I mean, it's not great at this stage is it...
Arsenal - 2024/25
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I mean, it's not great at this stage is it...
Especially when they'll likely win feck all else yet again.
We're relying on these to stop Liverpool 
Na, it's horrible getting knocked out the semi's of any tournament.
Usually I'm not overly bothered about the League Cup, been on record on here many times saying it, but in the context of where we are with Arteta we need to start having something to show for it.
Also, just in general, we need to build up momentum and win games and we are struggling to do that just now.
Another game showing up the lack of good finishers at the club.
Gordon, Isak and Murphy vs Saka and then any combination of Martinelli, Trossard, Havertz, Jesus, Sterling.
You’re taking the Newcastle attack every time. Bruno, Joelinton and Tonali can hang with any combination of Arsenal’s midfield. In fact they’re probably fitter, stronger and maybe even an argument to say they’re better on the ball.
It’s the backline and keeper where Arsenal really stand out as truly top class.
You’re taking the Newcastle attack every time. Bruno, Joelinton and Tonali can hang with any combination of Arsenal’s midfield. In fact they’re probably fitter, stronger and maybe even an argument to say they’re better on the ball.
It’s the backline and keeper where Arsenal really stand out as truly top class.
If we beat them next week that's them with no trophies again. They should beat us tbh but they are looking toothless without Saka.
Questions need to start being asked about Arteta.
Questions need to start being asked about Arteta.
Can't argue with you Pat. The attack has been neglected, said it many times over.
They're just really flat this season, saw it early stages when people were hyping them up but there was no zip to them at all. Saka has been carrying them at times.
Teams that win the big trophies don't score 1 goal or fewer 13 times by the start of January. By comparison, Liverpool have scored 1 goal or fewer only 4 times.
Teams that win the big trophies don't score 1 goal or fewer 13 times by the start of January. By comparison, Liverpool have scored 1 goal or fewer only 4 times.
He's built a competitive team. Well organised, good defensively (usually) and hard to beat (usually). But the success of Arteta at Arsenal will de defined by if he can build as good an attack as he can the other side of the game. The lack of investment in attackers vs defenders is baffling.
It’s funny. I thought we were excellent for 75 minutes today, at everything but finishing. The last 15/20 were disappointing, but before that I’d have considered this a good performance against a great side, who also played incredibly well.
We desperately need more talent in attack, but I don’t feel awful about this season.
Oddly, it reminded me of the home game against Liverpool in the cup this time last year, where we lost at home after a poor run of form, missing a shitload of chances in an otherwise good performance, and then being widely criticised for the defeat. The form after that was excellent. It’s unlikely we’ll go on a similar run again, but not impossible.
And also, Newcastle are very very good. Incredible athletes all through that team as well.
We desperately need more talent in attack, but I don’t feel awful about this season.
Oddly, it reminded me of the home game against Liverpool in the cup this time last year, where we lost at home after a poor run of form, missing a shitload of chances in an otherwise good performance, and then being widely criticised for the defeat. The form after that was excellent. It’s unlikely we’ll go on a similar run again, but not impossible.
And also, Newcastle are very very good. Incredible athletes all through that team as well.
Well done to take some positives out of what you’re currently seeing.
But I’m seeing something very very different tbh. And you should feel awful about this season. Arsenal of the previous two seasons would be winning title this season without question. City have fallen off and you’re nowhere to be seen.
You barely threatened Dubravka’s goal tonight. The first half was even and Newcastle essentially parked the bus when they went 2-0 up so it was expected you’d dominate the ball after but nothing was clear cut really.
Arteta has jumped the shark and I think this team is done for the season. You’ll slap us on the weekend but I think you’ll finish well off the pace in the league and go out the CL and LC.
Your football going forward is mediocre and predictable. Arteta spent too much time trying to gain the edge over city with gamesmanship to the point you were signing players for it. And ignored your stuttering attack. Saka and Odegaard are too critical to your attack. With Saka out and Odegaard out of form and previously injured we’re seeing the huge downgrade in your performance levels.
He did have a chance to do it relatively early though (I think one year earlier than Klopp/same year Klopp managed with Liverpool). It may just be further evidence of the point that many people believe which is that Arteta has taken you as far as he can.
You can't win major trophies with Trossard, Havertz, Martinelli as your main strikers. Bar Saka the forwards are average.
Arsenal need to buy a center forward and at least a top winger.
Arsenal need to buy a center forward and at least a top winger.
What is the worst thing in the world?
Arsenal don’t win many trophies. They should aim for and cherish any silverware they can get their hands on.
We didn’t threaten much in attacking areas the other week but neither did they. We are what we are right now but this lot won by adopting Stoke City from 15 years ago
Pray for Forest. Depending on Spurs a few years ago and now Arse. Thank God for Leicester and hope Forest..
Arteta has done a brilliant job at Arsenal but this season, they have shown a clear dip. It is expected after 2 good seasons, shame they didn't win anything.
There was going to be a drop off and the lack of forwards is having a big issue. Arteta is to blame for that as he priorities defenders in the market.
There was going to be a drop off and the lack of forwards is having a big issue. Arteta is to blame for that as he priorities defenders in the market.
Arteta blaming the ball for our poor finishing! Straight from the Pep playbook.
The real difference is Isak.
Defenders and gk: better Arsenal than Newcastle. Midfielders: similar. Wingers: Saka is better than Gordon and Martinelli plus Trossard plus Gabriel Jesus are better than Murphy, Barnes and Almiron.
Arsenal have a better team than Newcastle, except center forward. And you can see in league table of the last two seasons.
Arsenal have top defenders. Also Rice and Odegaard are great. They lack another top midfielder. And lack a top winger and and a top center forward.
Bigest problem they have imo is they're missing that stand out player in attack who will turn close games into wins or force opponents like Newcastle to be more precarious.
Liverpool have Salah and if you take him out of the equation they aren't any better than the other teams around the top of the table. City have Haaland and until recently De Bruyne was probably in the same category.
Saka is a very good player but he's not quite at that level, at least not yet, and now he's injured anyway. As soon as they hit patchy form or aren't on top in a game they tend to drop points/lose games, because the moment where a player like that bails them out or gets the team on the front foot again doesn't happen.
Liverpool have Salah and if you take him out of the equation they aren't any better than the other teams around the top of the table. City have Haaland and until recently De Bruyne was probably in the same category.
Saka is a very good player but he's not quite at that level, at least not yet, and now he's injured anyway. As soon as they hit patchy form or aren't on top in a game they tend to drop points/lose games, because the moment where a player like that bails them out or gets the team on the front foot again doesn't happen.
Maybe he has.
What current managers do you think we could sign who would do better than Arteta with this squad? Because I can't think of any but I don't pay too much attention to other leagues
That's where it becomes tricky if you're in the Arteta has taken them as far as he can camp because you have to acknowledge the good job he's done up to this point as the only people you would say could take you further with relative certainty are your Pep/Klopp/Ancelotti types. Then again, I don't think anybody expected Slot to be doing as well as he has with Liverpool so there could be a case for someone like Flick/Inzaghi/Alonso. The problem is that unless any of them get sacked, they're probably unattainable too.
TLDR: No idea.
Arteta does not like smooth balls. Manscaped in the mud
That was my line of thinking. There isn't anyone obtainable we could sign who's a clear upgrade.That's where it becomes tricky if you're in the Arteta has taken them as far as he can camp because you have to acknowledge the good job he's done up to this point as the only people you would say could take you further with relative certainty are your Pep/Klopp/Ancelotti types. Then again, I don't think anybody expected Slot to be doing as well as he has with Liverpool so there could be a case for someone like Flick/Inzaghi/Alonso. The problem is that unless any of them get sacked, they're probably unattainable too.
TLDR: No idea.
I think Arteta has done a good job up until this season and while we've been underwhelming this season, there are mitigating factors. I think if we're equally underwhelming next season we should probably start looking for alternatives. Although by that point our better players might be looking to leave so we genuinely might have missed our opportunity for a major trophy.
The team he has created in his image since he has been in charge since 2019?
Surely this logic should not be a thing.... I bet you said the same thing about Liverpool after Klopp, Slot has taken that LFC squad and is 6 clear at the top and 100% CL record, SF of League cup.
I know this is meant to be some sort of gotcha, but yeah. When Arteta took over we were an absolute joke. Do you think he could just go out and sign whoever he wanted to? United, Chelsea, City, and Liverpool were all far more attractive destinations for talented players and arguably all still are.
Despite the squad being made in his image we don't have any genuine world class, game changing players. Why do you think that is? Because Arteta just doesn't want to sign one?
That Liverpool squad is far better than the Arsenal squad Arteta took over, full of players who've been involved in title races and won major honors before Slot even stepped in the door.
Who is talking about the squad Arteta picked up? We are talking about now...
So what if the players were in title races, did you actually think Slot will make Liverpool title challengers?
It wasn’t a gotcha - I just found it hilarious your initial post is laced with an inference that Arteta is still in that phase you allow managers leniency for where we can’t assess him with full critical lense because he’s being held back by his squad.
He has coached and been given full reign of the side — outgoings and incomings. You’ve spent money and had plenty of windows, the “Arteta not being allowed to sign world class players” is a fallacy — the fault predominantly lies with himself as to who he has poorly recruited. Particularly in attack.
I don’t deny Arteta has done a good job, I just find it funny to act like he’s been dealt a poor hand. We’re in year 5 now. We should act like it.
Well that Liverpool squad challenged last season and only dropped off near the end, so although I didn't expect them to be this good it's not like he's performing miracles.
I actually don't think I made any predictions on how good they'd be this season, I'm sure it was mainly United fans predicting/hoping they'd be shit because they lost Klopp.
That actually wasn't my inference and I'm not saying he's been dealt a poor hand. I was more saying that I don't really think it's worth replacing Arteta just yet because I can't see many other managers doing better with the squad we have, and I'd rather see if Arteta can make the right attacking signings first.
I'd agree he deserves criticism for the state of our attack though
So the same theory applies to the Arsenal squad? they challenged for 2 seasons and added players, where Liverpool didn't.
Oh so you think it was only Manutd fans who thought Klopp was getting the most out of the squad?
Slot will end up doing more than Arteta in 1 season with 1 signing, whilst Arteta has been given over 500m to spend.
If you don't care about the squad Arteta picked up in comparison to the squad Slot picked up, why are you comparing the amount of money they spent respectively improving those squads?
Another trophyless season on the way for them.
True, I think Isak is the game changer here. You can get carry a player like Martinelli (who isn't bad, just not good enough to produce at the level Arsenal need) if you have Saka and Isak in the front line. But I would say in terms of attacking players, Isak and Gordon make the top 3 if both attacks were put together in one group. You could maybe argue Havertz over Gordon, and maybe this is dependant on form.
You are the one that brought up the team that Arteta picked up.... Slot has made 0 changes to a team and is challenging... whilst you think there is no better manager than Arteta.
A manager who was managing in the Dutch league coming into his first season in the PL is outperforming him.. there are clearly better managers out there than Arteta.
I saw they’re the biggest time wasters in the entire league based on bookings, which is crazy really.
I might look stupid come Monday, but I think United will knock them out. Fernandes and Amad look dangerous at the moment.
I might look stupid come Monday, but I think United will knock them out. Fernandes and Amad look dangerous at the moment.
Shame they didn’t sign a striker/forward last summer as I think they’d win the league. Surely much more difficult to do it in January window. Osimhen could be available?
Don't remember the timing but once Sesko decided he didn't want to move, we should have been on the phone to Napoli, pay them a nice sweetener and get him on loan. Free hit on a world class striker is very rare. And when loans works for everyone it's usually easier to negotiate the permanent transfer.
They have our number lately, especially with those corners. But I just can’t see them winning anything with Arteta, Ten Hag won more than him ffs and Arteta’s FA cup he only had to play from the semi final stage in his first season.
Any other big club would’ve moved on from him by now
Any other big club would’ve moved on from him by now
Just to be on the safe side we aren't going to let discussion happen until all proceedings have been followed through. Thanks.