Television Arrow | Ending on Season 8

Kostur said:
Nicely set up for the new season obviously, only thing I didn't really understand was the talk between Diggle and Oli near the elevator, Olie asking Diggle to 'conceal his identity' but fecking hell, whose? Diggle's? Could the Martian Manhunter talk be real or did I misunderstand something there?
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There have been some rumours about Diggle not being his real surname, but it being John "Diggle" Steward. That compared to the fact that a lot of his characteristics match up with what the traditional Green Lanterns and him being able to conquer "Great Fear". You kinda get the picture right?

Edit: See link here: http://screenrant.com/arrow-diggle-green-lantern-john-stewart/
 
Lastwolf said:
This show has fallen off so bad this season, the flashbacks have been largely crap, I mean really all they portrayed is that a virus exist and it turns out virus' are bad. Trying to get dramatic tension out of the boy maybe dying, considering we knew he died like 15 episodes ago, is just bleh.

I've largely hated Thea's role, but honestly she's the only character that has a memory longer than a fish at this point or talks any kind of sense.

Why anyone is shocked that Malcolm does a face-heel turn is beyond me, I feel like all he needs to do is walk around with one of them huge clock necklaces, of 80's rapper fame, just to note the 15minutes intervals on which he turns.

The League of Assassins should just retire, they are shit, I don't mind Laurel holding her own vs 1 league member but 3, even though she lost that skirmish pretty hard at the end ... please.

This ENTIRE season, boils down to this;
Malcolm was in trouble with the league for leaving/trying to blow up Starling City they can't decide. Malcolm gets Thea to kill Sarah, the league are double mad. Oliver has to fight Ra's, Loses, get resurrected but not really, cause that would be too far fetched. Gets framed, gets unframed, Thea dies. Agrees to become next Ra's so his sister can be resurrected cause that's fine now, does heel turn. Everyone knows it's a fake heel turn but ignores it because plot, gets married to lesbian, has to blow up Starling City.

Why the league are even mad at Malcolm was and is a joke, it's what they are all about, proven by the fact that to become the next Ra's, Oliver has to do the thing Malcolm wanted to do in the first place. I mean what is he even worried about he can beat like 50 league guys on his own, it's not like now that the league let him off the hook it even matters, he still known world wide as a mass murderer he's not gonna be able to just start a normal life in Coast City with a bit of stubble as a disguise.
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Great summary, although I havent seen the latest episode. I hope next season is better.
 
Mark_GrumpyLion said:
There have been some rumours about Diggle not being his real surname, but it being John "Diggle" Steward. That compared to the fact that a lot of his characteristics match up with what the traditional Green Lanterns and him being able to conquer "Great Fear". You kinda get the picture right?

Edit: See link here: http://screenrant.com/arrow-diggle-green-lantern-john-stewart/
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Aye, I was sure I've read about it somewhere, that's the thing I've had on my mind all along.
 
The ending suited the season tbh. The last two series ending were fantastic especially last season where the battle with Slade happened in flashbacks and in present time. Felcity, ugh. Forgetting how she managed to figure out how to use the suit so easily and pinpoint where Oliver was falling just like that, but all she does is whine and cry now. They ruined her as a character. She used to be fun, nerdy and have accidental innuendos. Now its crying about every decision Oliver makes like its a surprise, though she had a good speech about fighting to live not to die. Shame.

I actually think theres been a few copouts this season.
Merlyn was dead set against Thea being brought back to life but shes been... normal. What was the fuss about? really hope we see this addressed next season and its a long term thing.
Diggle seemed to accepting of Oliver given Oliver kidnapped his wife, left his daughter unattended. A punch as forgiveness? at least Diggle said he said things wont be the same however Thea should be mad pissed at Merlyn moreso given he drugged her, made her kill Sara, pretty much leading to Oliver having to sacrifice his life. I actually think Lance reaction has made the most sense given his daugthers death was kept from him. Hmmm.

Also hate the whole "I didnt tell you to protect you" line. It never makes sense given the people are already in danger anyway, never understand what keeping the secret actually achieved.

Maybe im too critical? There were a few good things, so heres some positives:

Merlyn as R'as was a decent way to take things I thought (hopefully he can make them badass rather than some of the worst fighters ever lol). Speedy :drool: Diggle is awesome and I liked Flash on this show, "you guys have a hottub" rofl. Im still a bit confused about the timeline and how Oli managed to get to Central City and back to Nanda parbat, hmm, but not caring too much since it brought good stuff on both shows with the crossover. Also think Brandon Routh has been fantastic and glad hes going to be part of the new show.

All in all, I agree it seemed like a series finale rather than season finale.
 
Sylar said:
The ending suited the season tbh. The last two series ending were fantastic especially last season where the battle with Slade happened in flashbacks and in present time. Felcity, ugh. Forgetting how she managed to figure out how to use the suit so easily and pinpoint where Oliver was falling just like that, but all she does is whine and cry now. They ruined her as a character. She used to be fun, nerdy and have accidental innuendos. Now its crying about every decision Oliver makes like its a surprise, though she had a good speech about fighting to live not to die. Shame.

I actually think theres been a few copouts this season.
Merlyn was dead set against Thea being brought back to life but shes been... normal. What was the fuss about? really hope we see this addressed next season and its a long term thing.
Diggle seemed to accepting of Oliver given Oliver kidnapped his wife, left his daughter unattended. A punch as forgiveness? at least Diggle said he said things wont be the same however Thea should be mad pissed at Merlyn moreso given he drugged her, made her kill Sara, pretty much leading to Oliver having to sacrifice his life. I actually think Lance reaction has made the most sense given his daugthers death was kept from him. Hmmm.

Also hate the whole "I didnt tell you to protect you" line. It never makes sense given the people are already in danger anyway, never understand what keeping the secret actually achieved.

Maybe im too critical? There were a few good things, so heres some positives:

Merlyn as R'as was a decent way to take things I thought (hopefully he can make them badass rather than some of the worst fighters ever lol). Speedy :drool: Diggle is awesome and I liked Flash on this show, "you guys have a hottub" rofl. Im still a bit confused about the timeline and how Oli managed to get to Central City and back to Nanda parbat, hmm, but not caring too much since it brought good stuff on both shows with the crossover. Also think Brandon Routh has been fantastic and glad hes going to be part of the new show.

All in all, I agree it seemed like a series finale rather than season finale.
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Thea has been "better" than normal. She's stopped whining altogether and did something useful, maybe that is what was meant by changed :wenger:
 
A lot of season 3 has felt like it was simply moving pieces and setting up for future seasons and stories. Laurel is trained and now Black Canary, ditto Thea as Red Arrow (looking great too), Palmer's Atom origin is out of the way, Merlyn is Ra's, Damien Darhke and H.I.V.E are the next villains, Diggle finally has a costume etc.

With all the "establishing" out of the way, season 4 should hit the ground running and be awesome. My main concern is how good the flashbacks will be; Season 3 wasn't good, but the terrible Hong Kong shit made it that much worse.
 
Sylar said:
Felcity, ugh. Forgetting how she managed to figure out how to use the suit so easily and pinpoint where Oliver was falling just like that, but all she does is whine and cry now. They ruined her as a character. She used to be fun, nerdy and have accidental innuendos. Now its crying about every decision Oliver makes like its a surprise, though she had a good speech about fighting to live not to die. Shame.
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What I'm thinking is that she could pilot the suit because she helped Palmer build it, but yeah that's still a stretch, seeing as Palmer himself had issues piloting it his first couple of times. Shoddy storytelling. And I agree about her crying, it reached unbearable levels in the last few eps of the season, but hopefully now that the will-they-wont-they aspect of their romance is over, she can go back to being her normal self. It's interesting though that she was still funny and kinda quirky when with Ray, but was a constant emotional wreck with Oliver.

Sylar said:
I actually think theres been a few copouts this season.
Merlyn was dead set against Thea being brought back to life but shes been... normal. What was the fuss about? really hope we see this addressed next season and its a long term thing.
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Yeah, I was hoping she'd go Lazarus Pit crazy and kill Roy, but no, it seems that Malcolm was worried as shit for absolutely nothing.

Sylar said:
Also hate the whole "I didnt tell you to protect you" line. It never makes sense given the people are already in danger anyway, never understand what keeping the secret actually achieved.
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To be fair, it kinda made more sense this time, more so than it has in the past anyway. If he was going to fool Ra's with his Al-Sahim ruse, it would be way more convincing if his friends actually believed it, and weren't all acting. Malcolm had to know, and besides, he's a seasoned liar, so he wouldn't be a problem as part of the act. The worst case of "I didnt tell you to protect you" is still Iris in The Flash, where literally everyone in the show knew and she didn't lol.
 
okLaptop1 said:
What I'm thinking is that she could pilot the suit because she helped Palmer build it, but yeah that's still a stretch, seeing as Palmer himself had issues piloting it his first couple of times. Shoddy storytelling. And I agree about her crying, it reached unbearable levels in the last few eps of the season, but hopefully now that the will-they-wont-they aspect of their romance is over, she can go back to being her normal self. It's interesting though that she was still funny and kinda quirky when with Ray, but was a constant emotional wreck with Oliver.



Yeah, I was hoping she'd go Lazarus Pit crazy and kill Roy, but no, it seems that Malcolm was worried as shit for absolutely nothing.



To be fair, it kinda made more sense this time, more so than it has in the past anyway. If he was going to fool Ra's with his Al-Sahim ruse, it would be way more convincing if his friends actually believed it, and weren't all acting. Malcolm had to know, and besides, he's a seasoned liar, so he wouldn't be a problem as part of the act. The worst case of "I didnt tell you to protect you" is still Iris in The Flash, where literally everyone in the show knew and she didn't lol.
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Yeah but tbf that's because she's an annoying cnut
 
okLaptop1 said:
What I'm thinking is that she could pilot the suit because she helped Palmer build it, but yeah that's still a stretch, seeing as Palmer himself had issues piloting it his first couple of times. Shoddy storytelling. And I agree about her crying, it reached unbearable levels in the last few eps of the season, but hopefully now that the will-they-wont-they aspect of their romance is over, she can go back to being her normal self. It's interesting though that she was still funny and kinda quirky when with Ray, but was a constant emotional wreck with Oliver.
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I didnt mind too much but it just seemed a convenient way to make a save just like that which was then brushed off without it being a big deal. I agree with the stuff about her and Ray. They were a fantastic pairing. Shes great with Ray or when she appears on the Flash show as it suits her. Its the reason she was great in s1 and 2.

Yeah, I was hoping she'd go Lazarus Pit crazy and kill Roy, but no, it seems that Malcolm was worried as shit for absolutely nothing.
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Maybe its long term affects which will be explored next season? If so, I wouldnt mind that tbh.

The worst case of "I didnt tell you to protect you" is still Iris in The Flash, where literally everyone in the show knew and she didn't lol.
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Welsh Wonder said:
Yeah but tbf that's because she's an annoying cnut
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Agreed to both :lol: I remember commenting in the Flash thread how silly that was given it put her in more danger not telling her. rofl.
 
Ras al ghul and the league of assasins were made to look weak. Even getting a kicking from the budgie or wharever her name is.Can't say i enjoyed this season and only hope that season 4 cuts out the flashbacks and put more time into the present.
 
The flashbacks are getting a bit shit now,

I liked them in the first two seasons cause they were actually relevant and made sense, the island was the forge that made him who he was and the decisions he made there, influenced the story of today (in the context of the episode). The fact that he got off the island by year 2 was a bit lame and made a mockery of him spending '5 years' on an island, given the flashbacks are probably heading to Coast City next year, in his five years away he'll have actually spent less time on the island than he has elsewhere.
 
Apparently next season will feature a slightly lighter mood, with hopefully a slightly lighter Oliver Queen to more closely resemble the character from the comics. As long as they don't drastically change the atmosphere they've set up it could be cool, and hopefully with that they'll make Felicity cool again.
 
At this point no one would lament the loss, but before this season of blubbering teary speeches she was actually a good character. Killing her off would be better than what we're subjected to now, but writing her as they did earlier would be even better than that.
 
Or she should just be transferred to Flash where she was good in the cross-overs. Breaking up her and Palmer was a mistake (but not as big as putting her back with Oli just like that, lol).

TBF, I think Laurel started becoming more likeable
 
Her persona in the Flash crossovers was really just what she was like in Arrow seasons 1 and 2. I agree that she was good with Palmer, but on the other hand I'd like him to be freed from the romantic storylines and just be a charming superhero for now. Another reason why Legends looks so good, that and him shrinking.

As for Laurel, yeah she's gotten better recently, hoping that continues. I still think eventually she'll end up with Oliver like in the comics right.
 
Yeah, it would also be nice if all characters dont get together and sleep with each other. The dynamic between Oli and Felcity was fun cos it was sorta like Barry and Caitlin from Flash (no romance but worked well together and were good on screen together with that little bit of wondering / tension).

I do wonder if Legends of Tomorrow will have a team backing them up or is that now no longer needed.
 
Sylar said:
Yeah, it would also be nice if all characters dont get together and sleep with each other. The dynamic between Oli and Felcity was fun cos it was sorta like Barry and Caitlin from Flash (no romance but worked well together and were good on screen together with that little bit of wondering / tension).

I do wonder if Legends of Tomorrow will have a team backing them up or is that now no longer needed.
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Must be the best played female character of both shows at the moment.
 
van der star said:
Is there a significance to that?
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That's what the city is called in the comics, the tv show renamed it Starling for some reason. I guess calling it Star City and himself Green Arrow is a good way to pander to the comic con bunch.

Still, his season 4 getup does look way more Green Arrow-ish:

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He sounded like he was in the WWE. Are all the appearences at the comic con like this? I really found it cheesy despite liking him.
 
Golden Nugget said:
He sounded like he was in the WWE. Are all the appearences at the comic con like this? I really found it cheesy despite liking him.
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Hes been wanting to do something with WWE for ages. Hes been wanting to host Raw, he had a twitter "faceoff" with one of the wrestlers (Cody Rhodes/Stardust), he also appeared on Raw in the front row and faced off with him. I wouldnt be surprised if he did something in the future with WWE (Summerslam?)

He also dubbed it a WWE style promo. He did it really well.
 
Golden Nugget said:
He sounded like he was in the WWE. Are all the appearences at the comic con like this? I really found it cheesy despite liking him.
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Big-Red said:
That was the point I think, the WWE thing. I'll just call in @phelans shorts
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Yeah, pretty much my understanding. He's a massive fan and was supposed to be doing something with them at Summerslam in a month or so.

It was a terrible attempt at a wrestling promo mind, but that was all his idea.
 
I've just watched the pilot episode is this a good series? I found the Green Arrow or Oliver character a bit of a dick tbh does he become a bit more likeable?

edit: tempted to read through the thread for impressions but didn't want to find spoilers
 
Hes a rich playboy type character. I feel he does become more likeable (although dont want to spoil s3 regarding something about his character). :)
 
Thanks ye I think I could let it slide I enjoyed it otherwise.
 
Short but sweet I guess, not included in the clip is the "argument" between Amell and the Raw boss afterwards. Basically, Amell said he wanted to settle it with Stardust at Summerslam and asked them to send over the contracts. Tag team match with Amell (as the Green Arrow) and Neville (Red Arrow) VS Stardust and King Barrett. Personally, I don't care much for wrestling, but I'll watch Summerslam for that.
 
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