. Discussing potential value of Ronaldo does not matter since he will go big no matter what
In a regular draft people are supposed to be quiet because part of the fun in a snake draft is hoping people miss out on players. The basic idea of the game is that the tension to see player after player get pick in hope of someone missing out on your desired pick.
In this draft the basic idea is the opposite, that as a contrary to a snake draft everything is open. This is an auction, if you want to talk loudly about how great a painting is before the auction you have every right to do so.
In this draft the basic idea is the opposite, that as a contrary to a snake draft everything is open. This is an auction, if you want to talk loudly about how great a painting is before the auction you have every right to do so.
I proposed the same before and it will definitely work as the caps come into place oncly after 12 hours of open bidding. Make sure you get your bids right in those 12 hours. Still you have 5 more bids to get your player in next 12 hours. The cap is to prevent 1m bids from continuously happening. It also has a distinct advantage over time bound deadline (bidding seconds before time line and cannot bid due to time zone etc)
The 2nd highest bidder has first option at the price he bidded
If he declines that first option, then the player goes back into the unpicked player pool and open for any team to bid
The team with the original winning bid but failed to come up with the funds to go through with the transfer pays the 10 mil fine
1. Annah - Reus 10m,(19:34 UKtime)
2. Polaroid - Neymar 19m,
3. AldoPaine18 - Robben 42m (2148 UK)
4. rpitroda - Beckham 52m, Ljungberg 25m Pires 36m
5. Stobzilla - Nani (10mil) Pedro (10 mil) Ronaldo (101 mil) 00:51 GMT 23/03/2014
6. Edgar Allan Pillow - Hazard (20 mil)
7. crappycraperson - Ribery 50m (8.00 UK time) , Steve McManaman (10m) ( 16.00 UK Time)
8. NM -, David Silva 20 M, Overmars 26 M
9. kps88 -
10. MJJ - Ronaldinho 85m(10:04)
11. Cutch - Kily Gonzalez 15m Joaquin 10m
12. VivaJanuzaj - Giggs(55M), Enrique 45M
13. Pippa - Zé [10M], Figo [67M]
14. NoPace
15. PaceMe -C Lopez 16m, Bale 43m
16. Fergus' son - Nedved 65m, Muller 30m
@MJJ
Because why not eh ?
2. Polaroid - Neymar 19m,
3. AldoPaine18 - Robben 42m (2148 UK)
4. rpitroda - Beckham 52m, Ljungberg 25m Pires 36m
5. Stobzilla - Nani (10mil) Pedro (10 mil) Ronaldo (101 mil) 00:51 GMT 23/03/2014
6. Edgar Allan Pillow - Hazard (20 mil)
7. crappycraperson - Ribery 50m (8.00 UK time) , Steve McManaman (10m) ( 16.00 UK Time)
8. NM -, David Silva 20 M, Overmars 26 M
9. kps88 -
10. MJJ - Ronaldinho 85m(10:04)
11. Cutch - Kily Gonzalez 15m Joaquin 10m
12. VivaJanuzaj - Giggs(55M), Enrique 45M
13. Pippa - Zé [10M], Figo [67M]
14. NoPace
15. PaceMe -C Lopez 16m, Bale 43m
16. Fergus' son - Nedved 65m, Muller 30m
@MJJ
Because why not eh ?
There is nothing wrong with 100 bids if it does not drag the process. What you are suggesting will definitely drag it down since almost everyone will wait 12 hours before making serious bids. What's the point in bidding on Ron now at all if I would get involved in another after 12 hours. Also it would reward those who wait out to make abit
I make the first bid for Ron at 81
Some one does 85.
and so on
my fifth bid is 110
other on;s fifth bid is 115
now i want to make another bid but can't. In reality both of us made 5 bids but he still got the player just because he went second.
I make the first bid for Ron at 81
Some one does 85.
and so on
my fifth bid is 110
other on;s fifth bid is 115
now i want to make another bid but can't. In reality both of us made 5 bids but he still got the player just because he went second.
Damn Stobz with a bomb here..
Indeed. Was thinking about pulling something similar here.
This is not going work Pol.
Supposes someone buys Messi for 140m and does not have money for it. The second bidder refuses since he spent it on someone as well
So by all account that player got Messi banned from the draft for a loss of 10m. Sounds like a great plan for someone who gets a big player like Ronaldo
Throwing him to the pool also does not help since many teams would have exhausted funds to buy such a player. It penalizes players who want to play the draft properly.
I don't think no name-dropping in snake drafts is about that really. It's people have this rather mad idea in their minds that their targets are some closely guarded secrets and hidden gems so if anyone mentions Neeskens there's uproar even when every single manager is bound to have considered him!
I never quite saw the point with it but people get driven up the wall so bad it's best to stick to it. Here there's no point: if you want him pay up, or shut up.
1. Annah - Reus 10m,(19:34 UKtime)
2. Polaroid - Neymar 19m,
3. AldoPaine18 - Robben 42m (2148 UK)
4. rpitroda - Beckham 52m, Ljungberg 25m Pires 36m
5. Stobzilla - Nani (10mil) Pedro (10 mil) Ronaldo (101 mil) 00:51 GMT 23/03/2014
6. Edgar Allan Pillow - Hazard (20 mil)
7. crappycraperson - Ribery 50m (8.00 UK time) , Steve McManaman (10m) ( 16.00 UK Time)
8. NM -, David Silva 20 M, Overmars 26 M
9. kps88 -
10. MJJ - Ronaldinho 85m(10:04) Giggs 60m (00:55)
11. Cutch - Kily Gonzalez 15m Joaquin 10m
12. VivaJanuzaj - , Enrique 45M
13. Pippa - Zé [10M], Figo [67M]
14. NoPace
15. PaceMe -C Lopez 16m, Bale 43m
16. Fergus' son - Nedved 65m, Muller 30m
@VivaJanuzaj
@Stobzilla
2. Polaroid - Neymar 19m,
3. AldoPaine18 - Robben 42m (2148 UK)
4. rpitroda - Beckham 52m, Ljungberg 25m Pires 36m
5. Stobzilla - Nani (10mil) Pedro (10 mil) Ronaldo (101 mil) 00:51 GMT 23/03/2014
6. Edgar Allan Pillow - Hazard (20 mil)
7. crappycraperson - Ribery 50m (8.00 UK time) , Steve McManaman (10m) ( 16.00 UK Time)
8. NM -, David Silva 20 M, Overmars 26 M
9. kps88 -
10. MJJ - Ronaldinho 85m(10:04) Giggs 60m (00:55)
11. Cutch - Kily Gonzalez 15m Joaquin 10m
12. VivaJanuzaj - , Enrique 45M
13. Pippa - Zé [10M], Figo [67M]
14. NoPace
15. PaceMe -C Lopez 16m, Bale 43m
16. Fergus' son - Nedved 65m, Muller 30m
@VivaJanuzaj
@Stobzilla
Co-signed.