Apparently he's banned from picking consonants
Antony under investigation by Brazilian authorities for domestic abuse | Inquiries ended | Back in the squad
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Apparently he's banned from picking consonants
TV interview.
From Antony statement, it looks like proceedings are in final stage and he seems confident he will be vindicated.
Brazil FA must have decided to keep themselves out of media circus
The audio clips meant there was no way back for Mason, you say similar is that the case in regards to these allegations?
Ah shit, here we go again...
Yeah it's very possible but Brazil tends not to overreact in protection of women. They have a really poor track record with violence against women. I don't know how anything about the Brazilian FA so that might be a very unfair comment.
That is not what is there in snapshots. He is not apologising for hitting her and threats are “i hope you die” which isnt a threat to kill someone. The media house is coming to that conclusion, those chats snapshots are not that conclusive
Also its a whatsapp chat with name “Antony S”. Its not at all reliable evidence
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In the Antony case as I understand it there's currently two very salient issues for the club :
- The allegation a club doc was involved at one point patching up his partner after abuse.
- How has the club managed the past 4 months since they likely became aware Antony was possibly involved in legal jeopardy and the broad lines of what the allegations were.
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This bit is a weird one for me as I can't see anything other than Antony being trouble the next day after this incident happened Jan 14 if a club doctor is involved especially when the club is in the middle of Greenwood's case.
In the Antony case as I understand it there's currently two very salient issues for the club :
- The allegation a club doc was involved at one point patching up his partner after abuse.
- How has the club managed the past 4 months since they likely became aware Antony was possibly involved in legal jeopardy and the broad lines of what the allegations were.
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This bit is a weird one for me as I can't see anything other than Antony being trouble the next day after this incident happened Jan 14 if a club doctor is involved especially when the club is in the middle of Greenwood's case.
Why would you feel the need to raise a hypothetical question that involved a women making false claims?
Why didn't you, for example, also raise the possibility that Anthony likes hurting women, as you have no factual basis for that hypothetical either?
Do you see where I'm going with this?
Depends on the proof or evidence. If there were pictures and audio etc of me being abusive then yes every single time
Correct - I read through the texts and listened to the audios (I'm a native Portuguese speaker). Antony apologizes for his behavior but never specifies what the behavior in question was. All the evidence that's been publicly released so far is circumstantial at best, so I wouldn't equate any of this to the Greenwood situation just yet.
Thanks for the clarification. I would agree that none of the evidence is anything like the stuff we saw in the Greenwood case.
I heard a rumour early on in the Greenwood case (from a family whose son plays in the youth teams) that the club intended on bringing him back and that they were offering to pay off his missus to shut her up. Obviously to be took with a pinch of salt. But it makes me wonder when I hear about this club doctor treating her and this seemingly being swept under the rug for so long.
What the f*ck. That poor woman.
Am I off the mark in stereotyping Brazil as being misogynistic and thinking that for the Brazilian FA to be taking this stance it must really really be bad?
Am I off the mark in stereotyping Brazil as being misogynistic and thinking that for the Brazilian FA to be taking this stance it must really really be bad?
I missed this bit. Mind pointing me to it? I read she was treated in Manchester but didn't link it to the club
I've just read that in other comments from others, it didn't get pulled up so presumed that's what she's claimed. I first saw it on reddit a day or two ago, they managed to figure out which club doctor it was and something about him leaving thy club within the following days/ weeks after being here 16 years. I'll try and find it.
If this is true it has to be brought up to the authorities' attention and judged accordingly, because who knows what other systemic abuse the club is hiding. Absolutely slanderous stuff (whether true or not).
If proven guilty I'll stop supporting this club immediately. Otherwise I'll take it as gossip and hearsay.
Quite a bit swirling around at the moment. I don't have it in me to listen or watch more direct audio on this after the MG stuff. Going to just go off y'all
I'd take it as hearsay as it's just a rumour. I forgot all about it till now but this thing apparently involving the club doctor, and the way United eventually did handle the Greenwood case, just makes me wonder.
Read on Reddit under the ESPN Brazil article :
However the article from June 6 mentions she received treatment from 2 MU doctors. Maybe the correction is elsewhere ?
ESPN Brazil (in Portuguese but automatic translation will help you locate the phrase and the general meaning).
To take with some caution.
I can’t figure out what is real and what is not with this case? Is there a link with the allegations?
Yes it could either way. I reiterate, i am neither believing or dismissing this case.
Edited to remove the Antony case evidence comment
What are you even saying here? Where are you from?
You completely missed Wibbles point......
An organisation is well within its rights to sanction, suspend or dismiss an employee if they commit a serious enough breech of their contract or bring the company into disrepute, as judged by the club (combined with legal advice). Such a standard may often involve no criminal actions, or actions where the proof for a criminal prosecution falls below "beyond a reasonable doubt". Clubs do it all the time, often by fining players wages.
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
You seem to think it is reasonable to invent a hypothetical where the women is a liar because the player denies it, but you don't feel the need to invent a hypothetical that paints the player as violent when his former partner says he is. At best this is a double standard and at worse it reveal misogynistic tendencies. If that is not your intention you aren't doing a very good job of it.
I wouldn't read into it. The national team has two qualifiers coming up and Antony is a relatively unimportant player, so more likely they figured with the timing of the UOL article that's it's just not worth the trouble keeping him in the squad. Too many potential distractions.
Defaulting to a presumption of innocence in the absence of strong direct evidence doesn't necessarily equate to claiming the accuser is a liar.
I am not really responsible for the conclusions you are drawing in your own head. And its too late in the night for me to actually go back and re read all the comments that you have taken an offence to. Anyways i am done with this topic now.
At this moment, we dont have enough evidence to say either and certainly not enough to punish Antony. Thats where i will stop.
Some people are losing the plot in this thread...
Thank you. So seemingly not club doctor but a situation that I'm guessing is how some of this falls under UK jurisdiction.
That makes a lot of sense. And seemingly there's now no ignoring this from the club.
The ESPN article (read in the original Portuguese) makes it sound like the incident involving the club doctors and the incident involving the personal physio were two separate occurrences.
You are however responsible for what you post.
Defaulting to hypotheticals that make the women reporting DV a liar goes far further than an assumption of innocence in the legal criminal sense.
Yeah, exactly. I was speaking in general there, not about Antony specifically.
If it's not him. It's pretty easy to proove. You know phone provider and whatsapp keeps a detailed conversation history. And Antony could have easilly debuked it. It wasnt me, prove it by official record.
Silence is a form of admissio
Seems like a lot of speculation on top of speculation, making it very difficult to arrive at informed conclusion as to the optimal path forward for the player, potentially impacted parties and the club.
Silence may indeed be a form of admission, but I would also assume in this scenario it's a form of letting your legal team deal with the whole case rather than posting piecemeal rebuttals of every single piece of evidence against you.
I think based on all the "evidence" posted in this thread claiming "silence" is "admission" is a stretch.
Prior to things reaching court you never hear about the alleged evidence in basically all domestic violence cases unless the person is famous and/or there is money involved. Mostly the real evidence remains confidential for purposes of protecting the victim, but also for ensuring there are no shenanigans with the case.
I'm not going to speculate either way on this. One thing is certain is that the reputational damage to the club is again massive and even if found innocent Anthony's future may be in doubt (which I guess is a form of speculation).
Yes it is only an allegation.
But that means maybe some people shouldn't go straight to shouting that the victim is a liar as well. Works both ways.
The Silence of the Clubs...
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...legations-football-domestic-abuse-allegations
Manchester United silent on Antony allegations amid calls for football to change
Brazilian accused of assault and domestic abuse by ex-girlfriend
Calls for decision on player to be taken out of club’s hands
Manchester United are staying silent despite growing pressure to take action against Antony, the Brazilian winger who has been accused of assault and domestic abuse by his former girlfriend Gabriela Cavallin, with fan groups and domestic abuse charities calling for the decision to be taken out of the club’s hands.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...legations-football-domestic-abuse-allegations
Manchester United silent on Antony allegations amid calls for football to change
Brazilian accused of assault and domestic abuse by ex-girlfriend
Calls for decision on player to be taken out of club’s hands
Manchester United are staying silent despite growing pressure to take action against Antony, the Brazilian winger who has been accused of assault and domestic abuse by his former girlfriend Gabriela Cavallin, with fan groups and domestic abuse charities calling for the decision to be taken out of the club’s hands.
Interesting that the woman's group don't explicitly state what they would want the club to do in this situation.
I am a little confused as to their stance here, are they suggesting he gets dropped from the squad, taken out of the limelight, as currently he has not been charged with anything?