Yes but Torres did prove himself and in the premiership as well
Pretty much everyone bar Ten Hag knew Antony wasn't good enough but he insisted on buying him.
Antony is by far the worst transfer in premiership history
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Yes but Torres did prove himself and in the premiership as well
Pretty much everyone bar Ten Hag knew Antony wasn't good enough but he insisted on buying him.
Antony is by far the worst transfer in premiership history
He’s still under Brazil police investigation. If he ends up in court we’ll be lucky to sell for a bag of chips.
Get rid ASAP.
Get rid ASAP.
Antony wouldn't even be part of City, Arsenal or Liverpool bench, that's how bad this transfer is. Anyonewho signed off this transfer should be sack and that include ETH. I can't even believe he decided that Antony is United RW for the now and future. He has coached him and seen him trained daily, surely he knows what level Antony is. ETH underestimated the league and now he suffer the consequences. I always think hiring a EPL proven manager is important. There are some successful managers but more often you have many managers that failed. United unfortunately picked many that failed.
It was celebrated at the time. I remember everyone insulting me after he scored on his debut against Arsenal saying how wrong I was.
Yes, Mancester City, Liverpool and Arsenal have definetely proved the importance of hiring an EPL proven manager.
Also: Just because a player has turned out to be a bit of a disaster, it doesn't mean there weren't logic behind signing him in the first place.
Given the price tag; this has the be on of our worst (if not the worst) transfers ever? I cannot lie, I was excited when we signed him (convinced by carefully curated YT compilations and an abundance of adrenaline), but Jesus Chris, he is bad - like genuinely, absolutely, terribly awful.
Is there anything he can do? He makes Valenica look like he was genetically gifted with two supremely working feet. Just WOW.
What is it with this club and signing the worst Brazilian football players to ever grace the field?
Honestly, 20 millions pounds at this stage and we should bite their hands off if someone is gullible enough to offer even that.
Just awful business all around. Awful, awful, awful. Seriously, the awfulness can not be stressed enough.
Is there anything he can do? He makes Valenica look like he was genetically gifted with two supremely working feet. Just WOW.
What is it with this club and signing the worst Brazilian football players to ever grace the field?
Honestly, 20 millions pounds at this stage and we should bite their hands off if someone is gullible enough to offer even that.
Just awful business all around. Awful, awful, awful. Seriously, the awfulness can not be stressed enough.
What logic? If it is a 20-30M punt and we hope that he adapt well and become successful, not at close to 90M. Ronaldo was a good punt and it works out well. Pellestri was even consider a good gamble even if it doesn't works out, not for 80+M.
He's shit
Not good enough but I do think he'd look better in a possession oriented team with a clearly defined style of play. This counter-attack, quick transition football does not suit him at all, he doesn't have the pace or strength needed.
He and Sancho have been the worst, for United at least.
Whenever there is news about Murtough willing to stay and play other role in Man Utd I would be laughing hard. Depends on his skills and knowledge to make this 100M deal + 200K/week salary offer for Anthony, he should have been sacked right away.
The blame is not about ETH wants Anthony but should be on Murtough for no negotiation skills nor sense of value in the football market. ETH might think getting Anthony for 25M then he still had budget to replace GK / MC position last season.
The blame is not about ETH wants Anthony but should be on Murtough for no negotiation skills nor sense of value in the football market. ETH might think getting Anthony for 25M then he still had budget to replace GK / MC position last season.
160 odd million on this fellow and Sancho. What a complete and utter waste.
Or 200 odd million if you through in mount too.
Sancho was much worse.
Antony was decent enough last season. Obviously not worth anywhere near what we paid for him and not as good as what we wanted, but he was rightfully our first choice right winger and played his part in the build-up, defensively and team shape and style. It was comfortably a better season than any Sancho has had here. Antony then started this season terribly, but just as there were signs he was starting to get back to last seasons form he had the issue in Brazil and he's never recovered since then.
If we're talking purely transfer fee then Antony was worse since he was so obviously overpriced (whereas Sancho's fee made sense), but in regards to the impact they had once they joined the club then Sancho was definitely worse.
No he isnt, Sancho is a bigger flop plus Chelsea have 3 or 4 more expensive players like Enzo who've flopped massively.
I honestly dont understand this agenda a lot of our fans have against Antony, its ridiculous.
Enzo is an OK player and came to Chelsea on the back of a great World Cup, considered as one of the best young midfielders in Europe. Also with Sancho you at least knew why we were paying so much, he was great at Dortmund and considered one of the brightest young talents in Europe at the time.
Antony wasn’t even that good at Ajax and was never considered among top talents. There’s no agenda against Antony, he’s just a distinctly mediocre footballer.
What agenda?
Let people use their fancy new buzzwords
Torres was ripping the league with the scousers before his injury and eventual move to Chelsea so I think we can excuse them for that one. Also he scored some vital goals and ended up winning CL with them. I cannot foresee a future where Antony won a CL with us ever. Maybe Shevchenko ? Even then he came there with a huge pedigree unlike Antony who was a nothing man. Also iirc he was donezo because of injury not for lack of skills
As shite as he has been and the ludicris fee to say hes been worse than Sancho is nonsense unlike Sancho the effort is there but still how on earth we got pur pants pulled down for the fee we paid and wages should be investigated thoroughly and the culprits sacked with immediate effect.
Antony may well indeed exceed Alexis as the greatest flop in PL history, but Sancho is right on Antony’s heels.
I looked at it and my guess is in the end it will be
1) Sancho
2) Nicolas Pepe
3) Antony
once they're sold, though it may come down to which of Sancho or Antony will take a pay cut/get an offer they like to get a proper move and restart their careers.
1) Sancho
2) Nicolas Pepe
3) Antony
once they're sold, though it may come down to which of Sancho or Antony will take a pay cut/get an offer they like to get a proper move and restart their careers.
Antony is not the greatest flop ever, his attitude is good, can help the defence, scored a couple of good goals. If we had got him for 20 to 30 M on reasonable wages I think most would be happy to wait and see for a bit longer. If he didn’t work out he could clearly do a great job in a weaker league and be worth the same fee (20 to 30). All in all that would be ok business.
The issue is the stupid fee and wages, maybe Ten Hag should have said not at that price but he is not or should not be the one primarily responsible for setting fees. I can see how late in a window with a weak squad and some under motivated personalities he liked the idea of a motivated young player coming in.
i don‘t like blaming the lad himself either (ignoring for now off the field issues that I know nothing about). Anyone would take the money if offered and whenever he gets a game he tries to the best of his ability. He just isn’t a 50 m + player but there’s probably 100s of worse premier league players that costed 20 m + which is the bracket he should be in if some clown didn’t agree a stupid fee.
The never using his right foot has me completely confused though, no matter how bad he is with it if he even tried cutting right or crossing with it from the right wing even say one time in ten, it would force defenders to cover that option. That’s on the manager, Antony seems to follow instructions so I can only assume he has not been told to do it.
The issue is the stupid fee and wages, maybe Ten Hag should have said not at that price but he is not or should not be the one primarily responsible for setting fees. I can see how late in a window with a weak squad and some under motivated personalities he liked the idea of a motivated young player coming in.
i don‘t like blaming the lad himself either (ignoring for now off the field issues that I know nothing about). Anyone would take the money if offered and whenever he gets a game he tries to the best of his ability. He just isn’t a 50 m + player but there’s probably 100s of worse premier league players that costed 20 m + which is the bracket he should be in if some clown didn’t agree a stupid fee.
The never using his right foot has me completely confused though, no matter how bad he is with it if he even tried cutting right or crossing with it from the right wing even say one time in ten, it would force defenders to cover that option. That’s on the manager, Antony seems to follow instructions so I can only assume he has not been told to do it.
It's not so much the never using his right foot that gets me. It's that he does/did have solutions to his one-footedness in his arsenal but he elects not to use them. At Ajax he used the outside of his boot quite regularly for cutbacks and he has quick enough feet to get enough space for a cross with his instep. When he cuts infield from deeper, he's also got a good disguised through ball on him.
It is just plain weird that he very rarely does any of these things any more. He wants to wind up a full shot and when he can't, it's turnback Tony time.
If Antony had cost the 25m the scouts had apparently recommended, I could just about squint and say he's okay for that (any legal issues aside). He's still young, has some clear talent and has a good work ethic. I feel like we could work with that if he wasn't the huge bet for the future of our right side.
He's nowhere near the worst signing in the prem though. I mean, look at someone like Mendy, or was it Claudio Bravo that basically was 40m straight in and out at City? Hell, City and Chelsea have signed players for big money that basically never even played for them.
But never forget the greatest (financial) signing in history: one Jon Obi Mikel. We made like 12m (a Ronaldo fee, at the time) for like a week's work
He's nowhere near the worst signing in the prem though. I mean, look at someone like Mendy, or was it Claudio Bravo that basically was 40m straight in and out at City? Hell, City and Chelsea have signed players for big money that basically never even played for them.
But never forget the greatest (financial) signing in history: one Jon Obi Mikel. We made like 12m (a Ronaldo fee, at the time) for like a week's work
He used to try crossing but I can't remember a single time that anyone ever got on to one of them. Maybe he's given up on it because of that. It seemed to be a strength of his at Ajax, based on his YouTube highlights
Erik said ; “I have experience knowing he is unstoppable. Within the first ten yards, he is among the fastest players"
Erik said ; “I have experience knowing he is unstoppable. Within the first ten yards, he is among the fastest players"
He's trying to put an arm around him obviously. He's not going to say he's rubbish. But he's firmly been dropped and clearly doesn't have his trust.
Enzo
He's largely been one of Chelsea's best players since joining. Is this an Antony burner account? He's objectively one of the worst wingers in the entire league (if not the worst), both from a production and pure threat perspective.
If Antony had cost the 25m the scouts had apparently recommended, I could just about squint and say he's okay for that (any legal issues aside). He's still young, has some clear talent and has a good work ethic. I feel like we could work with that if he wasn't the huge bet for the future of our right side.
He's nowhere near the worst signing in the prem though. I mean, look at someone like Mendy, or was it Claudio Bravo that basically was 40m straight in and out at City? Hell, City and Chelsea have signed players for big money that basically never even played for them.
But never forget the greatest (financial) signing in history: one Jon Obi Mikel. We made like 12m (a Ronaldo fee, at the time) for like a week's work
Please tell me what his "clear talent" is. Unless you just mean keeping hold of the ball (which is much easier to do as a winger than say a midfielder or striker mind you).
Erik said ; “I have experience knowing he is unstoppable. Within the first ten yards, he is among the fastest players"
Technically he's not wrong.
FASTEST UNITED PLAYERS 22/23
1. Marcus Rashford: 35.95 km/h
2. Diogo Dalot: 35.76 km/h
3. Antony: 35.29 km/h
4. Luke Shaw: 34.85 km/h
5. Tyrell Malacia: 34.76 km/h
6. Aaron Wan-Bissaka 34.42 km/h
7. Anthony Elanga: 34.27 km/h
8. Jadon Sancho: 33.96 km/h
9. Alejandro Garnacho: 33.92 km/h
10. Anthony Martial: 33.56 km/h
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ier-league-official-fastest-player-in-2022-23
The signing of Antony is arguably the worst, in terms of it being so obviously overpriced whereas you could somewhat understand the fees for some of the others. But the player himself certainly isn't the biggest flop. He did enough last season to put himself comfortably ahead of Sancho and a few others.
Enzo
He's largely been one of Chelsea's best players since joining. Is this an Antony burner account? He's objectively one of the worst wingers in the entire league (if not the worst), both from a production and pure threat perspective.
Everytime ive watched Enzo for Chelsea he has been terrible, if he has been one of Chelsea's best players then the rest must be absolutely useless.
Yeah same feelings. Horrific fee for what we've got but he's not a bad player at all despite his most recent form. He's got a lot of attributes that would work well in a much more functional team, although that goes without saying for all our players.
He was constantly playing despite bad form and now that he's out of the team, I think he deserves a 'prolonged' chance back in the team or at the very least longer sub appearances that these 1-5 min showings. As usual though with ETH, his rotation of players and giving them the chance to find rhythm is inconsistent and bad. We've seen it with Eriksen, Amrabt, Amad etc. On top of resting/benching Garnacho or Rashford, I'd like to think Antony and Dalot (with his recent really good form) could build something of a good combination on the right with the under and overlaps.
It's not gonna happen but yeah.
Erik said ; “I have experience knowing he is unstoppable. Within the first ten yards, he is among the fastest players"
That's great. Now he needs to explain what purpose does this great speed serve when he cuts back every single time.
He has been dropped and for good reason. Kudos to this manager for actually doing that, at least.
No. Antony is simply terrible. A garbage signing. Period!
I mean there’s a reason they’ve been 10th all year, but ask any Chelsea fan and they’d say Enzo is the least of their issues.
Can he play LB?
No.
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