To be fair, this is only one dimension to our game, introduced in 23/24.This Arsenal side are basically everything I hate about modern (on-field) football.
4xCBs, 2xDMs. Immediate unpunished tactical foul if they ever lose the ball in a position where they have less than 9 men back. Constant diving and shithousing from the front three players to buy set pieces. Nick a goal from a set piece or hope Saka can knock one in from 25 yards. When you're winning, check the rota to see whose turn it is to do the nice little timewasting fake injury and pep talk. Rinse and repeat.
It's very effective. Absolute dogshit to watch. Mourinho would blush.
I’m not going to bother watching.I do tune in to hate-watch our rivals on the off chance they lose.
Arsenal may be my least favourite team to watch as they're so solid defensively it never really feels like the opposition will score.
They've started off the season the same way they did last year, not much in attack and relying on the defence.
I suspect City at the weekend will be another 0-0 or 1-0 either way with barely a chance on goal.
Arsenal fans used to hate Jose and his boring football, and now they are doing the exact same things. At least peak Jose team were fun on counters. This Arsenal side on most occasions against any half decent side just sit back.
This Arsenal side are basically everything I hate about modern (on-field) football.
4xCBs, 2xDMs. Immediate unpunished tactical foul if they ever lose the ball in a position where they have less than 9 men back. Constant diving and shithousing from the front three players to buy set pieces. Nick a goal from a set piece or hope Saka can knock one in from 25 yards. When you're winning, check the rota to see whose turn it is to do the nice little timewasting fake injury and pep talk. Rinse and repeat.
It's very effective. Absolute dogshit to watch. Mourinho would blush.
Funny, last year when we were free scoring in the second half of the season, we were way more entertaining than City as per rival fans. Start of a new season, and a few games in, without Odegaard, we are the most uninspiring team in the world. It is really all about what have you done for me lately attitude isn't it?
We are not comparable to the Wenger days but we are capable of some pretty good football. We started the last season very slow attack-wise too.
We scored 91 goals in the league last seasonWhen Arteta first joined they just sat back aswell but had a one man counter attack with prime Aubameyang. I'm starting to believe he's just not a good offensive manager.
And none of our teams were as bad anti football wise as this lot, perhaps only the 2012 one but most of our players then were over the hill at that point so it was necessary to win the CL.
We had 4 more set piece goals than City last year.I'd be interested to know how many of your goals to take the lead came from set pieces last season, which causes teams to open up more and then you pick them off.
Yeah, I’m not buying that Arteta is a defensive manager or Arsenal is a defensive side. You scored last season or two for fun. Sure, Lego Pep is prioritising being defensively solid first and foremost but comparing him to Jose is laughable. If anything he’s a possession based manager and his team controls most of the games for a start.Funny, last year when we were free scoring in the second half of the season, we were way more entertaining than City as per rival fans. Start of a new season, and a few games in, without Odegaard, we are the most uninspiring team in the world. It is really all about what have you done for me lately attitude isn't it?
We are not comparable to the Wenger days but we are capable of some pretty good football. We started the last season very slow attack-wise too.
I mean I find both brands of football pretty dull, but City has tended to have more game breaking attackers that are enjoyable to watch while Arsenal has mainly been Saka and then everything else chipped in from Ode, Havertz, Trossard, and set pieces.Funny, last year when we were free scoring in the second half of the season, we were way more entertaining than City as per rival fans. Start of a new season, and a few games in, without Odegaard, we are the most uninspiring team in the world. It is really all about what have you done for me lately attitude isn't it?
We are not comparable to the Wenger days but we are capable of some pretty good football. We started the last season very slow attack-wise too.
That’s the grand question though isn’t it? The more pragmatic/unpleasing on the eye you are as a big club the more important achieving and winning things becomes.if it leads to trophies.
They are missing an unpredictable winger like Doku or prime Nani.
I mean you say Arteta isn't defensive citing the goals Arsenal scored but doesn't Jose hold the record for goals in a season in any top 5 league? (CBA to check if City have broken it or not recent years).Yeah, I’m not buying that Arteta is a defensive manager or Arsenal is a defensive side. You scored last season or two for fun. Sure, Lego Pep is prioritising being defensively solid first and foremost but comparing him to Jose is laughable. If anything he’s a possession based manager and his team controls most of the games for a start.
Yeah I think he does with that 11/12 Madrid teamI mean you say Arteta isn't defensive citing the goals Arsenal scored but doesn't Jose hold the record for goals in a season in any top 5 league? (CBA to check if City have broken it or not recent years).
Madrid fans wouldn't accept defensive, low scoring football so it's the only time Mourinho has been been forced to completely change his approach in his career (though he did go defensive for the occasional big game, as he had enough credit in the bank for his attacking football in the other games). His Madrid team never really felt defensively solid like his other great sides probably due to his much more high risk attacking approach, I remember a string of El Classico's where he went full high press and left gaps at the back for Barca to exploit, some of what we saw at Madrid was the opposite to the Mourinho philosophy.I mean you say Arteta isn't defensive citing the goals Arsenal scored but doesn't Jose hold the record for goals in a season in any top 5 league? (CBA to check if City have broken it or not recent years).
Almost every person who's criticised Arsenal's playing style has highlighted how good defensively you are.I see all the criticism, however I bet deep down rival fans crave our ability to shut teams out.
Last season we were defensively oriented as well when the season started. I think it makes sense...you build confidence from the back, and our defense is the best in the league. We will find out legs a little more in attack in the second half of the season for sure. Need Odegaard back too, and we really need one more attacking threat.
Last season we were defensively oriented as well when the season started. I think it makes sense...you build confidence from the back, and our defense is the best in the league. We will find out legs a little more in attack in the second half of the season for sure. Need Odegaard back too, and we really need one more attacking threat.
We’ve literally just had the two highest scoring seasons in our PL history back to back. It’s absolute nonsense.So the 2nd highest-scoring team in the Premier League 23/24 are being called defensive?
I'm so confused by this take!
We’ve literally just had the two highest scoring seasons in our PL history back to back. It’s absolute nonsense.
Hes not perfect but whether they want to admit it or not, our Rivals (except City) would take Arteta tomorrow given the option (maybe not Spurs).
Have sat back only against City. And even then got the better chances. Dominated Spurs last 2 years and this year had the entire midfield missing. Against Villa had more of the ball too. Last year too even bigger. Against Liverpool wiped the floor with them with their oy goal coming from our mistake. At Anfield can hardly blame us for sitting back.Arsenal fans used to hate Jose and his boring football, and now they are doing the exact same things. At least peak Jose team were fun on counters. This Arsenal side on most occasions against any half decent side just sit back.
They need to start winning trophies because sooner or later their fans will get fed up of watching that dross without any reward.
Have sat back only against City. And even then got the better chances. Dominated Spurs last 2 years and this year had the entire midfield missing. Against Villa had more of the ball too. Last year too even bigger. Against Liverpool wiped the floor with them with their oy goal coming from our mistake. At Anfield can hardly blame us for sitting back.
Last year our average possession across the season was 58 percent with the most goals scored.
Without Odegaard we look like Jose's Chelsea I agree however. But I find that a compliment. On this very forum we'd be laughed at years ago for playing pretty football and winning nothing. And this is the ruthlessness Utd had under SAF. Win. At all costs even on a bad day at the office.
Lots of them will remember the George Graham era.Arsenal fans used to hate Jose and his boring football, and now they are doing the exact same things. At least peak Jose team were fun on counters. This Arsenal side on most occasions against any half decent side just sit back.
It’s more the way Arsenal play, they win a lot of games off the ball I feel. Their pressing is excellent and they suffocate teams and pin them back, and then any ball in behind or over the top, Saliba runs them down. Very difficult to play against and eventually a lot of teams run out of ideas and make mistakes themselves. I don’t think that many Arsenal goals are created by ingenius play on the ball or moments of magic, compared to say the Wenger era. It’s very effective but maybe lacking in flair.We’ve literally just had the two highest scoring seasons in our PL history back to back. It’s absolute nonsense.
Hes not perfect but whether they want to admit it or not, our Rivals (except City) would take Arteta tomorrow given the option (maybe not Spurs).
It’s more the way Arsenal play, they win a lot of games off the ball I feel. Their pressing is excellent and they suffocate teams and pin them back, and then any ball in behind or over the top, Saliba runs them down. Very difficult to play against and eventually a lot of teams run out of ideas and make mistakes themselves. I don’t think that many Arsenal goals are created by ingenius play on the ball or moments of magic, compared to say the Wenger era. It’s very effective but maybe lacking in flair.
I would put it down to Odegaard missing. When he plays, their attack is a lot more potent and easy on the eye to an extent. They create way more and they keep possession far better.
It's only been two games, so it's a very small sample size, and Arteta may eventually figure out a way to create without him, but at the moment it's looking like 100% of Arsenal's creativity is Odegaard.
