Arturo Vidal

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Brownie85 said:
Aaaah yes, yes he did, but he'll always have that blemish on his record. Seems as though he definitely learnt his lesson from last summer that's for sure!
Now if he delivers Vidal too, or a few more good quality players, would he be deemed completely cleansed of that unfortunate mistake, or would it still loom over him?
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Given that he doesn't pick the transfer targets, you'd assume the man who managed Fellaini at Everton should hold most responsibility for him being signed by United.

I never get this notion that Woodward should be blamed for us signing a shite player. He just tries to buy the players the manager wants. Moyes obviously wanted to sign Fellaini, should Woodward have told him he wasn't good enough? Why would Woodward be the judge of that?

If we sign Vidal and he turns out a shite signing would that be Woodwards fault too?
 
Pexbo said:
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For what it's worth. You can ignore all that is said in the British Media. They are sourcing their information from Italy and Chile and are usually a good day behind us. Nothing is coming from any English sources as we're keeping it blacked out. The first bit of information they will actually get on this is that he is having a medical for us and everything is agreed.
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Ban them all from the twitter thread, they are clearly all bullshitters, only tweets from Woodward, Van Gaal & the Glazers from now on please.
 
The Neviller said:
Given that he doesn't pick the transfer targets, you'd assume the man who managed Fellaini at Everton should hold most responsibility for him being signed by United.

I never get this notion that Woodward should be blamed for us signing a shite player. He just tries to buy the players the manager wants. Moyes obviously wanted to sign Fellaini, should Woodward have told him he wasn't good enough? Why would Woodward be the judge of that?

If we sign Vidal and he turns out a shite signing would that be Woodwards fault too?
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People definitely think that Woodward has a lot more control over transfers than he does in reality. He's a CEO of a football club, obviously he will play an important role in concluding the deal but I doubt that he's the only one negotiating them and he definitely has little influence on determining transfer targets. The failure to sign players last Summer was probably mainly down to Moyes dithering over targets as much as Woodward screwing up, for example Herrera deal would have been tied up if we hadn't spend half the Summer chasing Fabregas who was never going to move here. Woodward isn't DoF.
 
Sarni said:
People definitely think that Woodward has a lot more control over transfers than he does in reality. He's a CEO of a football club, obviously he will play an important role in concluding the deal but I doubt that he's the only one negotiating them and he definitely has little influence on determining transfer targets. The failure to sign players last Summer was probably mainly down to Moyes dithering over targets as much as Woodward screwing up, for example Herrera deal would have been tied up if we hadn't spend half the Summer chasing Fabregas who was never going to move here. Woodward isn't DoF.
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In essence, you are right. However, the criticism of Woodward on Fellaini was the price he ended up paying when there was a clause in effect until the middle of August. You could also argue that a less naive CEO would have saw through the games the Fabregas camp were playing - Woodward didnt and his continual chase ended up a huge downfall of ours.

As for Herrera, i really dont know who to blame. Im inclined to think Moyes pulled the plug on that but cant be sure.
 
WE don't want him - Louis doesn't want him. We're actually not interested. Amazing but it seems its true - either that or we signed him weeks ago.
 
LonelyFire said:
In essence, you are right. However, the criticism of Woodward on Fellaini was the price he ended up paying when there was a clause in effect until the middle of August. You could also argue that a less naive CEO would have saw through the games the Fabregas camp were playing - Woodward didnt and his continual chase ended up a huge downfall of ours.

As for Herrera, i really dont know who to blame. Im inclined to think Moyes pulled the plug on that but cant be sure.
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We paid the same price for him - MaFel was reported to have paid the difference (forfeited his loyalty bonus basically if i recall correctly), so bad did he want the move.
 
Clearly we need to consult a higher power for the truth. Has anybody tweeted Jim White yet?
 
The Neviller said:
Given that he doesn't pick the transfer targets, you'd assume the man who managed Fellaini at Everton should hold most responsibility for him being signed by United.

I never get this notion that Woodward should be blamed for us signing a shite player. He just tries to buy the players the manager wants. Moyes obviously wanted to sign Fellaini, should Woodward have told him he wasn't good enough? Why would Woodward be the judge of that?

If we sign Vidal and he turns out a shite signing would that be Woodwards fault too?
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It's not the fact that he was a shite player, Fellaini at Everton was great, but i think Woodward came under so much criticism due to the horrendous price tag involved. Plus with the knowledge of his buyout clause, the fact we paid so much for him was stupid. Of course we had no idea how crap he'd turn out to be, and as you say, you'd have thought that Moyes would have gotten the best out of him, but it never happened.

Plus with the knowledge of the Fabregas bids being so low too, whether they were true amounts or not, it gave the impression that Woodward wasn't willing to pay what was needed to get the players we needed in. So that went against him. Of course, now he's realised that top players cost a lot, hence the £37m+ for Mata and the amounts needed for Shaw/Herrera. In all fairness, he can be forgiven for that summer, as it was his first transfer window in the CEO role and he's definitely getting better. I just think he shouldn't really be saying some of the things he said in his interview, about us being able to financially do things in the market that other clubs can't, it gets peoples hopes up of a big money, world class signing, then turns people against him when it doesn't happen, or if news gets out that we weren't willing to pay a fee for a certain player etc... but i guess it's down to the manager as much as the CEO.
 
This is just going backwards all the time.

Firstly, they said we made a bid. Then they said we are preparing a bid. Then they said we have a verbal agreement with Vidal instead of Juve. Now we are just "still interested".

The Agent was supposed to fly in on Monday and submit our bid. Then they said it will happen on Tuesday/Wednesday/Thurday. Now all of a sudden he is not even in Turin and is in England.:wenger:
 
LonelyFire said:
In essence, you are right. However, the criticism of Woodward on Fellaini was the price he ended up paying when there was a clause in effect until the middle of August. You could also argue that a less naive CEO would have saw through the games the Fabregas camp were playing - Woodward didnt and his continual chase ended up a huge downfall of ours.

As for Herrera, i really dont know who to blame. Im inclined to think Moyes pulled the plug on that but cant be sure.
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Well, it could have been Moyes telling him to wait on Fabregas before we move on to Fellaini. I don't think Woodward could have made the decision to sign Fellaini himself. Thing is, even if we'd got Fabregas we still needed Fellaini as the more defensive player he was evidently bought to be in spite of being absolutely not suited to the role at a club of this calibre. The delay in Fellaini deal was curious indeed.

As much as I like Mata and think he will do great here his signing made it clear to me that we had no transfer strategy in place during Moyes days here. Just buy whoever we can get.
 
Y2A said:
This is just going backwards all the time.

Firstly, they said we made a bid. Then they said we are preparing a bid. Then they said we have a verbal agreement with Vidal instead of Juve. Now we are just "still interested".

The Agent was supposed to fly in on Monday and submit our bid. Then they said it will happen on Tuesday/Wednesday/Thurday. Now all of a sudden he is not even in Turin and is in England.:wenger:
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It's almost like the media don't actually have a clue!
 
Massive double standards going on at the moment, If Ducker, Ogden or Taylor suddenly tweeted "Manchester United agree fee for Vidal" it would be plastered all over the Caf quicker than you can say cocks out!
 
bugmat said:
We paid the same price for him - MaFel was reported to have paid the difference (forfeited his loyalty bonus basically if i recall correctly), so bad did he want the move.
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Well, Everton deny that. They say we payed the full asking price of £27.5m
 
Hoof The Ball said:
FFS!!

This whole saga is the transfer equivalent of Arsenal trying walk the ball into the net. Lots of movement and no end result!
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Be prepared for it to go until the last day of the transfer window without anything substantial happening.
 
LonelyFire said:
In essence, you are right. However, the criticism of Woodward on Fellaini was the price he ended up paying when there was a clause in effect until the middle of August. You could also argue that a less naive CEO would have saw through the games the Fabregas camp were playing - Woodward didnt and his continual chase ended up a huge downfall of ours.

As for Herrera, i really dont know who to blame. Im inclined to think Moyes pulled the plug on that but cant be sure.
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Depends on what Moyes was asking of him, though. Moyes has gone on record to say that they tried to sign Fellaini with Baines, and only split the deal on the last day, after the clause had gone. That's on Moyes, not on Woodward. He can only do the deals the manager wants him to do, that's his job. Moyes takes full responsibility for Fellaini, for me. Both in signing him in the first place and refusing to budge on signing Baines with him. Even at the lower clause price he was still a shit signing.

The Fabregas thing probably was naive by Woodward, but again, you'd imagine it was Moyes who wanted him and Woodward was just bidding for the players Moyes wanted to sign.

Moyes dithered like feck all over the summer, and I think he made Woodward look a bit more of a mug than his naivety did.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's not the fact that he was a shite player, Fellaini at Everton was great, but i think Woodward came under so much criticism due to the horrendous price tag involved. Plus with the knowledge of his buyout clause, the fact we paid so much for him was stupid. Of course we had no idea how crap he'd turn out to be, and as you say, you'd have thought that Moyes would have gotten the best out of him, but it never happened.

Plus with the knowledge of the Fabregas bids being so low too, whether they were true amounts or not, it gave the impression that Woodward wasn't willing to pay what was needed to get the players we needed in. So that went against him. Of course, now he's realised that top players cost a lot, hence the £37m+ for Mata and the amounts needed for Shaw/Herrera. In all fairness, he can be forgiven for that summer, as it was his first transfer window in the CEO role and he's definitely getting better. I just think he shouldn't really be saying some of the things he said in his interview, about us being able to financially do things in the market that other clubs can't, it gets peoples hopes up of a big money, world class signing, then turns people against him when it doesn't happen, or if news gets out that we weren't willing to pay a fee for a certain player etc... but i guess it's down to the manager as much as the CEO.
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See my reply to LonelyFire. Moyes has said he wanted to sign Fellaini and Baines together, and split the deal at the end after the clause had gone. That's on him and hus stubborness.

Anyway, this is off track. Are we still alive and swimming?
 
Y2A said:
This is just going backwards all the time.

Firstly, they said we made a bid. Then they said we are preparing a bid. Then they said we have a verbal agreement with Vidal instead of Juve. Now we are just "still interested".

The Agent was supposed to fly in on Monday and submit our bid. Then they said it will happen on Tuesday/Wednesday/Thurday. Now all of a sudden he is not even in Turin and is in England.:wenger:
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There are even some (Sport Mediaset) claiming that Felicevich is actually in Spain.

:lol: Not even joking.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
......and re-sign Fellaini on a contract extension :(
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'The biggest coup of the transfer window was keeping Marouane [Fellaini]. We worked very hard to retain the player.' Ed Woodward, September 2014.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's not the fact that he was a shite player, Fellaini at Everton was great, but i think Woodward came under so much criticism due to the horrendous price tag involved. Plus with the knowledge of his buyout clause, the fact we paid so much for him was stupid. Of course we had no idea how crap he'd turn out to be, and as you say, you'd have thought that Moyes would have gotten the best out of him, but it never happened.

Plus with the knowledge of the Fabregas bids being so low too, whether they were true amounts or not, it gave the impression that Woodward wasn't willing to pay what was needed to get the players we needed in. So that went against him. Of course, now he's realised that top players cost a lot, hence the £37m+ for Mata and the amounts needed for Shaw/Herrera. In all fairness, he can be forgiven for that summer, as it was his first transfer window in the CEO role and he's definitely getting better. I just think he shouldn't really be saying some of the things he said in his interview, about us being able to financially do things in the market that other clubs can't, it gets peoples hopes up of a big money, world class signing, then turns people against him when it doesn't happen, or if news gets out that we weren't willing to pay a fee for a certain player etc... but i guess it's down to the manager as much as the CEO.
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Cesc went for 27m to chelsea correct so our low bids were probably correctly reported. I'd say we overpaid for Mata by about 10m and if it wasnt mid season and it wasnt a title rival thats all they would probably get for him.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Cesc went for 27m to chelsea correct so our low bids were probably correctly reported. I'd say we overpaid for Mata by about 10m and if it wasnt mid season and it wasnt a title rival thats all they would probably get for him.
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We weren't title rivals by the time we signed Mata.
 
Sarni said:
We weren't title rivals by the time we signed Mata.
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Thats true. Also Chelsea get twice the market value (very strangely) in these financial fair play times for whomever they choose to sell....am I the only one who smells a rat. Next up Mikel will go for 25m GBP.
 
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