Appointing Solskjaer was a mistake

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SteveW said:
More points than Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea since he took over.
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SteveW said:
You don't judge managers over a few weeks.
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And you judge him over the first few weeks when he's barely spent time with the team? You could afford to give him more time if there's gradual improvement, but one fact is that the team has got worse the more time he has spent with time. Looks like that initial run was just a new manager bounce.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Did you?
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I always said we should wait til the end of the season before appointing a manager. Ideally, we would have had a plan after Jose was sacked, but we clearly didn't.

Forgetting the results, if you didn't know who our manager was with some of our recent performances, you'd guess Jose was still at the helm.
 
If the young players are given time & we see an ability to control the match atleast as a team then I can accept that the main squad are fitness deprived.

If however the youth come and we still look clueless around the pitch - then I'd be a bit worried. I do not need to see United win games but atleast not play like a team that came up from the championship.
 
The job from when we was appointed caretaker to the end of the season was a freebie, we got into the last 8 of the CL and are within 3 points of 4th spot with 3 games to go and still every chance of finishing 4th, if we had been given that when Ole joined not a Utd fan out there would have even belived it was possible.... do people forget just how bad we were under Jose? even tonight we were at least playing some attacking, aggressive football agaisnt one of the best sides in world football.

Also remember in this bad run we have lost to Barca twice, City, Wolves twice (who have taken points off everybody), Arsenal and PSG, under Jose we would have probably have lost all of these, and one more to PSG and would have been dire and dull to boot.

Yes we have had some disappointing results and more worryingly performances over the last month or so, but stand back and take stock of where we are now from December and also remember that most fans agree we need minimum 4 probably 6 players to be competing for top 3, yet we criticise so heavily when we don't outplay the likes of Wolves, City, PSG and Barca..... reality check needed.

Judge Ole after a trabnsfer window and half of next season to do otherwise is grossly unfair and counterproductive
 
Garethw said:
The whole fecking club is a mess which is why we needed the very best manager for the job.

Look, I love Ole, but that doesn’t stop me from seeing that he wasn’t the right appointment. We did fantastically well when he was interim manager, but that doesn’t change the fact that the board should have waited (like they said they would) until the end of the season before appointing a permanent manager.

He’s been in charge for nearly five months now and we still don’t have a distinct style of play.

By the way, I’m not arguing with you mate, we are all on the same side. I’m just gutted and equally furious at the ineptitude of the board.
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Definitely agree the club should have waited to the end of the season to announce anything. Think any manager would have had a huge task, anyone would have been a risk! Ole has shown that he can beat big sides and go on a run, and work with some of these players. Any manager would've give some of these managers time, say they wouldn't but would have got a chance. Least now he'll know who he can depend on and who he can't.
 
Eddy_JukeZ said:
I always said we should wait til the end of the season before appointing a manager. Ideally, we would have had a plan after Jose was sacked, but we clearly didn't.

Forgetting the results, if you didn't know who our manager was with some of our recent performances, you'd guess Jose was still at the helm.
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New manager bounce or not, you cannot take those initial results away from him, he achieved that. The losing run simply shows me that he doesn't really work miracles as we thought. When we were winning, it was because we were scoring, not because we dominated or magically played a level above. He got our attack to click, but even then we were shaky at the back, and faced big problems when the opposition scored first. Now we are suffering because the forward are completely misfiring. Part of this is on him, but it will also take time to build a team before expecting any sort of consistency. Motivation and hard work is all we have to rely on now to finish the season strongly.
 
Mcking said:
And you judge him over the first few weeks when he's barely spent time with the team? You could afford to give him more time if there's gradual improvement, but one fact is that the team has got worse the more time he has spent with time. Looks like that initial run was just a new manager bounce.
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The players are shattered and meeting good sides every week. Its caught up with them.

He's earned the summer to turn this around.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Definitely agree the club should have waited to the end of the season to announce anything. Think any manager would have had a huge task, anyone would have been a risk! Ole has shown that he can beat big sides and go on a run, and work with some of these players. Any manager would've give some of these managers time, say they wouldn't but would have got a chance. Least now he'll know who he can depend on and who he can't.
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I hope you are right mate.
 
Nothing wrong with today's tactics. The quality of players was the factor that differentiated two teams . I didn't learn anything new today
 
mu4c_20le said:
New manager bounce or not, you cannot take those initial results away from him, he achieved that. The losing run simply shows me that he doesn't really work miracles as we thought. When we were winning, it was because we were scoring, not because we dominated or magically played a level above. He got our attack to click, but even then we were shaky at the back, and faced big problems when the opposition scored first. Now we are suffering because the forward are completely misfiring. Part of this is on him, but it will also take time to build a team before expecting any sort of consistency. Motivation and hard work is all we have to rely on now to finish the season strongly.
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I am going to be consistent.

I praised him heavily during our winning run. He was doing an excellent job. I'll give him credit for the wins.

In the meantime, I will criticize him for our current form. Our general performances are getting worse and worse. He has yet to really stamp his identity on the team and there's still no structure or pattern of our play.
 
Infra-red said:
So you agree with Ole that the extensions to Jones and Young's deals were a good idea?
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No I don't think those extensions were a good idea and no I don't think Ole was responsible for them. I think those extensions had been in the works before Ole got here. I can understand giving Jones an extension as he's homegrown and better than both Rojo and Bailly (who aren't homegrown) so decent squad player really but Young is past it. We should get a new RB in to replace him and I trust that we will in the next transfer window. Truth is, right now we don't have better alternatives so I can't fault Ole for playing them.
 
Enough with the “i always said let’s wait till end of season”. It doesn’t help anything except for the fact it boosts you own ego in claiming “I told you so”.

I honestly cannot believe why people wouldn’t even want him to be given atleast one transfer window to fix this mess.
 
SteveW said:
The players are shattered and meeting good sides every week. Its caught up with them.

He's earned the summer to turn this around.
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We'd be rewarding mediocrity. It would feel so wrong to give millions to a manager who's got us playing like shit for weeks.
 
ash_86 said:
Nothing wrong with today's tactics. The quality of players was the factor that differentiated two teams . I didn't learn anything new today
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Late subs - Martial and Sanchez introduced when the match was good as dead.

If Mourinho started like Ole today with 5 defenders at the back he would probably be rinsed.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
No I don't think those extensions were a good idea and no I don't think Ole was responsible for them. I think those extensions had been in the works before Ole got here. I can understand giving Jones an extension as he's homegrown and better than both Rojo and Bailly (who aren't homegrown) so decent squad player really but Young is past it. We should get a new RB in to replace him and I trust that we will in the next transfer window. Truth is, right now we don't have better alternatives so I can't fault Ole for playing them.
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This. Who is in the squad to replace the likes of lingard young and martial.

“Ooh, let’s play the kids then”. Yeah right, when we have a chance of top 4, if we play kids and lose, he will still be criticized.
 
People say that he needs time. Ok, based on what? Lets put results aside. And lets say that squad which finished second last year is shit and in Burnley level. No problem.
But what Ole did in games what can show that he is the right man? Did he show even small glimpses of something special? Some tactical inovation before the game? During the game?
If he gets 300 mil and build his team, do you see him beating equal teams tactically? I don't.
 
His strategy call was so bad when he substituted Pereira with Lukaku. United couldn't keep up the pressure like in the first half, were losing the midfield battle, and then the manager takes of a midfielder for an attacker. What was he thinking? Skip the midfield, play long to the runners up front? But those where covered, and the passers were pressed by their midfield, now even more liberated. And the rest is history.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Late subs - Martial and Sanchez introduced when the match was good as dead.

If Mourinho started like Ole today with 5 defenders at the back he would probably be rinsed.
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Then they are idiots... pOch did the same thing
 
Mcking said:
We'd be rewarding mediocrity. It would feel so wrong to give millions to a manager who's got us playing like shit for weeks.
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He also won 14 games out of 17 before the injuries started. I just dont think the players had the legs to sustain it. That will be rectified this summer
 
bleedred said:
Enough with the “i always said let’s wait till end of season”. It doesn’t help anything except for the fact it boosts you own ego in claiming “I told you so”.

I honestly cannot believe why people wouldn’t even want him to be given atleast one transfer window to fix this mess.
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I've still not seen anyone who says 'we should have waited until the end of the season' explain what they would have done next. Chased Pochettino all summer?

Over the last 10 league games we've got 3 more points than Tottenham (hang on is that our saviour Poch?), 1 point less than Chelsea and 3 less than Arsenal. Presumably all these are getting sacked at the end of the season.
 
Zed 101 said:
The job from when we was appointed caretaker to the end of the season was a freebie, we got into the last 8 of the CL and are within 3 points of 4th spot with 3 games to go and still every chance of finishing 4th, if we had been given that when Ole joined not a Utd fan out there would have even belived it was possible.... do people forget just how bad we were under Jose? even tonight we were at least playing some attacking, aggressive football agaisnt one of the best sides in world football.

Also remember in this bad run we have lost to Barca twice, City, Wolves twice (who have taken points off everybody), Arsenal and PSG, under Jose we would have probably have lost all of these, and one more to PSG and would have been dire and dull to boot.

Yes we have had some disappointing results and more worryingly performances over the last month or so, but stand back and take stock of where we are now from December and also remember that most fans agree we need minimum 4 probably 6 players to be competing for top 3, yet we criticise so heavily when we don't outplay the likes of Wolves, City, PSG and Barca..... reality check needed.

Judge Ole after a trabnsfer window and half of next season to do otherwise is grossly unfair and counterproductive
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Our current form is doing a good job of reminding me, it is just that we are worse this time. Under Mourinho at least, we would look forward to comebacks after falling behind. Ole seem to be pragmatic, yet look completely clueless when the game starts.
 
bleedred said:
Enough with the “i always said let’s wait till end of season”. It doesn’t help anything except for the fact it boosts you own ego in claiming “I told you so”.

I honestly cannot believe why people wouldn’t even want him to be given atleast one transfer window to fix this mess.
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What are you talking about?

How can you find it so unbelievable?

He has no experiencing in building/shaping a team at this level and the last time he had some input on transfers at Cardiff, it was a disaster.
 
Gate99 said:
His strategy call was so bad when he substituted Pereira with Lukaku. United couldn't keep up the pressure like in the first half, were losing the midfield battle, and then the manager takes of a midfielder for an attacker. What was he thinking? Skip the midfield, play long to the runners up front? But those where covered, and the passers were pressed by their midfield, now even more liberated. And the rest is history.
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Skipping the midfield in favor of direct balls to the forwards is the go-to strategy when behind for us and many other clubs in England.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
People say that he needs time. Ok, based on what? Lets put results aside. And lets say that squad which finished second last year is shit and in Burnley level. No problem.
But what Ole did in games what can show that he is the right man? Did he show even small glimpses of something special? Some tactical inovation before the game? During the game?
If he gets 300 mil and build his team, do you see him beating equal teams tactically? I don't.
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His first 17 games weren't bad.
 
Leftback99 said:
I've still not seen anyone who says 'we should have waited until the end of the season' explain what they would have done next. Chased Pochettino all summer?

Over the last 10 league games we've got 3 more points than Tottenham (hang on is that our saviour Poch?), 1 point less than Chelsea and 3 less than Arsenal. Presumably all these are getting sacked at the end of the season.
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Make a shortlist of 3 or 4 managers in which Poch would be at the top, try to get him if not possible move on to number 2.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
People say that he needs time. Ok, based on what? Lets put results aside. And lets say that squad which finished second last year is shit and in Burnley level. No problem.
But what Ole did in games what can show that he is the right man? Did he show even small glimpses of something special? Some tactical inovation before the game? During the game?
If he gets 300 mil and build his team, do you see him beating equal teams tactically? I don't.
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Interesting you bring up Burnley to try make a point presumably about being '2nd best' last year. A season when Burnley finished 7th but currently sit in 15th with exactly the same manager. Maybe teams can over perform against their true level. Remember Leicester?

So who would spend £300m and have us beating everyone? LVG didn't, Mourinho didn't, who is the certainty?
 
Hindsight’s a wonderful thing, but we need more than just a new manager.

It’s a structural issue which needs Woodward to leave and football based people (rather than accountants) to start running the direction of club affairs.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Late subs - Martial and Sanchez introduced when the match was good as dead.

If Mourinho started like Ole today with 5 defenders at the back he would probably be rinsed.
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You don't go all gun blazing againt city , it's suicide . We contained them well and Ddg had to make just a save or two first half . Also it's not Ole's team is it so hardly could be blamed . I don't blame him for not bringing on Martial or Sanchez as I don't think it would have changed much .
 
Enigma_87 said:
Late subs - Martial and Sanchez introduced when the match was good as dead.

If Mourinho started like Ole today with 5 defenders at the back he would probably be rinsed.
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I was one of Mourinho’s biggest critics, and you are right. He would have been destroyed.

Ole seems to get a free pass though. The clubs going down the shitter but he deserves a few transfer windows...
 
Un4givableB said:
Make a shortlist of 3 or 4 managers in which Poch would be at the top, try to get him if not possible move on to number 2.
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How about giving the manager who has outperformed Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal in the league a chance?
 
Needs next season to be judged. However, in December it was clear Poch was who we were targeting and we probably should have stuck to that plan.
 
Garethw said:
I was one of Mourinho’s biggest critics, and you are right. He would have been destroyed.

Ole seems to get a free pass though. The clubs going down the shitter but he deserves a few transfer windows...
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Ole is not to blame for where the club is. He's outperformed Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea in the league since he took over.
 
Un4givableB said:
Make a shortlist of 3 or 4 managers in which Poch would be at the top, try to get him if not possible move on to number 2.
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And then wait for pre season (if we have him in by then) for the new guy to make his assessments of the squad? And hope that he can do better than what Ole has since he arrived (3rd in the table of 18 games, 7 points more than Poch)?
 
BluesJr said:
Needs next season to be judged. However, in December it was clear Poch was who we were targeting and we probably should have stuck to that plan.
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Our board are buffoons.

Chelsea have had Hiddink and Benitez as caretaker managers and both could have been easily appointed. But Chelsea stuck to the plan. This is a club we laughed at for years. They didn’t go sentimental. Yes they gave Di Matteo the job but it would have been a crazy decision not to after winning the champions league.
 
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