I'll be honest, if we lose another close title race but end up with an FA cup I'd be disappointed and consider this season another failure.
No, I'd say it was because you were arseholes. City are successful too and they have nowhere near the same hatred you guys had
Yes it's because they're not arseholes. You've definitely thought this one through!
You said it yourself. We were penalised. I hope City are too with the appropriate measures i.e expulsion from the league.
No one cares about city winning trophies. They won a freaking treble and yet are not looked as a big club. They have been dominating football for a decade now and yet are not looked as a big club. I feel they will never get that respect.
Man United fans chatting to you like they haven't also been punished for FFP shenanigans is just outrageous.
It'll come for them eventually. Chelsea are looked at as a big club now and part of the furniture at the top. If City can get away with a minor points deduction and no further punishment they'll end up being looked at the same way.
Chelsea even before the takeover were a decent club who were finishing in top 6 to 10 and won trophies as well. City on the other hand just before take over were a nothing club losing 8-1 to Boro and playing in lower league less than a decade back from the takeover. Maybe if they continue dominating for another 20 years then they become a big club but so far I don't see anything that screams a big club. Amazing side and a great manager but their wins feel nothing.
Hard to hate us when I'm our only fan.
When you actually win trophies you'll understand.
So what...Manchester United outspent everyone during their reign...We won titles during that time as well. And then Chelsea bought some titles...are those being wiped out mentally? Of course not. It doesn't matter that it is shallow. In the end the record books will show that they won and in 10 years nobody will care how they won it, as the record will still stand. And the record already shows that Pep has won 6 PL titles in 8 years which outdoes Ferguson, who I do have respect for. Whatever math gymnastics you are using, that return is higher than his.
Wrong
This has been proven false many times.
Yes, but if you ignore that, it's obviously true.
It is correct. You outspent everyone for most of those PL titles. Your rate of return I might say declined heavily when others started to join the spending fray. 7 of those titles were won before Abramoviich jumped onboard. Thats most of your titles won during the time you were spending the most. You are cherry picking data by including the last years which are grossly inflated numbers compared ro rhe previous years where we were your main rivals.
Between 1993-2000 United were either 3rd or 2nd for total transfer + wage spend (cumulative). Liverpool topped it for the majority.
Double down on being wrong. And people wonder why Arsenal fans have a bad rap.
Stopped reading here, absolute nonsense! I suggest you educate yourself on the history of PL spending. I suppose it helps you oppo fans to cope better if you believe Utd only dominated because we “outspent” everyone.
No, it doesn't mean everything. That's the point the Man Utd fans were making in dismissing Pep Nd Man City's achievements...oh it doesn't matter cause they outspent everyone...read the posts before that. You cannot argue one and not the other.
Yes, that should be the line of argument. All the top teams spend, and spending itself doesnt make the winner. We did quite well over the years going up against Fergie, while Pool apparently spent more and got nothing much. And we can see with Chelsea right now that it doesn't always mean everything either...it does definitely help though to spend. The idea that we are just going to "will" away all these City trophies here though is simply not reality.
You really need to stop this
No, re-read again. One of your own was stating nobody cares because City spent billions...and cheated. Spent billions is not the argument and is still not because you have as well. The whole goalposts where moved in the first place, because the original argument is whether or not City's achievements mean anything or not. For a forum that spends most of its time talking about trophies, and keep reminding us Arsenal fans about it, and then suddenly dismissing the City ones as irrelevant is weird.
I dont digest it, I think most Arsenal fans are only interested about it in the last two years. I have never digested Chelsea or City, but I am not in the majority here. Liverpool probably cared before that but it has emerged more as a talking point in recent years...and Man Utd fans because well it takes some of the attention that City are now the greatest team. i am surprised by how many Man Utd fans are saying...it doesnt mean anything or matter. It feels like they are kidding themselves.
Definitely Arsenal > City
