The delay could have something to do with his knee injury etc.
Arturo Vidal
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If there are still any doubts about his knee this late on then sadly it has to be a no go, I just hope we have a backup plan.
Mitten saying he's definitely leaving according to his sources.
Just when the speculation was fading away, Mitten comes back to reignite the dying embers... Most here are kind of resigned to the possibility that we are passing over Vidal due to the state of his knee.
It must have been over a month or so since we supposedly asked the national team for information on his knee. We must know all there is to know about it by now. The knee situation is unlikely to miraculously change in the next two weeks.
Why are we doing all our deals through intermediate people? Herrera, Rojo and Vidal all these deals are money paid to middlemen, do we not want to deal with any clubs going forward?
Did he state why we are using intermediaries instead of Woodward or his negotiating team (if he has one)?
I'm in again.
Deadline Day this will go through on a thrilling final few hours.
Deadline Day this will go through on a thrilling final few hours.
Could be any number of reasons. Perhaps Woodward feels he isn't best suited to negotiating transfers? Perhaps Woodward has too many deals to conclude alone? I remember we used intermediaries to conclude the Mata transfer and it was suggested we did as much as to prevent Chelsea bringing up Rooney in the negotiations.
We used intermediaries to acquire Mata as well, by all reports it was felt that Woodward could not be trusted to handle the transfer.
Not convinced by what Mitten says nowadays given the fact that the leaks are very very rare...but we'll see how this one pans out.
I don't think we're in for Vidal any more, or at least not unless Juve drop their price substantially, which you'd assume they won't, but this deal seems different to the Mata one, in that the justification for that was that we wanted to avoid a dialogue regarding Rooney. Here I imagine they'd be more than happy to discuss selling someone like Chich, so I find it hard to understand unless there's an issue between the two clubs.
If United are interested in Vidal, then they are playing a game of chicken with Juventus. Luckily for us, all the other top teams are full of top midfielders, hence no one else seems to be interested in him. That FFP seems to be working in our favor if we are really interested in him.
I didn't read any reports saying that. The consensus was that he wanted to avoid opening a dialogue about Rooney.
There were no middlemen in the Herrera deal. The club just didn't want to do a voluntary sale and told us to use the release clause.
The third party in the Rojo deal were Sporting's creditors, not our middlemen.
I'd agree in that I don't think we're interested in a Vidal transfer, at least not as much as the player or the selling club anyway. Ah I just don't know what our typical transfer procedure is to be honest, I'm not sure anyone outside the club knows.
The main intermediaries in the Mata deal were Mata's agent and his dad.
Clubs use middlemen all the time, whether as a way of avoiding a row or simply as a way of avoiding wasting time. Atletico and us used intermediaries in the DdG deal. Real Madrid used Mendes to act as go between in the Ronaldo deal.
I don't really know, but if it gets us the players then I don't care how the deal is done.
We were afraid Woodward would frighten the children.
I think we did that to avoid them from bringing up Rooney in the negotiations. I am sure the intermediaries are possibly getting a cut out of the deal or a hefty payment for their services as well. Unnecessary and doesn't make sense. Or perhaps the involvement of intermediaries is normal in most transfer dealings and I am reading too much into it. I always thought the chairman and his negotiating team from United will be in charge of transfer dealings but I don't really know much about the mechanics behind transfer dealings between clubs.
There was that report that said we were finding Juventus difficult to pin down. It's possible that the change of manager has left a bit of a power vacuum. In which case it may be we're using an Italian agent to try and get it moving again.
Yeah I know. Not disagreeing with anyone - just responded to a poster saying they can't understand (if were interested) why the deal is taking so long.
If we do end up signing Vidal - the knee injury could be the only reason I can think of. But yeah, let's wait and see.
Apparently Ed Woodward just phoned up Juan Mata's dad and requested that he ask his son to join Man United. And then Juan Mata's dad was the one who made the transfer happen by telling Mourinho either to let his son play or he is taking him to another club.
This thread really has died!...a few weeks ago Andy Mittens comments would have had hundreds of replies! Now only a handful and 90 mins since the last post!
Most muppets probably conceded that this transfer is dead in the water.
So did I! But I respect Andy mitten so I'm back in
He doesn't have a clue like any other journalist. Just because he is a United fan doesn't make him any more reliable. Thankfully he stopped with his stupid transfer videos bullshit talking like he is knew something because he was with the squad in America.Mitten saying he's definitely leaving according to his sources.
If Mitten is confident of a deal then that makes me confident.
Andy Mitten says a deal is on!?
What has Andy Mitten called correctly in the past?
He's not confident of a deal, people heard one sentence and are getting ahead of themselves. He was saying it in a context of nobody knows what is going on with that saga. He said nobody here has written anything, United has denied everything, but then people in Italy were saying all sorts of things and that one source he knows said that in that guys opinion, Vidal will definitely leave. Mitten doesn't know what to believe and I'm pretty sure he mentioned he doesn't think it'll happen.
Also McDonnell was there and he said he thinks Juventus are trying to create a market for him, rather then United really pushing for him.
Mitten's conclusion is that something could happen, McDonnell that United's name is being used. Seems they are hearing the exact same things - noise out of Italy, denial/silence directly from United. Their interpretation of the information differs rather then the sources/info
Ferguson retiring, Mata joining, RVP signing... you name it.
He said his sources in Italy told him Vidal would leave the club before the deadline.
You people never learn.
If there is no offer from our side it could be because of one or more of the following from most likely to least likely (my opinion):
- United are still concerned about his knee and LvG wants to see him play
- We have not agreed a fee yet with Juventus or are unwilling to match their valuation of Vidal
- Hernandez is not willing to go to Juventus or maybe they would rather get him on loan instead of buying him outright
- Vidal is not agreeing on the personal terms offered
- We are actually not interested
On his UWS site he basically said that we're signing Mata in January and warned people not to tell people outside the site that it came from him or he wouldn't post transfers anymore! They did of course!..this was before there was much in the press about him!
If he says he'll leave Juve then I believe him, whether that's to United or not is another thing!
All aboard the muppet train. Next stop, Vidal Station!
He certainly wasn't the first one to break any of these stories. Press was all over them when he reported.
Dunno why he is regarded such a reliable source on these forums, because he clearly doesn't know more than the others. He got quite a few wrong from what I saw and each time he comes out at the end and says pretty much the same thing "if it didn't happen, doesn't mean we were not in for them, transfers are complicated, etc".
Other than that his knowledge of United is outstanding and his podcasts and articles are really really good.
Imagine if Mitten is right and Vidal does leave Juventus... But then ends up at City or Liverpool.
The caf would properly explode. And so would my head.
The caf would properly explode. And so would my head.
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