Arsenal - 2024/25

WeePat said:
The problem is there’s no guarantee Arsenal will beat all those bottom 5 teams. It seems more likely to me that they’ll drop points in at least 2 of them.
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This is actually true. We are unbeaten in 13 games but the huge amount of draws, 3 alone in the last 7 games, have killed the title chase.
 
ArtetasHair said:
This is actually true. We are unbeaten in 13 games but the huge amount of draws, 3 alone in the last 7 games, have killed the title chase.
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The only reason its actually not been killed off yet is because Liverpool have also dropped points in 3 games in their last six you'd have backed them to win.
 
GoonerBear said:
Odegaard was ill, Arteta said he wasn't well enough to train but wanted to make himself available as he knew we were short on numbers.
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Well fair then. Probably should not have played at all then. He looked absolutely terrible. It's very unlike him to give possession away so cheaply. Hope that's the only problem.
 
Changeisgood said:
Well fair then. Probably should not have played at all then. He looked absolutely terrible. It's very unlike him to give possession away so cheaply. Hope that's the only problem.
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It was very obviously the only problem.

We need to invest in our attack this window if we want to even be serious about a trophy this season. Otherwise we'll be underwhelming across the board.
 
Changeisgood said:
Heard Nwaneri is now injured as well. Hard to manage all of this.
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As it stands we are down to 3 fit forwards. Certainly not ideal. Maybe Havertz comes back from illness, Sterling should be available in the next week or so. Hopefully it's just a minor issue for Nwaneri as well.
 
wr8_utd said:
The only reason its actually not been killed off yet is because Liverpool have also dropped points in 3 games in their last six you'd have backed them to win.
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But mate so have we. Our form and theirs is identical. If they drew so did we. The problem being 8 pts behind is we need to win on their draws but instead we draw too.

We need a run like last year. 16/18. And with fixtures we have it can happen but whether it will or not...
 
ArtetasHair said:
But mate so have we. Our form and theirs is identical. If they drew so did we. The problem being 8 pts behind is we need to win on their draws but instead we draw too.

We need a run like last year. 16/18. And with fixtures we have it can happen but whether it will or not...
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Check our injuries/lack of in that period. We're never going on that run this year.
 
Donaldo said:
Check our injuries/lack of in that period. We're never going on that run this year.
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Yeah it won't. Hence why the league will be very hard for us.

Also the injuries is partly his fault. Noone asked him to play Saka 130 games last 3 years. Pointless games eg in the CL or domestic cups where we'd qualified or were ahead he'd still play Saka every second. He'd never sub him off either. Same for Odegaard. He even admits it himself in the last interview.

It was inevitable Saka would break down.
 
If Arteta ever wins the PL with Arsenal, then he'd be the longest serving manager at a single club to then manage to win it -

Eleven different managers have won the title since the division’s formation in 1992. Five of them — Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti, Manuel Pellegrini and Antonio Conte — all won it in their first Premier League season (or first full season, in Wenger’s case). Claudio Ranieri won it in his first season with Leicester City, having been away from the league for a decade. Sir Alex Ferguson technically did it in his first full Premier League season, although he’d been in charge for five years beforehand in the old First Division.
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Elsewhere, Pep Guardiola did it in his second season, Roberto Mancini in his second full season. Kenny Dalglish took three Premier League seasons with Blackburn Rovers, while Jurgen Klopp was actually highly unusual in taking four full seasons to win the title.
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SilentWitness said:
If Arteta ever wins the PL with Arsenal, then he'd be the longest serving manager at a single club to then manage to win it -
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How many managers have actually lasted 5+ years? Can't imagine there would be many.
 
GoonerBear said:
How many managers have actually lasted 5+ years? Can't imagine there would be many.
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Yeah that's a bit of a pointless stat, the PL has changed a lot and the big clubs are dropping billions in transfers whoever is in charge. You just have to arrive at the right time at Chelsea, City or Liverpool.
Longest serving managers are Frank, Emery, Howe and Marco Silva. Only 2 of them would have a slight chance to win it but it would require rules changes, lots of money and unprecedented bad seasons from litteraly everyone to happen.

We need someone (or 2) to arrive quickly and not wait 11pm on the last day again. Links to Kubo sounds a bit fake and agent led.
 
GoonerBear said:
How many managers have actually lasted 5+ years? Can't imagine there would be many.
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awop said:
Yeah that's a bit of a pointless stat, the PL has changed a lot and the big clubs are dropping billions in transfers whoever is in charge. You just have to arrive at the right time at Chelsea, City or Liverpool.
Longest serving managers are Frank, Emery, Howe and Marco Silva. Only 2 of them would have a slight chance to win it but it would require rules changes, lots of money and unprecedented bad seasons from litteraly everyone to happen.

We need someone (or 2) to arrive quickly and not wait 11pm on the last day again. Links to Kubo sounds a bit fake and agent led.
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I don't think it's that pointless. It isn't the be all and end all but I do think there is some point to the fact that it's quite difficult to maintain 'success' and to keep going year after year in terms of motivating a group of players and ultimately winning something with them.
 
SilentWitness said:
I don't think it's that pointless. It isn't the be all and end all but I do think there is some point to the fact that it's quite difficult to maintain 'success' and to keep going year after year in terms of motivating a group of players and ultimately winning something with them.
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It's difficult to win something point blank.
 
SilentWitness said:
I don't think it's that pointless. It isn't the be all and end all but I do think there is some point to the fact that it's quite difficult to maintain 'success' and to keep going year after year in terms of motivating a group of players and ultimately winning something with them.
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It is pointless because like he said, it is a lot about timing. Arteta came in at a time Pep could do no wrong. This is the first season he has looked anything but that. Wenger, Ferguson did not have that situation when they came in. Then you have Chelsea/City spending billions, that throws everything out of wack. Slot will likely do it but let's be honest. He is walking into a set team that plays itself because of what Klopp . And he has a few players playing at the peak of their powers. That again is timing.

Would have been crazy if Arteta had managed to win it 2 years ago. Almost got there, but he looks to be struggling this year. Injuries have not helped. Mentality has slipped in my opinion as well. We are too scared to lose, hence the draws and the stagnant play.
 
Changeisgood said:
It is pointless because like he said, it is a lot about timing. Arteta came in at a time Pep could do no wrong. This is the first season he has looked anything but that. Wenger, Ferguson did not have that situation when they came in. Then you have Chelsea/City spending billions, that throws everything out of wack. Slot will likely do it but let's be honest. He is walking into a set team that plays itself because of what Klopp . And he has a few players playing at the peak of their powers. That again is timing.

Would have been crazy if Arteta had managed to win it 2 years ago. Almost got there, but he looks to be struggling this year. Injuries have not helped. Mentality has slipped in my opinion as well. We are too scared to lose, hence the draws and the stagnant play.
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It isn't pointless. As you've just pointed out, your mentality has slipped.

Winning earlier rather than later, helps in factors such as those.
 
SilentWitness said:
It isn't pointless. As you've just pointed out, your mentality has slipped.

Winning earlier rather than later, helps in factors such as those.
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Given where we were when Arteta came in I think it's obvious he was never going to win early so I'm not really sure what point you're getting at.
 
Yeah very light in the attacking department, but if you get your players back you are fine again, so it's a slippery slope to bring someone in just for the sake of it.
 
I think Arsenal need to be wary of the next few games. Newcastle (Carabao Cup), United (FA Cup), Spurs and Villa (both league). Big couple of weeks for their season.
 
SparcMac said:
Yeah very light in the attacking department, but if you get your players back you are fine again, so it's a slippery slope to bring someone in just for the sake of it.
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I think what they need in attack is someone to come in and be the bonafide star on at LW. Not someone to come and compete with Martinelli and Trossard. Imo anyway. I don't think they can get that kind of player in January. Leao, Kvara, Nico Williams etc I think one of these on the left to balance out the threat Saka provides from the right would make them such a dangerous team.

If they then add a striker like Gyokeres or Osimhen too, then off transfer business alone I might make them favourites for the title next season (obviously pending what other teams do).
 
WeePat said:
I think what they need in attack is someone to come in and be the bonafide star on at LW. Not someone to come and compete with Martinelli and Trossard. Imo anyway. I don't think they can get that kind of player in January. Leao, Kvara, Nico Williams etc I think one of these on the left to balance out the threat Saka provides from the right would make them such a dangerous team.

If they then add a striker like Gyokeres or Osimhen too, then off transfer business alone I might make them favourites for the title next season (obviously pending what other teams do).
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I agree. I love Martinelli and hope he can rediscover his form but if we want to win the league we need a Diaz/Jota caliber of player on the left to mirror Saka. And a striker.
That's 150M+ on 2 players, not impossible to do if we clear Jesus, Zinchenko, Kiwior. Partey also needs replacing. 3 world class first-teamers are needed.
 
awop said:
I agree. I love Martinelli and hope he can rediscover his form but if we want to win the league we need a Diaz/Jota caliber of player on the left to mirror Saka. And a striker.
That's 150M+ on 2 players, not impossible to do if we clear Jesus, Zinchenko, Kiwior. Partey also needs replacing. 3 world class first-teamers are needed.
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I have been trying to guess if he will sign players but going by his statements seems unlikely in January. I would love a Jota like player. I also think maybe we could have kept ESR? Could have been handy.
 
I mean, Trossard is a Jota-like player. The issue is top end talent in the frontline. Only Saka is a consistent difference maker, the rest are good but not top quality players. Havertz, Trossard, Martinelli are all good enough to play in title winning sides, but not if they’re all you have.

The obvious issue is that it’s going to be very difficult to find the player that meaningfully upgrades the attack. And I don’t think they’ll be available in January.
 
ThierryHenry said:
I mean, Trossard is a Jota-like player. The issue is top end talent in the frontline. Only Saka is a consistent difference maker, the rest are good but not top quality players. Havertz, Trossard, Martinelli are all good enough to play in title winning sides, but not if they’re all you have.

The obvious issue is that it’s going to be very difficult to find the player that meaningfully upgrades the attack. And I don’t think they’ll be available in January.
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I don't think they are anywhere near quality-wise. Jota is a true manace, and he can score from every position, left foot, right foot, for such a small player, he has this habit of getting on the end of a lot of headers by simply smartly positioning himself.
 
Vidooq said:
I don't think they are anywhere near quality-wise. Jota is a true manace, and he can score from every position, left foot, right foot, for such a small player, he has this habit of getting on the end of a lot of headers by simply smartly positioning himself.
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I could see a similarity a bit when Jota was at Wolves and Trossard was at Brighton, but Jota has developed more through the middle where like you say he's shown he can be a very good goalscorer.
 
SilentWitness said:
It isn't pointless. As you've just pointed out, your mentality has slipped.

Winning earlier rather than later, helps in factors such as those.
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We could have won the league with last season's form and mentality. So again in my opinion, it's about timing more than anything.

Last season and even the one before that we had a bit of arrogance and positivity on the pitch that made us odds on favorite to win before we started a game. Now it is very cagey stuff during almost all of the matches.

Success breeds success. There is that to it, so they do need something significant after 3 years to know they can get over that last hurdle. There is definitely some psychological boost needed.

We may have peaked to be honest as well, without some more key reinforcement(s)
 
So basically they are now completely allowed to foul opposition goalkeepers on corners and set pieces?

Watching tonight's game, again clear foul on Dubravka and ref doesn't even care for the situation, Arsenal player once again pushes the goalkeeper as soon as he tries to jump for the ball which makes him lose the control and miss the flight of the ball and Arsenal almost score from it.

I guess we can only blame other clubs for being idiots and not trying their chances, I am really not sure why other clubs don't try for direct corner goals and fouling the keeper, surely the chances from scoring are now very high considering you are allowed to push goalkeeper without any consequences.
 
Should Arsenal get knocked out of the FA Cup (hopefully Sunday) it will be one trophy in 6 years for Arteta and that was five years ago in a final played behind closed doors.
 
Getting knocked out of this tournament isn't really the worst thing in the world.
 
wr8_utd said:
Getting knocked out of this tournament isn't really the worst thing in the world.
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It is when you have not been winning anything. Getting knocked out against Newcastle is a very poor result. Lose this Sunday, most likely another trophyless season
 
wr8_utd said:
Getting knocked out of this tournament isn't really the worst thing in the world.
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Worth noting, they still have to play the second leg either way. So for the sake of one less game, they're missing out on a final. That's not great. Fair enough if it was earlier in the competition.
 
DennisReynolds said:
Worth noting, they still have to play the second leg either way. So for the sake of one less game, they're missing out on a final. That's not great. Fair enough if it was earlier in the competition.
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If they do decide to rest their players and focus on the league instead, that's more important. I personally don't really rate this tournament at all it really isn't a loss to be kicked out even at this stage. You also get to avoid further fixture pileup with another game rescheduled for the final. Don't think they'll be too gutted about this.
 
wr8_utd said:
If they do decide to rest their players and focus on the league instead, that's more important. I personally don't really rate this tournament at all it really isn't a loss to be kicked out even at this stage. You also get to avoid further fixture pileup with another game rescheduled for the final. Don't think they'll be too gutted about this.
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If Arteta rests players when they're (only) 2 goals down in a semi final, they deserve to win no trophies. Loser's mentality - Arteta won't do that though.
 
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