He is a bit, but he's right. You discredited the Herrera deal basically because triggering a release clause doesn't count, which is daft.
Arturo Vidal
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I think there's a wee meltdown happening in here.
Don't mention the word "meltdown" , you'll upset @Pexbo
From a negotiation aspect it wasn't difficult for Woodword to conclude the deal. We, as a club, have found deals of this magnitude difficult in the past. Sure we made a balls of Herrera last summer. I hope Woodword's learned his lesson and I am prepared to be patient, fingers crossed...
I didn't say we had, I said you couldn't make a sweeping statement and say "we won't do this deal because we've never done it before" because things have changed. The club has changed. The leading figures at the club have changed.
It was a pretty simple point.
Even if we somehow buy Vidal I can see people claiming we overspent on him and how come we payed 60 million and similar.
I agree the club has evolved, and I hope we catch up on the transfer front.
I think that LVG may be undecided tactically wise, the next big signing needs to be in accordance with the the system (4-3-3 or 3-5-2), it can be 1 CM + 2 CBs or 1 WG + 1 CB or else. There is also the players who will be freed.
I think that LVG will take every game possible to assess the team and there is at leat one game left to fix is mind.
You are depressing! No point arguing with you.
It doesn't matter how he did it. We paid the money and got the player, just like Mata and Shaw.
If Chelsea made these exact same signings, in the exact same manner, people would be decrying why we aren't like Chelsea in the market. They have been this season, for buying a player his club wanted to sell and one who was overpriced and had a release clause. The exact things you've dicredited our own dealings over.
I've discredited our dealings from the position we've yet to conclude a deal for a world class talent from abroad. The deals that tend to be tricky yet we see the likes of Chelsea and Madrid conclude them every summer.
If we won over 50% of the next 25 years of the PL , people would still be moaning
EDIT; oops we've already done that
Discrediting the Mata and Herrera transfers is daft. Mental daft.
Were they tricky deals to conclude? No. So they don't compare to other deals.
Exactly. It's just in people's nature I guess.
Just of curiosity, how was, lets say, Diego Costa deal tricky?
He's not world class. I'm thinking players like Hazard.
You should have been more precise. How was Hazard deal tricky then?
A lot of top clubs were interested, Manchester United included. His club, his agent, and himself all wanted big money.
Mata was a good albeit pointless transfer, Surely the club deserve credit for pulling off the transfer of a world class player, especially in the winter market?
Although I would love to see us buy a world class player in their prime, who isn't for sale such as Vidal, End of the day, these are the big exiting transfers. Personally Herrera and Shaw don't really excite me one bit right now.
Oh and Juventus director keeps blabbing out the same crap every 2 days, I think there just might be something in this after all, Hopefully we're not messing about over a couple million Euros here and there.
Although I would love to see us buy a world class player in their prime, who isn't for sale such as Vidal, End of the day, these are the big exiting transfers. Personally Herrera and Shaw don't really excite me one bit right now.
Oh and Juventus director keeps blabbing out the same crap every 2 days, I think there just might be something in this after all, Hopefully we're not messing about over a couple million Euros here and there.
Well put.
The Shaw deal was so not tricky to complete it took about 2months from the first rumours! Not to mention Herrera taking a year from the first go.
Everything Woodward has done so far indicates that if he were in charge, he wouldn't have blinked at paying the money they were after.
Fair enough we haven't signed world class talent from abroard. But we can't compare the vidal situation to what Chelsea have done this summer. IMO the two world class players Chelsea have signed this summer Fabregas and Costa- were fairly easy deals. Costa had a clause in his contract and with Fabregas- Barca made it pretty clear they didn't want him anymore.
Completely different to the vidal situation. Juve have said repeatedly that they don't want to sell him. IMO that's to save face, so they can shift the blame on Vidal if he leaves and not been seen as a club who can't hold onto their best player.
Last season everyone was criticising the club for being public with transfers with all the leaks coming out of Old Trafford. Now all that has stopped people are complaining that there is no news about Vidal. Can't win in this situation.
So Chelsea paid the money and got the player. We have done the same with Shaw, by all accounts Chelsea were interested until we offered much more than them. Woodward probably would have coughed up the extra 6 million for Hazard as well.
You can't possibly know that. We refused to offer an appropriate amount for Fabregas last summer.
Exactly ("over 50%") - just think of the poor Chelsea fans, all that money spent on world class players from abroad at less than 14% and only one in the last 8
Hazard wasn't world class when Chelsea bought him, Costa is much closer to world class when compared to Hazard in 2012.
All right but you said they do it every summer, tricky transfers I mean. So when they bought Hazard they did it, but this summer not cause Diego Costa isnt world class as you said. Two deals they made this year were easy. Yet when we do that, give the money and buy a player, it isnt good cause we overpay for a teenager or release a trigger clause. Can't win.
United fans wishing we were like Chelsea. What times have come.
Fabregas didnt even want to leave Barcelona last summer.
Don't know where you picking that from, probably your arse.
I said we're a club who traditionally fails when it comes to the larger transfers. We've a consistent history, you only have to look as far as RedCafe...
Now I also said it's weird we get so caught up in these sagas as we've always been a club to produce talent rather than purchase ready made talent.
Doesn't matter, we still underbid for him.
Woodward paid 30m for Shaw, and by all accounts was willing to spend 60m on Cavani. He is definitely willing to spend money, one could even say he wants to spend money on big signings (sponsors want big name players). And with Ferguson no longer at the helm, the days of refusing to pay agents are quite possibly over.
How much did we bid for Fabregas?
Just like a majority of your posts.
There wasnt a need for that but that's you I guess.
I wasnt aiming strictly at you, just in general posters here who adore Chelsea for 100 reasons it seems.
And if you ask me I would rather see United producing talent and not be like Madrid and Chelsea. Especially Madrid.
You were aiming it at me. You're boring me now at this stage, you're hot headed and stubborn. You don't have to agree with my opinion.
Marotta: " Regarding Vidal, we have already stated in numerous occasions that he is not in the transfer list and therefore we had not started any transfer dealings with anyone. It's clear that the player's will is a determining factor on whether a player stays or leaves. Vidal had never said he wanted to leave. He actually showed that he wants to stay at Juventus. The club is not a selling club and would only sell if he isn't happy. Which isn't the case with Vidal.
If any player wants to leave, he will have to handle a transfer request. However this must come at a reasonable and acceptable time. If he goes to the tournament (pre season training) in August (1 month before the league starts) then it would be very difficult for us to give our go ahead for any possible deal. However as I said before Vidal has never said that he's unhappy here"
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.i...i-presenta-romulo-che-onore-essere-qua-.shtml
Basically they are asking us to make an important bid and for Vidal to handle the transfer request NOW. If we don't do that we won't get him. This tournament will start on the 6th August
http://www.juventus.com/juve/en/news/24 june 2014 indonesia juventus
If any player wants to leave, he will have to handle a transfer request. However this must come at a reasonable and acceptable time. If he goes to the tournament (pre season training) in August (1 month before the league starts) then it would be very difficult for us to give our go ahead for any possible deal. However as I said before Vidal has never said that he's unhappy here"
http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.i...i-presenta-romulo-che-onore-essere-qua-.shtml
Basically they are asking us to make an important bid and for Vidal to handle the transfer request NOW. If we don't do that we won't get him. This tournament will start on the 6th August
http://www.juventus.com/juve/en/news/24 june 2014 indonesia juventus
I'm hot headed and stubborn?
You probably think that cause you're too lazy to have a nice conversation. I dont have to agree, right, that's what forums are for.
And I wasnt aiming at you. But whatever.
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