Yes on shaw but we don't know anything about cavani personally I would be upset if we ever bid that much on him. We should trust that LVG will get it right maybe not this season although we need to be in the top 4 this year but for our future.
Arturo Vidal
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Why are you even arguing with him? Its no use. Bit of a pointless read too.
True, I've given up.
It always seems odd when a manager feels the need to give a long explanation like this of a player's immediate future. Maybe it's a cultural/business thing in Italy that everyone in your team is available for the right price. I can imagine plenty of premier league managers just brushing off the subject with a peremptory "he's not leaving".
So if he goes on tour it's pretty much over, which means we will at least have to make a substantial bid in the next day or so.
He is 6/4 with Ladbrokes to stay at Juve, seems easy money at this moment!
Just hope we make a move, I can just imagine Vidal boarding the plane and looking down the runway - Argo style.
United fans can blame Woody all we want, but in my eyes, Vidal has to make the first move and tell them he wants to leave. We can offer them £40million, but it won't mean crap if he doesn't want to leave Juve. They know they can't really replace Vidal with anyone better so they'll only want to sell him if they really have to.
I can't see him doing it unfortunately.
I can't see him doing it unfortunately.
£10 and a packet of wotsits
Agreed. Too many 'ifs' and explanations, rather than simply saying 'Listen, he's not for sale, stop fecking asking about him'.
Even with the sales of players like Bale and Suarez, the respective managers and owners were coming out with much more concrete statements that they wouldn't be sold, regardless of the offer, or words to that affect, and they both still left. To me Marotta's comments come across as a necessary act in front of Juve's fans to show that they aren't willingly prepared to sell their biggest players. In reality I think he happily will for a decent offer. Probably around the €50m figure we keep seeing being thrown around.
Sorry Dr Zeus, but the above point is spot on. We love a bargain, I'm all for making superstars instead of buying them but it hurts seeing the amount of world class players we've missed out on because we won't up our bid, pay agents fee's or refuse certain wage demands. I don't want united to be mugged off with demands, but sometimes if it's just a few million here or there, just fecking do it.
At juve everyone has a price
We have a weird history of being quite happy to overpay for domestic based players as long as the fee is less then £30 million, but when it comes to the real top quality from abroad, we get cold fee. Its a strange strategy.
But what players we missed cause we didnt up the bid. On the top of my mind is just Hazard. Sure he's not the only one but we need to make a difference between players for which we werent ready to put enough high bid and players we were never interested in and it was all a speculation or were just interested and so on. Or players who were on the verge of joining us but some club stepped in in the last moment.
We were never shy to buy the best of the PL though.
With the Fergie at the helm we didnt have to go abroad to buy superstar players. And it proved to be good cause all of our success. Now are different times and I think we are changing. Just cause we were shy to buy the world's best in the past doesnt mean we will continue to be like that.
If that's the case though then we as a club should come out and say we're not interested. Either Vidal wants to come and we want him or he doesn't want to come/we don't want him, if any deal was to go ahead I imagine that personal details such as wage etc would have been agreed a long time ago so I don't think there'd be a middle ground where we're not sure what he wants.
If we're not looking to get him then you have to question our PR policy. We've done nothing to quiet these rumors and again let fan expectations rise along with Woodwards comments similar to last season. It doesn't help anyone.
Like Fabregas and Costa?
What would it cost for Vidal to hand in a transfer request? Honest question I have no idea what consequences that would mean generally.
So every time, there's load of rubbish printed in some rag, the club has to make a statement, that should be about 3 or 4 times a day during the transfer window
Well then Juventus made the first move in a "take it or leave it approach". Now the ball is in Vidal's camp who have to ask themselves if they are willing to lose out on his loyalty bonus and how high is his wage demands.
A move to United will definitely increase his market value regarding sponsorships. That will probably even the loss of his loyalty bonus, probably in the future increase his earnings. Not to mention his wages.
Maybe his his happy in Turin. I should ask the wife, the person with the power over his balls.
Regarding Woody. Just stay calm, maybe hint to Vidal's camp that we are positive if the fee is in the €40m level or something then head to the pub and have a few pints. Rule one. Look comfortable no matter outcome.
Juventus want to sell. At 27 its their last occasion to make big money from him and they ARE a selling club. However they want to make as much money out of the deal and they want things to be done in their own terms. This include having Vidal handling a transfer request (easier for the fans to accept and Vidal would lose any loyalties on the deal) and the deal must be done early to give them time to buy new players
Maybe SAF didn't want to risk huge sums on players abroad that he never saw much if himself, maybe our foreign scout network wasn't as trusted as our domestic. I don't know, obviously we've had some gems (Ronaldo, Chich, Vidic et al) I think it's due to the fact that we wanted to keep the core of Manchester United British as by doing that we pay more for British talent.
Well we fecked up the Fabregas deal last summer, yet Chelsea seemed to conclude it pretty easily. And for an unbelievably good price too.
Nope but when a rumor builds up as much as this, just look at how popular this thread has been on this site alone, and you've got a recent track record of being linked to big names and not being able to seal the deal etc then it makes sense to stop any snowball rumors like this if we're not actually looking to make it happen. End of the day a player can profit from being linked to us and it not happening, we don't profit at all.
I agree that some personal details are likely to have been agreed. I'd be surprised if there haven't been informal conversation with Juve too.
At this stage I'm resigned to conclude that LVG meant every word, when he said he would take 3-4 weeks to asses his squad before making any further decisions on signings. That wouldn't leave us with much time for signings, so Woodward is bound to be working away in the background with contingency plans. There's only a week or so left before the end of that 3-4 week period, so I suspect things are about to hot up. This is presumably why we aren't getting linked with anyone by any reliable journos recently.
But how do you know it's not happening
Our tactics were either the best PL talent or scout a player, nurture a talent from a academy or try to find a future star for a nice price.
As I said I think times are chaning at our club. I want us to sometimes just splash the cash for a great player, Vidal being the prime example (if the deal is possible )b ut I dont want us to be like playing FM manager in transfer windows nor we'll ever be like that.
I mean look at Chelsea, sure they make deals and all but where is their academy product, have they produced any players in recent times? And when they buy a young player they flog the around Europe and most of them never end up at Chelsea.
Dont get me even started on Madrid.
Clearly you haven't read "Van Persie went on tour with Arsenal before signing for us" posts.
That was all about timing though wasn't it. Fabregas didn't want to give up on his dream of succeeding at Barca last summer. On top of that Moyes being new to the job didn't wasn't exactly the most attractive opportunity to leave Barca for, and Woodward was new to his job which can't have helped either.
By the time Chelsea were after him he was nailed on to leave Barca and I don't think LVG was interested in him. Not that we would have been likely to beat Chelsea to his signature without CL, mind.
I think there are a few deals that will happen, I just can't see how LVG wouldn't think we need some defenders at the very least but also that Woodward would come out with what he did about potential signings and what Giggs said about transfers stalling as players were at the W.C., if we didn't have some more planned and with this one I think there has to be some potential to it as following on from recent years us letting another big name snow ball like this again just seems odd. Plus Juve keep stressing the point about something being able to happen if Vidal wants it too.
I don't believe I did say that, I said if we're not interested then I think it's a poor decision from us to not come out and say as much given our recent track record. Doesn't reflect well on us nor Woodward as even if we weren't ever interested internally the perception outside the club is/will be that it's another big name that we couldn't sign.
That was last year and Fabregas didnt want to leave Barca.
Totally, totally different.
RvP had just rejected a contract and was obviously on the move and Arsenal knew that. He wanted to change clubs to try and win a league title, Wenger was just trying to get the best deal and probably ideally send him abroad.
Vidal is obviously not desperate to leave, he is winning things at Juve who have made it quite clear they want to keep him, just like we did with Rooney.
The longer this goes on the less chance we have. We seemingly can't get the deal done when they are in Italy, let alone when they go on their own tour.
My opinion is he goes on tour we don't have a chance and we will move onto another target, why risk running out of time and getting desperate like last year.
well....I suppose if we get beaten 4 - 0 tonight with our midfield being totally inept then perhaps LVG will tell Woody to tell Vidal to say he's unhappy..... :-)
We didn't feck it up. He simply didn't want to come to United and was using us all along. The overly pessimistic tone you and @KiD MoYeS seem to love is tiresome, just because you won't get your favourite toy. We've already done better than last summer.
Mata is comfortably as big an acquisition as Hazard, and Hazard wasn't bought from a PL rival.
But you specified this one, so they can't say anything if it is ongoing
Aye I'm sure there will be more signings. A CB with some experience is a must. Can't see how LVG could rely on the current options with their injury records and falling back on Keane and Blackett would put a hell of a lot of pressure on them.
Another center mid is a bit less certain though. I'd be amazed if he doesn't get another, but I'm more worried that LVG doesn't want Vidal, rather than us wanting him and being unable to get him.
Starting to get somewhat annoyed with this transfer.
We offered a similar amount to the amount he went for this summer, so it sounds about right.
The lack of a transfer is the annoying part. We give them Evra and Pogba but do they give us Vidal? Noooooo
Going on tour means nothing. It doesn't matter how long remaining contract is. It is as much possible that United aren't in for him as there is chance that work going on to finalize deal. Us having a chance or not having chance depends on a) are we actually in for him b) have offered enough money c) vidal's keenness on moving. He can very well go on tour and sign for us later in month.
yes very true, although Pogba and Evra wanted to leave....it's just getting Vidal to feel the same!
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