Arturo Vidal

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The Neviller said:
I disagree with most of that post, to be honest. It's not been particularly drawn out at all, and has been pretty quiet, as far as the club keeping a lid on it is concerned. Anything leaking from Juve or Vidal isn't our concern, and isn't something we can particularly control.
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See I don't get this idea of the club being quiet or noisy on transfers. With the odd exception, such as Moyes coming out and saying we'd bid for Fabregas, there's pretty much never anything official from the club on transfers. Which leaves us guessing at who has briefed what to who - some people seem to interpret this to fit some narrative they have "we've made dicks of ourselves going after this guy" or "we've kept this one nice and quiet", but at the end of the day the only real test of this is how much smoke there is in general. And in this case there is a lot of smoke.

The Neviller said:
If it gets done we've gone about it the right way, and it's only drawn out if you check for updates every minute and look into every tiny detail. People saying they're bored of this and how long it's been drawn out for are being daft. Stop reading every little snippet then. If it's going to be done it'll be done.
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Again, same for every transfer - I'm not saying that we've gone about it in the wrong way, I just don't think there's much to judge between a wrong and right way.

I remember the days before the internet, rolling news etc, and the days when I was too young to be buying newspapers etc. Every signing we made was pretty much out of the blue to me - probably didn't here about it until lunchtime in the schollyard or something. Those days are gone, and if a transfer is on the cards for a long time, there will be endless updates on it from every angle.

The Neviller said:
And I don't see how page count = how drawn out a transfer is. Some threads just draw attention and posts. Thiago had played for Bayern and picked up a longterm injury by this time last summer, and that thread was huge.
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Yes there are other factors obviously - specifically how big a name the player is and how keen people are to sign him, amongst others. But if you can't see how page count ∝ (I didn't say =) how drawn out a transfer is then your logic is lacking. Try this example:

This thread today is a little longer than this thread yesterday. Not because the player has become any more or less desirable, or because the situation has changed in any other tangible way, but because the transfer has become a little more drawn out.
 
Spielmacher said:
Yaya is better offensively, Vidal is better defensively. Overall it's a close call. Vidal is the player who would be a better fit for us.
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Vidal gets lot of goals too. I would say both are box-to-box but in recent times it looks to me that Toure gets tired a bit after his trademark runs. He is 4 year older too to Vidal.
 
The Man Himself said:
Vidal gets lot of goals too. I would say both are box-to-box but in recent times it looks to me that Toure gets tired a bit after his trademark runs. He is 4 year older too to Vidal.
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Not nearly as much goals as Yaya. Way better in pressing and tackling though, thus my point.
 
Sir A1ex said:
See I don't get this idea of the club being quiet or noisy on transfers. With the odd exception, such as Moyes coming out and saying we'd bid for Fabregas, there's pretty much never anything official from the club on transfers. Which leaves us guessing at who has briefed what to who - some people seem to interpret this to fit some narrative they have "we've made dicks of ourselves going after this guy" or "we've kept this one nice and quiet", but at the end of the day the only real test of this is how much smoke there is in general. And in this case there is a lot of smoke.



Again, same for every transfer - I'm not saying that we've gone about it in the wrong way, I just don't think there's much to judge between a wrong and right way.

I remember the days before the internet, rolling news etc, and the days when I was too young to be buying newspapers etc. Every signing we made was pretty much out of the blue to me - probably didn't here about it until lunchtime in the schollyard or something. Those days are gone, and if a transfer is on the cards for a long time, there will be endless updates on it from every angle.



Yes there are other factors obviously - specifically how big a name the player is and how keen people are to sign him, amongst others. But if you can't see how page count ∝ (I didn't say =) how drawn out a transfer is then your logic is lacking. Try this example:

This thread today is a little longer than this thread yesterday. Not because the player has become any more or less desirable, or because the situation has changed in any other tangible way, but because the transfer has become a little more drawn out.
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I guess we'll just hage to agree to disagree on it. I reckon if you stepped away from this thread and twitter, this transfer hasn't been "drawn out" at all.
 
StanleyCupboard said:
Stop. Posting. Shit. Nobodies. Who. Know. F*ck. All.

"Over 59k followers", bloody hell. Did you not notice he's also following over 59k? Probably bought them, or joined a followback chain.
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This. There's far too much Twitter bollocks in this thread.

If it's not a mainstream journo then don't bother with it.
 
Vidal has a much better overall game than Toure, but I couldn't say that Toure is the greater weapon. His offensive play is the best I've seen in the past couple of years from a CM, an absolute bulldozer.
 
Sir A1ex said:
:lol:

So you spotted the triangles in his hairstyle?
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Oh yes, *taps nose* all the symbolism is there, like a tapestry across his body and hair.


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re. Vidal and his predicament if we are indeed wanting some kind of thorough examination of his knee before bidding: it's a precarious position for him to be in because if he did fail those tests and we then 'pulled out' of a deal we may or may not be in on, he then has to stay at Juve or hope another club comes in for him. If word of any of that came out, he'd lose his iconic status and very probably be turned on by a fanbase that know the only reason he stuck around is because he couldn't pass a medical.

I should think any declaration on his end would only come about once he was given full assurance we were going through with a bid and had no reservation whatsoever in buying him, negotiations withstanding.

From Juve's point of view, pretty much the same thing probably applies; they aren't going to want to demonize a star player who may end up staying, so it makes perfect sense to not say anything negative about him until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed on their payments from us.

For as long as it takes for us to be satisfied with Vidal's knee, there's absolutely no reason for any party involved to offer any new soundbites over recycling the drivel that's been spouted for the last six weeks ad nauseum.
 
Spielmacher said:
Yaya is better offensively, Vidal is better defensively. Overall it's a close call. Vidal is the player who would be a better fit for us.
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I think Vidal is really close to Yaya offensively at the moment. Yaya has better technique and close control but Vidal is not that far behind. His positional sense imo is on par with Yaya.

Where he also excels is that he has better engine than Yaya and provides more aggression and determination. As mentioned he's also younger than Yaya and at his absolute peak at the moment. Yaya will soon be on the slide.

Spielmacher said:
Not nearly as much goals as Yaya. Way better in pressing and tackling though, thus my point.
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Well judging from last season, Vidal has 18 goals in 46 games and Yaya has 24 in 49. They are not that much apart.
 
I'd love to know how often people have actually seen him play to be making some of the claims I'm seeing.
 
Toure is a bulldozer at times it's almost impossible trying to get the ball from him.

Vidal I'd say has a better overall game but Toure's attacking influence and output is better.
 
Rado_N said:
I'd love to know how often people have actually seen him play to be making some of the claims I'm seeing.
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He plays in one of the big leagues, so I can imagine a lot more than someone like Blind playing in AJAX.
 
Spielmacher said:
Not nearly as much goals as Yaya. Way better in pressing and tackling though, thus my point.
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That's not entirely correct mate. :)

Vidal :

2013/ 2014 : 19
2012/ 2013 : 15
2011/ 2012 : 7
2010/ 2011 : 12


Toure :

2013/ 2014 : 22
2012/ 2013 : 10
2011/ 2012 : 9
2010/ 2011 : 12

The only edge Toure has over Vidal is slightly better passing ability and maybe greater physical presence. But defensively Vidal is more sound and has better workrate.
 
Spielmacher said:
Not nearly as much goals as Yaya. Way better in pressing and tackling though, thus my point.
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Last season Yaya got shitload of goals. 24 in 49 games but previous to that he had around 9-10 each season in 50 odd games. Toure's stats show 51 goals for City in 184 games. Vidal has 38 in 110 odd games for Juventus :)
 
The Neviller said:
I guess we'll just hage to agree to disagree on it. I reckon if you stepped away from this thread and twitter, this transfer hasn't been "drawn out" at all.
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I guess we will. I think we have different ideas of "drawn out" means - for me I can only judge it onthe length of time that there are peristent stories about a transfer, and given that this one has been going from the end of the season, it's right up there.
 
The Man Himself said:
Last season Yaya got shitload of goals. 24 in 49 games but previous to that he had around 9-10 each season in 50 odd games. Toure's stats show 51 goals for City in 184 games. Vidal has 38 in 110 odd games for Juventus :)
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Yaya 0,277 goals/game
Vidal 0,345 goals/game

Make of it what you want..
 
Blair said:
Vidal playing in a piss easy league mind you.
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I don't think so. This is a bit of a misnomer that has gathered some momentum over the years. The Serie A is really good defensively and tactically. It's not that easy to score.
 
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