Which one, "ray-sh"? That's how people said it before the Nolan films right. What's annoying about Arrow is that they haven't settled on one way to say it.
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Which one, "ray-sh"? That's how people said it before the Nolan films right. What's annoying about Arrow is that they haven't settled on one way to say it.
Yes, it's meant to be the word "head" right ? Which is pronounced very differently in Arabic. It's not really a huge concern tbh
Yes, it's meant to be the word "head" right ? Which is pronounced very differently in Arabic. It's not really a huge concern tbh
I don't know how it's pronounced in proper Arabic, I just wish the Arrow writers had just settled one on pronunciation and stuck to it. It makes no sense that Oliver would say it differently than Ra's himself.
How much is the Flash show linked with Arrow? I havent seen the Flash yet. Not sure if I should start.
You should. It's awesome. I really didn't expect to like it but was really impressed by it.
They're linked because they have several crossovers between the two shows and the Flash is very good anyway so you should watch it.
Just make Man Utd Bennet a series regualar already.
It happens in real life with real names, different people may pronounce the same name differently.
Sure, but that's because you've heard it another way differently. But I'm assuming Ra's is the only Ra's that Oliver knows. Why say it a completely new way for no reason?
Depends, maybe he saw the name Ra's in text form and has just pronounced it that way (phonetically) ever since. The character Oliver that is. It seems intentional because Ra's and his daughter both pronounce it the same way and it seems like a choice was made for Oliver to prononce it differently.
Its supposed to be prounounced " Raas" instead of "Raysh"
Depends what you mean by "supposed to". I believe that however the original creator of the character intended it to be said is the correct way to say it.
If it's a character choice it's one that doesn't seem necessary, only distracting.
Yes.
This. I expected it to be crap but it's one of the best shows on TV.
I also love the pace of the show. How they reveal something mysterious, and instead of endless misdirection and waiting until season 3 for the big reveal, they answer the question just a few episodes later.
Brilliant TV
No "depending" in this issue, the league of assassins are all arab / arab speaking assassins. Raas literally means "head" and the only way to pronounce head in arabic is "Raas" not "Raysh".
Raas also speaks arabic with Nyssa (as well as could be expected, our language is a difficult language) a few times, and each assassin has an arabic name to him, i.e:
Al Taer Al Asfar - The yellow bird (Canary)
Al Taer Al Aswad - The black bird (canary)
Al Awal - the first
Sarab - Mirage (this is Maseo's name)
Raas Al Ghoul - Head of the Ghoul (Demon)
So yeh, Raas is pronounced R-A-A-S not Raysh, trust me.
No "depending" in this issue, the league of assassins are all arab / arab speaking assassins. Raas literally means "head" and the only way to pronounce head in arabic is "Raas" not "Raysh".
Raas also speaks arabic with Nyssa (as well as could be expected, our language is a difficult language) a few times, and each assassin has an arabic name to him, i.e:
Al Taer Al Asfar - The yellow bird (Canary)
Al Taer Al Aswad - The black bird (canary)
Al Awal - the first
Sarab - Mirage (this is Maseo's name)
Raas Al Ghoul - Head of the Ghoul (Demon)
So yeh, Raas is pronounced R-A-A-S not Raysh, trust me.
You're missing the point. Everything you say is irrelevant if the creator of the character says otherwise. Even if the creator messed up the arabic pronunciation, it doesn't matter; his initial mistake is just how say the character's name. The namer decides what a proper noun sounds like, not anyone else.
Think of Notre Dame college in the States. They don't say it like how it's supposed to be said in French, but it doesn't matter; when you refer to that school, you say like how Americans say it. And that's correct. Trust me.
No "depending" in this issue, the league of assassins are all arab / arab speaking assassins. Raas literally means "head" and the only way to pronounce head in arabic is "Raas" not "Raysh".
Raas also speaks arabic with Nyssa (as well as could be expected, our language is a difficult language) a few times, and each assassin has an arabic name to him, i.e:
Al Taer Al Asfar - The yellow bird (Canary)
Al Taer Al Aswad - The black bird (canary)
Al Awal - the first
Sarab - Mirage (this is Maseo's name)
Raas Al Ghoul - Head of the Ghoul (Demon)
So yeh, Raas is pronounced R-A-A-S not Raysh, trust me.
That always bugged me about the show! If they're going to pretend to speak Arabic at least get the pronunciation right!
This week's episode was really good though it was kinda overshadowed by how good The Flash was. Still I really liked it and I love the fact that I have no idea whats going to happen.
racial ghoul!
You're missing the point. Everything you say is irrelevant if the creator of the character says otherwise. Even if the creator messed up the arabic pronunciation, it doesn't matter; his initial mistake is just how say the character's name. The namer decides what a proper noun sounds like, not anyone else.
Think of Notre Dame college in the States. They don't say it like how it's supposed to be said in French, but it doesn't matter; when you refer to that school, you say like how Americans say it. And that's correct. Trust me.
So based on that logic, lets go create a show called "El Cartel Mexicano" and have everyone called Mexican and spanish names, but hey, we're the creators so we'll speak Spanglish throughout the whole show and intentionally mispronounce everything in spanish and completely destroy the spanish language.
LoL i understand what you're saying, im just taking the piss cuz they are obliterating my language in the show!
ITS ARABIC YOU'RE KILLING ME I PROMISE YOU ITS NOT RAYSH
Enough, i must go shoot myself a few times
That always bugged me about the show! If they're going to pretend to speak Arabic at least get the pronunciation right!
This week's episode was really good though it was kinda overshadowed by how good The Flash was. Still I really liked it and I love the fact that I have no idea whats going to happen.
Whats really interesting is they are edging so close to Batman with the whole "Raysh" (uuuuh fek that, im gonna call him Dave from now one), they're edging so close to Batman with the whole Dave and the Lazarus pits, the show is literally crying out for a batman appearance of some kind.
So excited, the show is spectacular, wish they would kill out Laurel Lance, annoys the hell out of me.
ITS ARABIC YOU'RE KILLING ME I PROMISE YOU ITS NOT RAYSH
Enough, i must go shoot myself a few times
Ugh..... dude.
On the Arrow Wiki the information that says Al Ghuls name is written as رأس الغول << this however spells Perseus and not Ra's al Ghul which btw does not mean the head of the demon.
the word for demon in Arabic is the same for the devil ,which is seytan ( pronounced Sheytahn) so head of the demon would in Arabic would be رئيس شيطان properly pronounced in Arabic (rai-ees sheytahn)
if you want to pronounce his name grammatically correct , not that it really matters as he is a made up character ,it would be Rai-ees Alğool ( i used the turkish umlat G to express that there is no glottal expression on the g as it is almost silent) and would be spelt in Arabic as such رئيس غول it actually translates as the head of the ogre and not demon.
Ra'ees = Leader, boss.
Ra'as = Head
غول or Ghoul is, for us arabs, a type of demon, or Djinn. Especially the kind that is found at night, or follows lone travellers and we believe have the ability to perform black magic. They are also mentioned in our Holy Quran, I can cite them for you if you need.
Demon in arabic has many words, "devil" being one of them which would correctly translate as "shaytan". Demon could also translate to "Djinn" or "Ifrit", so its incorrect to say that the single translation of Demon is "devil" in our language.
And yes, this really is something that the world will continue living without us debating it however its my native tongue and I know what im on about, however Ra'ees Algool would translate to "Leader AlGhoul"
And im not using wiki / google translate here because that would not be an accurate representation of each word, its google translate, not an Arab translating arabic for you.
Meh, to each his own in the end, but if you want the correct, arabian way to pronounce what is clearly depicted both in character and name, what I have described is what is correct. You are free to pronounce it anyway you like otherwise
Too much discussion on how to say a fictional name :P
So based on that logic, lets go create a show called "El Cartel Mexicano" and have everyone called Mexican and spanish names, but hey, we're the creators so we'll speak Spanglish throughout the whole show and intentionally mispronounce everything in spanish and completely destroy the spanish language.
LoL i understand what you're saying, im just taking the piss cuz they are obliterating my language in the show!
Yeah in that scenario I'm not sure the Spanish would approve of you butchering their language on purpose, but yep it would still stand, it's your show right. I would hope the "raysh" pronunciation was an honest mistake and not an attempt to wind people up, but it's stuck now. And yeah seeing as it's your language I understand the annoyance now lol
My bad, never thought I'd spark this
Raas is Arabic? I thought it was Jamaican.
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I know its a God damn name. Who cares how it is pronounced?
My bad, never thought I'd spark this
LOL, i wish id put more effort studying than bloody discussing how a fictional name is pronounced
Just about caught up with this (S2 finale over lunch) without giving too much away about S3 so far can someone let me know if it's important that I watch the Flash first as I understand there is a crossover? Cheers in advance
Just about caught up with this (S2 finale over lunch) without giving too much away about S3 so far can someone let me know if it's important that I watch the Flash first as I understand there is a crossover? Cheers in advance
There's one episode, in each show, where there's an actual crossover between them (they don't reference each other much). Best method to watch both shows, in my opinion, is to watch one episode of Flash followed by the corresponding Arrow episode. Although, this is forced on to you, if you're watching the shows as the episodes are released.
Just about caught up with this (S2 finale over lunch) without giving too much away about S3 so far can someone let me know if it's important that I watch the Flash first as I understand there is a crossover? Cheers in advance
In hindsight, after purposely catching up by watching one after another it doesn't make a lot of a difference since there is just the one episode in each show with a crossover. But it's nicer to watch them at the same time, they are operating in the same time.
Thanks for the heads up (great name btw
)So, I've just checked what's available up-to-date, and I have access to everything up to: S3/E18 of Arrow and S1/E17 of Flash.
I'll take your advice and alternate them starting with Arrow S3 as it seems to be a touch in front. Cheers again!
Thanks, that's my viewing sorted out until the 18th when Gotham comes back!
Just about caught up with this (S2 finale over lunch) without giving too much away about S3 so far can someone let me know if it's important that I watch the Flash first as I understand there is a crossover? Cheers in advance
I watched it like it was aired (flash first, then arrow) but then theres a week before the cross over episode where you have to watch two Arrows in a row (I think its arrow rather than Flash). Basically I used epguides to watch it based on air date.
It helped and shows you the difference between a superhero show vs vigilante show which was cool for me.
Aw hell, at last a very good episode.
Shame about Roy leaving, very likeable character imo. Now that Thea's 'dead' Oli will have to become Ra's in order to use Lazarus Pit and resurrect her, this would explain why in those snippets from Flash finale episode(s) he's wearing a suit completly different to what he's been wearing before. It also seems that ATOM will simply take Roy's place at the moment, as I somewhat expect Thea to become the new Red Arrow (or simply, Speedy).
What I didn't really get is the part with Cisco and Ray when they were locking up Deathbolt. According to wikipedia he was somewhat 'created' a metahuman or whatever by Ultra-Humanite. Does it mean that we'll get yet another monkey in the show (Grodd in The Flash)?Or are they simply making a bridge that will allow them to transfer metahumans freely into The Arrow?
What I didn't really get is the part with Cisco and Ray when they were locking up Deathbolt. According to wikipedia he was somewhat 'created' a metahuman or whatever by Ultra-Humanite. Does it mean that we'll get yet another monkey in the show (Grodd in The Flash)?Or are they simply making a bridge that will allow them to transfer metahumans freely into The Arrow?
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Wow, that last episode was nuts.
I was expecting someone to die at this point, kudos for the producers for making me believe it would be Roy. Sad to see him leave, but I guess this leaves some open ends for him to come back at some point, in case they need even more backup. The little nod to the Flash and Cisco/Ray working together was nice as well, and a cheeky backdoor to get more meta's into Arrow.
I agree with @Kostur completely, Ollie will join the League at one point, but might shape it to his own ends.
I agree with @Kostur completely, Ollie will join the League at one point, but might shape it to his own ends.
Brilliant episode.
Next episode speculation:
Next episode speculation:
Seems like Ra's is hoping that Oliver will come to Nanda Parbat to resurrect Thea and Ra's will agree on resurrecting her only of Oliver joins the League
Thought it was okay
not sure what I think of making it seem roy would die, showing he didnt, then killing his girlfriend. Think they were going for max shock