Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad

If found not guilty he and the club should come after her full force and sue the ef out of her. Such woman are just as bad as abusers, they make it imposssible for real victims to be taken seriously.

I'm usually never take the side of men because more often than not there is truth in it but Antony seems to be telling the truth it seems. It's insane that one accusation is enough to destroy a career or even life.
 
The Mitcher said:
Comes across as truthful, the story never changes.
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My hunch. Based on character and the story…

The only thing he hesitates on is the part about “holding her gently”

Based on the situation he describes, behaviour he alleges that he was facing, and glimpses we get of his character on the pitch. My hunch is he would more likely push her away when she allegedly approached him.

Just my hunch. But also in the interview that’s the only part where he becomes more careful and thoughtful with his words.
 
Why is no one questioning the fact it’s only just being brought up? Where was all this when he was at Ajax?
 
And Partey played whilst on bail. Antony isnt charged
I dont understand the double standards
 
arnoldS said:
If found not guilty he and the club should come after her full force and sue the ef out of her. Such woman are just as bad as abusers, they make it imposssible for real victims to be taken seriously.

I'm usually never take the side of men because more often than not there is truth in it but Antony seems to be telling the truth it seems. It's insane that one accusation is enough to destroy a career or even life.
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No it's simply not true and such serious issue shouldn't be trivialized either , every accusation needs to be taken seriously but should also be judged on its on merit while ensuring rights of the accused are also factored in .
 
arnoldS said:
If found not guilty he and the club should come after her full force and sue the ef out of her. Such woman are just as bad as abusers, they make it imposssible for real victims to be taken seriously.
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It discredits the hardships of the real victims, but it shouldn't make it impossible to take them seriously, as those who come out with false accusations are a very small number of people. These few examples are then exaggerated and weaponized to no end and used by various misogynistic groups to play down violence against women and some fragile people believe it's an epidemy of false accusations, as seen above.

Saying that false accusations of abuse is as bad as abuse also takes away from the real victims, though. It's a very stupid take.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
Antony is not an award-winning actor, I've chosen to believe him after this interview. The way he responds to questions is way too improvised yet confident to be lies.

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Nothing here to convince me he’s innocent. There’s no mention of the other two accusers. It’s easy to shed tears when under pressure, especially knowing everything is on the line.
 
arnoldS said:
If found not guilty he and the club should come after her full force and sue the ef out of her. Such woman are just as bad as abusers, they make it imposssible for real victims to be taken seriously.

I'm usually never take the side of men because more often than not there is truth in it but Antony seems to be telling the truth it seems. It's insane that one accusation is enough to destroy a career or even life.
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Isn't there more than one accuser? Unless I'm behind on things here.
 
Right well this situation has blown right up. I don’t know who is in the right or wrong here but it’s the right decision for the club to keep him out of the spotlight. We don’t need this right now. Shame everything at this club seems to be on fire at the moment.

Sancho could have had yet another chance now had he not made that statement. Think Pellistri has to be given a run but can see Ten Hag picking Bruno or Mount there
 
The sad thing in situations like this is that he is either guilty and a total scumbag, or he's innocent but presumed to have got away with it - at least that's how it'll be viewed by a large section of society.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Potential abuse didn't happen while he was there? Or victims decided to come out now?
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I'm pretty sure she did go to the police then but in these cases police are slow to do anything unless more people come forward with the same story.

People say Antony should be treated as innocent they don't get the facts. When are so rarely listened too in these cases.

The odds are totally stacked against them and when they do come out they get the same trolls saying they are just trying to ruin a guys life.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Potential abuse didn't happen while he was there? Or victims decided to come out now?
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I thought it happened a while ago, before he joined us. And yes the victim has decided to come out now and the reason being why? Because he’s at one of the most famous clubs in the world and she wants to ruin his career?
 
fallengt said:
And Partey played whilst on bail. Antony isnt charged
I dont understand the double standards
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If your dog takes a shit on your bed and you think "I might as well" and your wife asks you to reconsider, it's not really a place to cry double standards.
 
DJ_21 said:
I thought it happened a while ago, before he joined us. And yes the victim has decided to come out now and the reason being why? Because he’s at one of the most famous clubs in the world and she wants to ruin his career?
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Why did you think it happened a while ago?
 
Massive Spanner said:
He’s either telling the truth or he’s a sociopath. I hope it’s the former.
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I don't think he's a sociopath, but did find it interesting the tears only came at the end when mentioning his mother. Prior to that, he was confident and defiant.
 
MattyLT said:
If there's anything the #metoo campaign taught me, it's that women will lie and exaggerate for the attention and power that comes with the coveted "victimhood status".

We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.

Go ahead and ban me. Had it with this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum anyways.
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:lol:
 
BaguetteBoy said:
just because you do not agree with my post doesn’t allow you to insult someone opinion.

Now I’ve seen the video and I don’t believe Anthony has the gile to pull off any sort of acting. Looks and sounds genuine.

remember these young boys are the golden egg for many people that are no saints. He might have been badly advised or whatever. It looks like someone revengeful enough to take him to the cleaners. Again just my opinion no need for name calling
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Well, you asked if you could dare, so I gave my reasons for advising against it. Technically, I didn't insult you (yet).

Second, basically the only people who say 'woke' now, at least here on the forum, are people who misunderstand what it stands for and instead use it to try and tarnish everyone they disagree with on social justice topics. Which in turn makes use of that term a really nice way to identify people who hold, let's say, antiquated and reactionary ideas on objects around equity and social justice.

And third, the point remains that Antony has not been suspended by the club, but just been put on a leave of absence to deal with the situation. That's no judgement of anything. And while it made sense that many people took the initial accusations seriously (since domestic violence is not rare), you'll also have noticed that Antony's response has caused most people to be very uncertain about what to think now. Consequently, your generalization about attitudes seems to have little actual relevance.

So I think my response to 'dare I say woke' still stands.
 
MattyLT said:
If there's anything the #metoo campaign taught me, it's that women will lie and exaggerate for the attention and power that comes with the coveted "victimhood status".

We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.

Go ahead and ban me. Had it with this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum anyways.
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Nonsense.
 
klsv said:
If your dog takes a shit on your bed and you think "I might as well" and your wife asks you to reconsider, it's not really a place to cry double standards.
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Weird analogy.
Correct one would be the dog getting sauna massage after that while you have to do all the dishes for just thinking of it
 
MattyLT said:
If there's anything the #metoo campaign taught me, it's that women will lie and exaggerate for the attention and power that comes with the coveted "victimhood status".

We live in a time where anytime a man sticks his head out, and does something spectacular with his life, there's always some toxic ex (or current) girlfriend/encounter ready to take him down under the banner of #BelieveAllWomen.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not buying the Greenwood ordeal either. And as for the Giggs case, that's entirely between him, his wife, and his brother. For all we know, his wife didn't feck him, and his brother didn't feck his wife.

Go ahead and ban me. Had it with this emasculated, woke shit show of a football forum anyways.
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I'd assume this was a poor attempt at comedy if shitholes like 8chan, where you presumably crawled out from, didn't exist.
 
VorZakone said:
Remarkable seeing these "but what about Arsenal/Partey " posts.
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Can you explain why? Genuinely curious. There are WhatsApp messages on the internet of that alleged crime that sound even more serious than the crimes Greenwood and Antony were accused of, yet there's no public outcry over his weekly appearance on the pitch for over a year. But when someone comes out in an interview with accusations against Antony, suddenly United's under pressure to act.
 
DJ_21 said:
He had a child with his current girlfriend in 2019. He joined us when… 2022?
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She's his wife, I believe.

Anyway, he kept the accuser round too (stashed in a hotel). The incident took place earlier this year, in said hotel.
 
NotThatSoph said:
And this leads you to believe that these alleged incidents happened sometime prior to 2019?
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You asked me why I thought it happened a while ago and I’ve give the reason why I thought… I didn’t say my reasons were right. I may be well off.
 
DJ_21 said:
You asked me why I thought it happened a while ago and I’ve give the reason why I thought… I didn’t say my reasons were right. I may be well off.
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Yes, you're way off. Did you use those same detective skills when you suggested that she waited on purpose to ruin his career at United? If so then I'd suggest that you stop, you're not very good at it.
 
fallengt said:
Antony isnt charged
I dont understand the double standards
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Voldemort isn't charged either, he is on pre-charge bail.

Double standards by whom?

The media? Not really, as there are multiple differences between the cases, not least that the UK media can't name Voldemort.

The public, neutral football fans, etc? Perhaps, I dunno. I don't follow social media other than very sporadically. There have been some reactions and calls for his club to do something (other than just keep on playing him as per normal), though of course not on the scale you'd expect when United are involved (but that isn't an actual double standard).

The clubs? As in: United have sent him on leave, let's say - whereas "North London" hasn't? Well, that isn't a double standard either, just two different clubs dealing differently with someone accused of a crime.

For the record, I have no interest in defending Arsenal here. I don't buy that they've been essentially forced to do nothing - if they cared about what sort of message it might send to just let this guy play while the investigation drags on and on, I'm sure they could have done something. The idea that they couldn't possibly drop him/send him on leave in any shape or form, because this would reveal his identity (see above), strikes me as far fetched. I could be wrong about that, but it seems odd to me that an employer should be in that position in relation to their employee.

But there are objective differences between the two cases, some of them blatant - and then you can't talk about double standards.
 
Him taking time away from the club while things are investigated is the best option for all parties I think. The allegations are bad enough that they should be taken very seriously, and I’m glad he’ll be away from the club.

What is it about or club and wingers…
 
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