Arturo Vidal
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That baffled me too.
Busquets is a twat, but he's a fantastic player. I don't think it's green smiley worthy at all.
As a Juve fan, I respectfully disagree. Pogba is very good and has huge potential, but Vidal is one of the first names on the team sheet. Pogba is now just ahead of Marchisio since September, much thanks to Marchisio missing the first month of the season (and some top performances by Paul, of course).
Correct. Marchisio is next in line.
Not sure it deserves this response.
Vidal is hot shit right now. Biscuits has been one of the best midfielders in Europe for a few years but as ever so slightly gone off the radar at the moment.
Pogba is a hell of a player, but Vidal is a fighting machine.
Disagree with what? That Pogba is more complete than Vidal? As a Juve fan you should be aware that Pogba does everything that Vidal does, some perhaps not to the same level, and others at a higher level. The argument isn't who's the better player, that's obviously vidal but pogba has more strings to his bow than him.
I am not a Juve fan but have seen you playing a lot during the past two years and I completely agree with you. Vidal has been the best player in Serie A last season and one of the best (if not the best) midfielder in Europe. Also he is one of the most completed midfielders in Europe and he is your most attacking threat which is a bit of a surprise considering in what position he play. I like and rate Pogba but as of now, Vidal is so much better than him and if Pogba ever reaches that level, he should be very happy.
As a Juve fan, he might have watched each player a bit more frequently than you? What strings does Pogba have on his bow that Vidal doesn't, out of interest?
And that makes him a more complete player? How?
This is turning into a semantic discussion of "complete". Pogba is a better shooter of the ball, but Vidal is ahead in every other department right now. The latter can be played pretty much everywhere on the pitch due to how complete he is. Just last week he filled in at centre back very well. I wouldn't trust Pogba with such a responsibility right now.
I would have believed that versatility adds to the notion of "completeness".
He hasn't, I watch pretty much every Juve game.
Shooting, passing range, creativity, and dribbling.
Pogba just became a regular. His long distance-shooting is better, but Vidal's our top goal scorer and assist man for the past two years. Pogba is more stylish, but when it comes to end product, Vidal's ahead in all those departments. Anyway, fruitless discussion. Both are excellent.
One of many examples of Vidal's complete skill set:
Just because he isn't a goalscoring midfielder doesn't mean that Busquets is inferior. Busquets is far better than Vidal defensively and tactically. Same goes for Pogba who has a higher ceiling.
I am not sure he has a higher ceiling than Vidal and he definitely isn't better defensively. Also, despite having a better shoot, Vidal scores and assists a lot more than Pogba (or any other Juve player for that matter).
Busquets - despite being a twat - is a brilliant player, but if we consider only the last 15 months or so, it is not even a contest between him and Vidal. Looking in all their careers though, then Busquets win IMO.
would you say at this stage there is anything to suggest Pogba couldn't equal the level of Busquets/Vidal? That's the question.
I think that Pogba has potential to become one of the best midfielders in the world. I would put him with the likes of Wilshere (on potential) and behind only Gundogan and Thiago. But hard to predict how the future will be, a lot of players don't fully achieve the potential.
At the moment though he is not even near the quality of Busquets and Vidal and Vidal is also a more complete player than him.
Definitely, agree with most but he has age on his side, and it's his first proper season in a competitive first team squad.
In regards to Wilshere having less potential than Gundogan or Thiago, I find that strange, again I'd say Gundogan is currently the best, but for me, none of their ceilings really differ... only their current,.
I think that Wilshere was overrated a lot after Barca games. The three of them were basically at the same level, but since then Gundogan has became probably the best player in one of the best teams in the world while Thiago lead the Spain to two victories on U21 EURO tournaments and averaged 40 games in last two seasons in a team that had the best midfield ever.
Wilshere on the other side hasn't done anything like it. Currently Ramsey is playing much better than him and at times even Arteta is better. Still young though, he can become a top player but I rate Thiago/Gundogan higher in both currect ability and potential.
All true points, Wilshere's only real 'saving grace' as per say is he had a long injury, (smokes
) and generally plays a different role to Gundogan and Thiago, who I tend to think of as more 'defensive', but it's not that Wilshere is an out and out player, but he's a creator, and with that tag, players such as him and flair players (Usually inside forwards, AM's) tend to be a lot more hot and cold, especially at a younger age..He does every single thing better than Pogba.
Let's make one thing clear first though, I'm not putting Pogba down. For me he's already fantastic and I'd expect it's a matter of time before he's amongst the very best midfielders in the world, which he isn't all that far from already. Right now he still has areas to improve on and that will come as he learns more and ages.
Tactically is somewhere he struggled at first. The constant midfield three of Juve is what suits Pogba to a tee and it helps not highlight his slight weakness.
Vidal has basically been the best midfielder in the world for the last year and a half. He's a box to box destroyer. Defending? He does it. Tackling? Quality. Passing range? Fantastic. Vision? Brilliant. Stamina? Best in the team. Finishing? Outstanding. Vidal is a rare player that you don't see all that often. Sure, we get quite a few players who are good at everything and can fit in anywhere as utility players, but it's rare to find one player that can do every single thing but not just good, but brilliantly. Take Pogba out of this Juve midfield? No problems. Take Vidal out? Big problems.
Pirlo takes many plaudits but it's Vidal that is the glue in the midfield. He's the man that does the most work. He's the man that wins the ball back. He's the man that's feeding Pirlo to create killer passes. He's the man who's picking up the ball on the edge of the box and smashing it in. He's fecking everywhere and that takes something special to do.
Pogba is already a quality player that should get better and better. How great he can become in the future, we'll see. Right now Vidal is on a completely different level though.
Quality quality player, the best player at Juventus better than Pogba and more complete. Pogba may be more aesthetically pleasing with his style but Vidal really does everything to a high level. Busquets has had niggling injuries, the last season or so but his quality remains, the best midfielder in the world playing one touch football. Schweinsteiger has yet to reach the level of last season where I think he was the best midfielder in Europe, again due to injuries but his consistency was startling last year, he brought his best it EVERY game. This is the level of player we need if we want to get back amongst the best teams in Europe.
p.s Wilshere does not have the ceiling of Thiago, Pogba or Gudogan imo. The lad is talented but overrated (even before the injuries).
p.s Wilshere does not have the ceiling of Thiago, Pogba or Gudogan imo. The lad is talented but overrated (even before the injuries).
I think this is key.
Anyway, both fantastic players, Juve are lucky to have them
Surprised by how people laughed at the Busquets bigging up, he was a key midfielder in the team considered by a lot as one of the best teams of all time. Tactically, the guy is absolutely brilliant, even though he's easy to hate because of his antics.
Take this season for example. From a statistical point of view they are pretty similar. The only reason Vidal has more goals than Pogba is because he takes penalties. As for assists, pogba has more in all competition and similar amount in serie a.
Its a fruitless discussion because people interpret statements in a strange way. Its like I'm saying he's a better player than vidal and that's not what I'm saying. I'd be stupid to say something like that and I'm not that guy. Fact is pogba has an array of skills that vidal can't match. If you watch them week in week out its easy to see.
He's a better shooter than Vidal, and by a good distance. He's a better passer than vidal, he quite clearly has the better range. If juve needed someone who could do a poor mans impression of Pirlo it definitely would be pogba rather than vidal. Dribbling? Out of the two of them, who'd you back to trick his way out of a tight situation?
The thing is vidal has the edge because he's got a work rate that basically no other player in the world can match, add that with good array of skills you get the player he is.
I agree with you on most points. Seems we just have a different interpretation of the word "complete". For me, that implicates the tactically more versatile Vidal.
Vidal injured with same issue and may need surgery to sort out his knee.
Source: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...get-Arturo-Vidal-breaks-down-with-knee-injury
Source: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...get-Arturo-Vidal-breaks-down-with-knee-injury
Oh dear...
Is there anything more reliable than the Express saying that?
@Pexbo will be pleased if true.
It would explain a lot, as it was the only disappointment of the summer window for me.
It would explain a lot, as it was the only disappointment of the summer window for me.
Trying to find something mate.
Why would you be pleased that a player has broke down injured?
Pexbo is a bit of a sadist.
Pleased because if the reason for us not buying Vidal is because we were worried about his knee then Pexbo isn't banned.
Not for the player but pleased that we didn't bought him and pleased that there was a reason why we didn't go for him.
You know what he means. Pleased we didn't get him.
So far it seems it's Chilean reporters reporting it...Sky Italia using same reports.
Not sure about more reliable but they aren't the only ones reporting it