We all know there's only one guy he'd blow his load on, and that's his beloved Washie.
Antony (out) | LOAN to Real Betis
- Thread starter UnitedSofa
- Start date
-
In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
We all know there's only one guy he'd blow his load on, and that's his beloved Washie.
Of course it would help us, and massively so. His book value (roughly 50M) is going to be amortized whether we keep him, loan him, or sell him. It's a sunk cost. All selling him changes is how many seasons it's amortized over. It'd be 50M in 1 season instead of 2.5. That's offset by the 20M sales fee though, meaning it's a 30M net hit vs about 10M in remaining amortization this season. You also save his wages though (roughly 5M the rest of the year), so total additional PSR cost is 15M for this season.
We may not be able to handle that for PSR this year, but if we can it'd mean PSR savings of ~20M (the foregone amortization + his wages) next year and the year after. It'd be quite a boon by the time we get to July and the next financial year starts.
His agent constantly talks up him staying
He wasn't a Ten Hag purchase. The club fully intended to reintegrate Greenwood back into the team, then the public backlash took over and they decided to loan out Greenwood, this was mid Aug, so now they needed to replace a player that they had planned on using. This was also after we lost to Brighton and Brentford and the club was in full panic, talking about signing players like Arnautovic, it was a mad scramble after those games until Sept 1. The club had been scouting Antony, prior to Ten Hag joining, I know this because I was tracking the player long before we signed him and there was always United links, and when they needed a right sided wide player Antony was top of the list. They presented the list to Ten Hag, is he going to say no to an additional player, one he knows well? So they agreed to sign him, then Murtough and Arnold negotiated a price which had nothing to do with Ten Hag. Who are these people in 2020s thinking the coach of a football club is in the boardroom discussing player prices? What decade are you living in?
There is plenty reason to smackdown Ten Hag, Antony is not one, he was just another feck up by the Glazers/Arnold/Murtough.
EDIT*** (since I can't reply until tomorrow)
Roboc7 you are absolutely correct, I went back to the article about the interview Ten Hag gave and it I had my timelines all screwed up, I read the article in the summer. The essence is the same though, the club wanted to use Greenwood, couldn't, went to their scouting list, of which Antony was top, ran it by Ten Hag, obviously he's going to agree to using a player he knows, and the club signed him.
Last edited:
I’d be surprised if we could absorb that hit this season and I think it’s unlikely we’d get 20m for him so it’s likely an even bigger loss.
It’s an important point though and highlights another disadvantage to PSR being so tight all the time. We effectively get stuck with these players because we don’t have the flexibility to get rid, it’s the only reason Antony is still here.
I’d say the most likely time to sell him is in 18 months but maybe there is a chance it’s earlier if we can sell of Casemiro without a loss or Rashford a decent fee.
Antony joined in 2022. Greenwood's charges were dropped 6 months later in the beginning of 2023. They planned to bring him back at the beginning of last season.
the 90s called they want their tactics back
I think he can do better than Olympiakos tbh.
I feel like Italy is such an open ended league these days that he will have plenty of time to find space, cut in and shoot.
He can regenerate his career like Pulisic.
I feel like Italy is such an open ended league these days that he will have plenty of time to find space, cut in and shoot.
He can regenerate his career like Pulisic.
Correct on the accounting. I don't think we can handle the PSR impact this year but if we can get him off the books in the summer (or even do a loan with obligation this month), we should do it.
Almost not worth selling - wait until summer, hopefully he gets some games at WB and does ok and then his stock rises even a little.
Don’t see any real benefit of sending him to Greece. More useful as a squad option here than that.
Not if we're going to pay his wages to not play
Where did I say anything about Ten Haag discussing prices for Antony ? Please try to read properly before throwing out insults.
I believe ETH was responsible for Antony signing as he was for Licha. I think your Greenwood story is just your uninformed speculation.
I know how it works. I actually work in finance.
The bolded (where you agree with me) is what I meant. The FFP hit would be immediately and therefore the 20m wouldn’t be enough.
My response to you was more of a generic response to everyone making the argument Ten Hag made the purchase.
It's not my story, this information was taken from an interview in the Netherlands with Ten Hag in the summer.
He said Sancho could play on the right, but was naturally more suited to the left, Greenwood seemed like the likely candidate for the right, but now wasn't an option.
Loan with an obligation to buy the player on July 1 would mostly solve that problem. Yes, we'd still have a modest PSR hit to deal with in the next accounting period, but we'd have a whole year to figure out how to fix it.
Yeah that’s fair
There were reports from some journalists that our scouting team had deep reservations about Antony as he was so one footed and limited on pace. He was bought at the insistance of ETH. That's why Utd went so high as ETH really wanted him. ETH backtracking after he flopped at Utd isn't hard to believe.
Not for one second do I believe he was high on our list for the right wing position.
In 3 years, Ten Hag said everything and its opposite, so, take his word with a grain of salt.
But Antony was in several high profile lists, since his exploding season in Sao Paulo, aged 19.
Both him and Hojlund were a second sell, even so young, with a percentage to former clubs. So, with the agent part, there is a lot of room for "unscripted moves".
Im quite sure that Atalanta and Ajax haven't received more than half of the
pounds spent.
He wasn't much use when we actually played wingers.
He's barely had much of a look in when we barely had any attacking threat, rotated heavily and had a mad packed schedule.
To think he'll suddenly be much of an option now games have settled down a bit and Amorim has clocked who can offer what, is quite unlikely.
He's been miles off it whenever he plays, he can barely ever beat his man and when he does there is so little end product. I'm fed up with his wayward shots.
He literally offers nothing. The league is to fast and psychical for him, he's just well out of his depth.
He literally offers nothing. The league is to fast and psychical for him, he's just well out of his depth.
Because he can’t get on the pitch it’s convincing people he’s better than he is and somehow this narrative has developed he is an option as a wingback.
In reality he is just making up the numbers and only really on the bench for the sake of it. If Greece is the only option then let him go. If he does well there then maybe there will be a better option in the summer.
In reality he is just making up the numbers and only really on the bench for the sake of it. If Greece is the only option then let him go. If he does well there then maybe there will be a better option in the summer.
Even if he goes on loan he will see out his contract and leave for free, he is impossible to sell. ETH's Fellaini signing but much more expansive.
Yeah one of the daftest prices we ever paid
Fellaini had hi moments. It's insane how doing nothing can have a value of €95m and his wages...
Aye, Fellaini was a far more useful player. It's not even close.
He should be making a huge fuss to push for a loan or move away.
No player in there 20's should be happy with a few cameos at RWB. Why even have an agent and manager if you have given up on your dreams, and are happy to be a substitute.
If Antony is still here when the window closes it says a lot about him as a person.
Sure the money is great at United, but he wouldn't be playing for free else where, show some ambition and get yourself back playing regularly.
No player in there 20's should be happy with a few cameos at RWB. Why even have an agent and manager if you have given up on your dreams, and are happy to be a substitute.
If Antony is still here when the window closes it says a lot about him as a person.
Sure the money is great at United, but he wouldn't be playing for free else where, show some ambition and get yourself back playing regularly.
Last edited:
Maybe he believes in himself and is desperate to make it at Utd.
You can call it deluded but we all want players who really want to be at Utd until we apparently don't.
Eh, personally he's never struck me as the "loves Utd" type as much as the "loves Antony" type. So he may be desperate to stay, but from the POV of "I want to become a star" moreso than just loving the club.
And that opinion based on literally nothing is one that you're welcome to hold. Insulting our players character based on very little or nothing has become a popular pastime for our fans.
I reckon it's a better idea to just sticking to discussing or criticising players performances on the pitch but ho hum.
People make opinions (good or bad) on players all the time based on watching/following them on and off the pitch. You act like I just said Antony was some horrible person, get over yourself.
People make opinions (good or bad) on players all the time based on watching/following them on and off the pitch. You act like I just said Antony was some horrible person, get over yourself.
And those opinions are nearly always complete nonsense based on how well the player is playing.
Yes because people thought Ronaldo was a selfish cnut because of how shit he was in front of goal! You’re absolutely right!
I don't know what he could have offered more than what someone than Elanga would. We should sue whoever suggested his transfer at that price.
Even ETH started trusting him, so he knows he has no future here for the last 18 months almost.
Even ETH started trusting him, so he knows he has no future here for the last 18 months almost.
Yep Ronaldo definitely got a lot less personal insults from our own fans from 2006 onwards. That's a good example.
I find it hard to believe in his third season he somehow imagines his fortunes are just about to change.
But we will never know what the players are thinking.
I just want him to find a club so he can get some minutes and begin to erase the walking meme he became at United.
He should phone up Fred for some tips, just get moving Antony!!!
Funny how every United player on a massive wage is desperate to stay and prove themselves
I can see him being loaned out with yearly loan fees until his book fee comes down to a level we can sell him for without taking a hit on the books.
Or we sell him to Forrest, Newcastle for 25-30. I can see them looking at him as good value to drop a level
Or we sell him to Forrest, Newcastle for 25-30. I can see them looking at him as good value to drop a level