Antony | Here we go! €100mill, contract until June 2027, option 'til 2028.

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TheReligion said:
Because United waited and then bid 80m? And due to the reaction from Antony?

Logic would say so
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Logic actually would point to Uniteds general incompetence for this more than anything else. See FdJ and Sancho part one sagas for good examples.
 
we will raise another 5m euros, Antony will have another meeting and tell them again he wants to go without question. it’ll get done.

I suspect ajax will find a replacement this weekend. There’s no way it goes this deep and gets dropped again.
 
phelans shorts said:
Asking prices aren’t static. If I had a small window of time to replace something/someone my price for letting go of my own assets would rise near the end too.
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Of course they would. Even if you believe the twitter rumours, then that was the price 'at that point in time', not now. Any fool could have predicted the price was going to increase after handing them €60m+ for Martinez for one.
 
Adam-Utd said:
we will raise another 5m euros, Antony will have another meeting and tell them again he wants to go without question. it’ll get done.

I suspect ajax will find a replacement this weekend. There’s no way it goes this deep and gets dropped again.
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Mike Verweij said the other day that the €90m bid would be rejected and final deal could be concluded at €95m. I'm not sure why everyone is losing their minds.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Is that breaking news? Really?
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Yes. After yesterday you'd think there is a big chance United might give up on him for now. This means there is still a chance for a desperate United to make another unfathomable bid which is the big story right now in the transfer window.
 
It’s all kicked off since Ajax are finding it difficult to sign his replacement in Ziyech. If that was straightforward this would’ve been a done deal a few days ago.
 
africanspur said:
Your initial point was that you disagreed that players have put in transfer requests and then played well. You didn't condition that, you were just skeptical that it happened.

There have been multiple lists of exactly such players who have turned in transfer requests (whatever their reasons and whatever their ability levels may be), had their move refused and then put in an amazing season. You didn't ask whether there were players who put in transfer requests and then still performed well if they were amazing players (ie Kane /Modric/Suarez ) or weren't in exactly the same position as Anthony (Rooney/Zaha) or had a father figure manager (Vieria/Ronaldo) etc etc.

The point with Modric is that he did put in a transfer request,bad mouthed the club, went missing and then still put in an amazing season after and got his move anyway.

Tevez put in his transfer request,got rejected and then knuckled down. They won the league that season. Did something similar that next summer, played only 12 games that season, they won the league that season. Then played 34 PL games the season after, then signed for Juventus for 12 million in the final season of his contract.

From memory, Di Maria never wanted to come to Man Utd and played like it for pretty much the whole time he was here.

N'Dombele is by some distance our worst ever signing. However, he does not belong in this conversation. N'Dombele has been the same since he first arrived, lazy and failing to impress. He put in transfer request not because better clubs were in for him (if only!) but because he wasn't making it here. He was on the market last summer, where the giants of Lyon swooped in on loan....and decided not to take up their purchase option after a mediocre season. He was in the market again this summer, where again the giants of Napoli have taken him in loan, with an option for purchase. The smart money is on us unfortunately being in the same situation again next summer.

None of my comments have been about whether it's smart for Ajax to turn down such a bid (it's clearly an absolutely insane bid). It's been about the pervasive attitude on here by some that if someone is turned down for a transfer request, they just give up and down tools, despite multiple cases to the contrary. Ajax are still a selling club, in fact they sold a player to you literally this window.

If he doesn't get his move and then just gives up and lets his career go the way of Berahino (a player who did let the failure of his transfer affect his future career), he's going to be the party most affected. Not Ajax and not Man Utd. He'd do well to remember that. Carry on, put in another good season and he'll get his move.
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Tevez performances after he put in the first transfer request was really underwhelming and when he got the move to Juventus he clearly kicked to another gear. City winning the championship has nothing to do with that as they had a great team and spent like billion to get there.

Suarez,Modric is probably the one examples I give you that but all others didn't have up to par season compared to their previous ones when they didn't put in a transfer request.

And as you mentioned all examples had put in a good season and got their move, so you can't keep an unhappy player too long. Then it's a question what value Antony will bring next year and how does it work for Ajax. IMO it will be certainly lower.

Going off Antony comments he put it clear that he is using Ajax as a stepping stone, so similarly like Di Maria he doesn't want to stay for a long time there, who also signed a long contract if you get there.

My point was answer to Ajax can't lose, which clearly they can and in fact - big. Antony is not Suarez/Modric, Ronaldo or any of your examples. No one gives a crap about hitting big numbers in Eredivisie and either way Antony isn't hitting them yet or doing it consistently, so it's unlikely he will fetch any amount similar to the one United are ready to pay because of ETH.

So absolutely yes - Ajax can lose - tens of millions, keeping unhappy player and unrest in the dressing room.
 
moses said:
We could tweak the options?

1. Mommy, why are Ajax telling fibs, the meanies?
2. Are Ajax worse than the Taliban?
3. Who are Ajax anyway?
4. Why don't they respect our authoritay?
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Kinda ironic that we have a Dutch manager trying to clean up a toxic dressing room, one of whose ills is selfish, sulky/entitled player power. I don’t give a hoot about the Glass Clowns of Tampa but I’d wonder about attitude and character. Also, if this goes through, he better be ridiculous.
 
This is going to be one where we talk about tough negotiations over an extra 5m or not, when we are already paying about 3x too much.
 
I miss the days of baulking over 16m for Ronaldinho
 
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