Television Arrow | Ending on Season 8

reelworld said:
It's much better.
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SqueakyWeasel said:
Cheers!
Just watched season 1 episode 1, looks promising! Never saw the MILF mum cliff-hanger ending coming :eek:.
56 episodes to go to catch up … that'll give me something to do CL nights :p
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The acting on Gotham is much, much better. People are just not willing to give a Batman show a chance. Arrow is targeted to teenagers, Gotham is more complex IMO.
 
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Hoof The Ball said:
Any episode with Crixus in it scores an automatic high in my book!

Read a really ridiculous rumour that Diggle's real name is Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) :lol:. Anyhow, looking forward to seeing what they do with Malc Merlyn and whether we'll get some more extended scenes involving Thea's low-cut shirts. :drool:
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The rumour is that John Diggle's real name is John Stewart, who was the dark skinned Green Lantern. I don't like it, but it would make more sense than Diggle being Hal Jordan
 
Hoof The Ball said:
Any episode with Crixus in it scores an automatic high in my book!

Read a really ridiculous rumour that Diggle's real name is Hal Jordan (Green Lantern) :lol:. Anyhow, looking forward to seeing what they do with Malc Merlyn and whether we'll get some more extended scenes involving Thea's low-cut shirts. :drool:
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The rumour was that his middle name could be Stewart as in John Stewart Diggle. That rumour has since been quashed with his middle name being Andrew.
 
Loublaze said:
The acting on Gotham is much, much better. People are just not willing to give a Batman show a chance. Arrow is targeted to teenagers, Gotham is more complex IMO.
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Thats debatable tbh.

And whilst on the subject, Gotham is not a batman show. Sure, its got Batman in it, but unless theres a serious time jump, youll never see Batman in it.

Arrow on the other hand, has quite clearly got more in common with Batman, than he does Green Arrow in the comics. Just in terms of character traits.

Dont think anyone has an issue with a well done "Batman" show on TV at all.

Golden Nugget said:
The rumour is that John Diggle's real name is John Stewart, who was the dark skinned Green Lantern. I don't like it, but it would make more sense than Diggle being Hal Jordan
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You can say black, its not taboo.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
You can say black, its not taboo.
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I try to avoid it due to my upbringing. I was an Asian brought up in Australia - I remember one time I was playing football, I yelled out man up on the black guy. My coach talked to me personally after the game saying it was a little racist, and me being Asian made it worse. Since then I do try to avoid it a little but there are times where it does pop out.
 
Golden Nugget said:
I try to avoid it due to my upbringing. I was an Asian brought up in Australia - I remember one time I was playing football, I yelled out man up on the black guy. My coach talked to me personally after the game saying it was a little racist, and me being Asian made it worse. Since then I do try to avoid it a little but there are times where it does pop out.
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Guarantee if you said "Man up on the dark skinned guy" it woulda been worse. Just say black. Its fine.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Thats debatable tbh.

And whilst on the subject, Gotham is not a batman show. Sure, its got Batman in it, but unless theres a serious time jump, youll never see Batman in it.

Arrow on the other hand, has quite clearly got more in common with Batman, than he does Green Arrow in the comics. Just in terms of character traits.

Dont think anyone has an issue with a well done "Batman" show on TV at all.
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Its debatable indeed, but Gotham has more seasoned actors in it, that's a simple fact. The acting on 'Arrow' can get very soap opera like and the dialogue can be bland but I look past those limitations because I don't expect too much from it. Oliver and Laurel are the worst characters on the show, they totally lack believability when it comes to conveying emotion especially.

Back to Gotham, its not about Batman and I know this, but try telling that to the viewers. I've seen a lot of viewer reviews on here and other places talking about how they think 'Batman has been done to death' blah blah. They refuse to consider that the show is not about Batman.
 
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TBF, if you mention that a show is called "Gotham" without watching it or reading what its about and it contains Bruce Wayne, your initial thinking is its about Bruce Wayne, his life and how he eventually becomes batman.

Back to Arrow, this season hasnt been as strong as the others, but its still fun. For me, it just complements back to back viewing with Flash.
 
Loublaze said:
Its debatable indeed, but Gotham has more seasoned actors in it, that's a simple fact. The acting on 'Arrow' can get very soap opera like and the dialogue can be bland but I look past those limitations because I don't expect too much from it.

Back to Gotham, its not about Batman and I know this, but try telling that to the viewers. I've seen a lot of viewer reviews on here and other places talking about how they think 'Batman has been done to death' blah blah. They refuse to consider that the show is not about Batman.
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I love both shows equally. Arrow has been brilliant since the beginning and although it's definitely not as "adult" or dark and gritty as Gotham, it still has its moments, especially for a show aired before the watershed. I still find it quite dark and it's all shaping up nicely this series, there are so many ways they can go from where it is at the moment. Anyway, Arrow seasons always start a bit slow while they introduce new characters and storylines.

Gotham has just pleasantly surprised me. After all the bad or average reviews I read I wasn't expecting much, but I think it has been great so far.

I like The Flash too, it's definitely the weakest of the three shows but I can ignore the cheese and must admit it has a certain charm about it. I also like the joint storylines it shares with Arrow at times.
 
langster said:
I love both shows equally. Arrow has been brilliant since the beginning and although it's definitely not as "adult" or dark and gritty as Gotham, it still has its moments, especially for a show aired before the watershed. I still find it quite dark and it's all shaping up nicely this series, there are so many ways they can go from where it is at the moment. Anyway, Arrow seasons always start a bit slow while they introduce new characters and storylines.

Gotham has just pleasantly surprised me. After all the bad or average reviews I read I wasn't expecting much, but I think it has been great so far.

I like The Flash too, it's definitely the weakest of the three shows but I can ignore the cheese and must admit it has a certain charm about it. I also like the joint storylines it shares with Arrow at times.
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I enjoy Arrow as well. I just completed season two. Some of the acting is wooden though, but the story drives the show. Gotham on the other hand deserves more credit than it gets. I'll start the Flash when I get caught up on the shows on my watchlist. I've seen trailers and it does look cheesy, but like you I can live with that if the story and pacing is good enough.
 
Loublaze said:
I enjoy Arrow as well. I just completed season two. Some of the acting is wooden though, but the story drives the show. Gotham on the other hand deserves more credit than it gets. I'll start the Flash when I get caught up on the shows on my watchlist. I've seen trailers and it does look cheesy, but like you I can live with that if the story and pacing is good enough.
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If you can, try to watch The Flash and Series 3 of Arrow together. They link in together a few times so it's quite important.

I agree some of the acting can be a little wooden, but I like them using relatively unknown or lesser known actors. It's more than made up for with the amazing action sequences and it really does connect the audience to the characters well and as you said the stories are good and the show is well paced.
 
I actually think Flash is the best of the three. The scenes tend to be more humorous than the two other darker shows and the storyline as of now looks unpredictable, which is what I look for. Arrow for me is great but the season hasn't been as good. Although I still can't get used to Gotham not being around Bruce.
 
crimsonife said:
I actually think Flash is the best of the three. The scenes tend to be more humorous than the two other darker shows and the storyline as of now looks unpredictable, which is what I look for. Arrow for me is great but the season hasn't been as good. Although I still can't get used to Gotham not being around Bruce.
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The flash has a very predictable storyline. Couldnt tell you whats gonna happen in Arrow or Gotham though.
 
crimsonife said:
I actually think Flash is the best of the three. The scenes tend to be more humorous than the two other darker shows and the storyline as of now looks unpredictable, which is what I look for. Arrow for me is great but the season hasn't been as good. Although I still can't get used to Gotham not being around Bruce.
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Although I agree the Flash has more humour I can't agree that it's the best or unpredictable. To be honest, it has the most obvious storyline out of them all. I also agree this may be Arrows weakest season start, but it has definitely had it's moments. As I said it tied in well with The Flash, and most importantly, it is really building the storylines and has amazing potential with all the characters involved.

Sorry to disagree again but I love the fact that Gotham isn't just centred around Bruce Wayne. You appreciate it more when it does flick back to Bruce and it's really delving deep in to Gotham and why it is the way it is and why it needs Batman. It's also nice to see some real background to all the other characters from the Batman and DC Universe. I also love the way that Gotham fits so well with the more recent Batman movies and also the outstanding video games. Some of the scenes from Gotham look exactly like Arkham Asylum or Arkham City.
 
Gothic, lol.

Good point on doing Arrow season 3 and Flash together (Flash first, then arrow) mainly cos of the crossover which will make more sense (though theres a week break in one of the shows so be careful - maybe line it up with epguides based on release dates)
 
langster said:
Although I agree the Flash has more humour I can't agree that it's the best or unpredictable. To be honest, it has the most obvious storyline out of them all. I also agree this may be Arrows weakest season start, but it has definitely had it's moments. As I said it tied in well with The Flash, and most importantly, it is really building the storylines and has amazing potential with all the characters involved.

Sorry to disagree again but I love the fact that Gotham isn't just centred around Bruce Wayne. You appreciate it more when it does flick back to Bruce and it's really delving deep in to Gotham and why it is the way it is and why it needs Batman. It's also nice to see some real background to all the other characters from the Batman and DC Universe. I also love the way that Gotham fits so well with the more recent Batman movies and also the outstanding video games. Some of the scenes from Gotham look exactly like Arkham Asylum or Arkham City.
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I was saying what I felt anyway, there isn't much a difference in quality. Looking at it again Gotham is unpredictable, but Arrow for me looks much more simple than Flash for me, which may be because it hasn't revealed as much as Arrow in season 3. What I see is that the direction of Arrow looks clear with flashbacks of the 5 years and current times whereas I don't really know where Flash is headed.

As for the Gotham thing it's unique not to have a Batman show around Batman himself, but that's not to say I don't love it.
 
At last a good episode, plenty happening.

Sadly I can see Diggle dying, what a fecking shame it will be.
 
I hope fckin not. Loved that episode. Wasnt expecting the ending tbh. Also nice to see the Atom getting stuff done. Hopefully theres no more talk of Oliver and Felicity ever again. Thought that ruined Felcity. If they must do a love angle with her, better with Ray Palmer.

Much like Flash, looks like we have to freakin wait until end of March for the next ep.
 
Just saw the episode... wow. Excellent episode and the end scene just left me in shock. Really didn't expect that. Wikipedia says that next episode is set to air on March 18th, which is just bloody annoying.

@Kostur - I have the same feeling, and I too hope not. All the signs are pointing to it, so it may seem a bit cliche'd - so there is hope that the Arrow producers do not take this direction.

@Sylar Completely agree - I got sick of Felicity this season as she just flat out annoyed me. Hope she can be back to the funny Felicity from seasons 1 & 2.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
Thats debatable tbh.

And whilst on the subject, Gotham is not a batman show. Sure, its got Batman in it, but unless theres a serious time jump, youll never see Batman in it.

Arrow on the other hand, has quite clearly got more in common with Batman, than he does Green Arrow in the comics. Just in terms of character traits.

Dont think anyone has an issue with a well done "Batman" show on TV at all.
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The Arrow creators even admit that they take inspirations from Batman Begins. And Arrow is essentially a Batman show without Batman.
- Billionaire playboy, checked
- Former military as trusted confidant, check
- Took on a kid to mentor, check
- Underground headquarter, check
- Had a girl as the computer wiz/hacker, checked.
- Have Ra's Al Ghul as enemy, checked.
However, the show was well done. The acting could get too wooden, but I like the archery and the "superhero" action shown here.
Flash also did a great job. Here's a light and optimistic superhero who embraces his destiny happily. The Flash series is what Man of Steel movie should be, but WB had no courage to make. I think the crossovers episodes was fantastic in showing the difference between Flash and Arrow and how they mesh. It would be pretty bad if the Justice League movie failed to match that
 
Loved the episode, was brilliant but Felicity is starting to really piss me off reminding Arrow constantly how he got butt-whooped by Ra's.

On another note. Merlin clearly beat Arrow AND Thea together, he is stronger than them and training them yet he loses to that Assassin woman who then loses to Arrow... A bit convenient there for the plot...
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Loved the episode, was brilliant but Felicity is starting to really piss me off reminding Arrow constantly how he got butt-whooped by Ra's.

On another note. Merlin clearly beat Arrow AND Thea together, he is stronger than them and training them yet he loses to that Assassin woman who then loses to Arrow... A bit convenient there for the plot...
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He is brilliant with an arrow but not so good with the sword. During the fight with Nyssa, he put some distance between them and shot a trick arrow at her to catch her, which would be different from beating her in a sword fight or hand to hand combat. In a sword fight with Nyssa, I don't think he would do that good.

While on Oliver's sword fighting skills, I was wondering why didnt he go to Tatsu to learn sword fighting. Seemed like the most logical choice to take.
 
Was not shocked by that ending. Fully expect Talia to rape Arrow next season, and become pregnant.
 
harshad said:
He is brilliant with an arrow but not so good with the sword. During the fight with Nyssa, he put some distance between them and shot a trick arrow at her to catch her, which would be different from beating her in a sword fight or hand to hand combat. In a sword fight with Nyssa, I don't think he would do that good.

While on Oliver's sword fighting skills, I was wondering why didnt he go to Tatsu to learn sword fighting. Seemed like the most logical choice to take.
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Thats how I saw it as well. Also Malcolm made mention of it when he said that Thea is better than Oliver at it.

Such a shame we have to wait for a long time to see the next episode. They just freakin came back from a mid season break. Why another break? aghhh
 
Not had time to catch up on the latest episodes yet, but been reading about them in here (so yes obviously know a few spoilers). Really looking forward to catching up....although Malcolm is training Oliver?!
 
Am up to date with Gotham which breaks now until 18.04 …so I guess I can use the time to play catch-up here!

S01Ep18 at the mo:
Horny Thea sees her new beau taken kidnap and just about everyone and their dog already knows that Oliver is hoody so she's bound to be next. Torchwood guy will come back into it as the "evil arrow" now probs … then (re)start an affair with the yummy mummy!

Been told it gets better from here so lets see how far I get in one month!
 
Season 3 really isn't doing it for me. Overpowered Thea after training for half a year, Laurel being even more annoying than usual, Diggle and Roy being non-factors, lack of screen time for interesting bad guys like Slade or Ra's (Merlyn on the other hand is getting too much screen time, I can only take so much of John Barrowman hamming it up), flashbacks that are far less interesting than last seasons', and Felicity becoming a one-note character who is being wasted by the writers having her cry and participate in a love triangle nobody wants.

The only really good thing to come out of this season so far is Ray Palmer, and aside from the fact that he just looks like a poor man's Iron Man in costume, he's a decent character and Routh is doing a really great job with the role. Just please stop mentioning your dead wife every damn episode, we get it bro.
 
okLaptop1 said:
Season 3 really isn't doing it for me. Overpowered Thea after training for half a year, Laurel being even more annoying than usual, Diggle and Roy being non-factors, lack of screen time for interesting bad guys like Slade or Ra's (Merlyn on the other hand is getting too much screen time, I can only take so much of John Barrowman hamming it up), flashbacks that are far less interesting than last seasons', and Felicity becoming a one-note character who is being wasted by the writers having her cry and participate in a love triangle nobody wants.

The only really good thing to come out of this season so far is Ray Palmer, and aside from the fact that he just looks like a poor man's Iron Man in costume, he's a decent character and Routh is doing a really great job with the role. Just please stop mentioning your dead wife every damn episode, we get it bro.
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I agree - while there has been some good moments (anything that incoles Ra's) - it hasn't been a good season at all. Season 2 was the best as the flashbacks show Oliver's and Slade's relationship, not really knowing how that eventually broke off. I am still unsure where they are exactly heading with Season 3's flashback - they almost seem like fillers.
 
Agreed, Season 3 hasnt been as strong but I think its down to trying to build towards Ra's vs Arrow. Well I thought that, until the ending of the last episode. That really intrigues me and could produce some really fantastic stuff.

I do wonder how they will use Ray Palmer now.

Totally agree about Felicity. She was so much fun the first two seasons. The forced stuff with Arrow seemed like fan service rather than it making sense. I can only imagine a few scenes where she now has a go at Olly and cries about him even thinking about replacing Ra's.
 
I think that they're waiting for something big with those flashbacks, they need to make it click timeline-wise with the real time action, I still wonder whether that kid (Akiro?) is dead because that'd explain why Masseo joined LOA.

Completly agree that they're boring as feck though.
 
Kostur said:
I think that they're waiting for something big with those flashbacks, they need to make it click timeline-wise with the real time action, I still wonder whether that kid (Akiro?) is dead because that'd explain why Masseo joined LOA.

Completly agree that they're boring as feck though.
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I think Masseo's kid died. I'm sure they alluded to it when his wife was nursing Ollie after his fight with Ra's.
 
Nothing episode , with no real sense of direction.And flashbacks most stopped caring about quite a while ago.
 
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