Antonio Valencia... | Will wear #25 shirt from this point onwards by request

Status
Not open for further replies.
Clarence Worley once said that if he had to feck a guy - if his life depended on it - he would feck Elvis.

Well, I think I would probably go for Tony V. I like the idea of him scowling at me the whole way through the sorry deed.
 
The Neviller said:
I don't see your point, the statements are fine by me. Tony V is a beast, we all love him and i don't see how he is under-rated at all. He's in great form at the minute, no doubt about it, and he is a fantastic old fashioned winger.

Nani is better though.
Click to expand...

At what? Technically and skillwise, then yes. But as a winger definitely not? You need to provide consistent and reliable service to be a top winger, it's not just all about who is the most technically gifted.

Nani is a wide forward imo, his strengths are his dribbling and shooting. His passing and crossing are far too erratic, and he is often much too selfish for me to ever consider him as a better winger than Valencia.
 
People are forgetting how good Nani was at his best last season because he hasnt been as good this season. On current form, and also based on their contributions this season, Valencia is our best winger, but Nani's top level is higher.

Personally Im a man who prefers consistency over top form ability, so I might lean towards Valencia being our best winger. But I have no problem understanding how people say Nani is better. He is when hes at his best, and last season he had a consistent level that exceeds what we are seeing from Valencia this year.
 
The player who scores more goals is always going to be rated higher by the masses. Personally, I prefer Valencia by a country mile, while Nani will have his own individual game changing moments, Valencia will provide the opportunity for others to do so and drive the whole team forward.

I wouldn't argue against anyone saying Nani was the better,as he is in many ways, it's just I've always found great team work better than showcases of individual skill.
 
Both are pretty equal, Valencias been much better this season but last season I think Nani was the best player in the league.

Nani obviously has more technical ability so I have hope that he'll take his play up another notch yet, whereas I think Valencia is probably playing close to his best at the moment. What I love is that on paper they're a brilliant in different ways and they should compliment each other. I don't think we've really seen them both hit form at the same time just yet, when they do start playing together we'll start steamrolling teams.

We're lucky to have both, both very effective in very different ways.
 
apotheosis said:
At what? Technically and skillwise, then yes. But as a winger definitely not? You need to provide consistent and reliable service to be a top winger, it's not just all about who is the most technically gifted.

Nani is a wide forward imo, his strengths are his dribbling and shooting. His passing and crossing are far too erratic, and he is often much too selfish for me to ever consider him as a better winger than Valencia.
Click to expand...

Well that's unfair. Compared to Valencia, yeah. But generally?
 
Smores said:
The player who scores more goals is always going to be rated higher by the masses. Personally, I prefer Valencia by a country mile, while Nani will have his own individual game changing moments, Valencia will provide the opportunity for others to do so and drive the whole team forward.

I wouldn't argue against anyone saying Nani was the better,as he is in many ways, it's just I've always found great team work better than showcases of individual skill.
Click to expand...

Forget the Nani versus Valencia debate, the masses on this site rate Nani as better than Rooney. Flair is the only thing important to them, overall importance or effectiveness does not matter.
 
I'm surprised you didn't add in some little paragraph about why we don't all love Rooney and send him personalized gifts in our spare time.

Also, for maybe the first time ever I didn't read your post and think that you had probably been crying when writing it. That's an improvement john.
 
johnmufc said:
Forget the Nani versus Valencia debate, the masses on this site rate Nani as better than Rooney. Flair is the only thing important to them, overall importance or effectiveness does not matter.
Click to expand...

Don't think "the masses" did at all. A fairly small minority, I'd say. Crazy opinion but there you go.

Brilliant and all as Valencia was last night, I think Rooney was a bigger factor in our overall team performance on the night. One of his best games in a while but typical of what he brings to the team, more often than not. Since Ronaldo left, the most important and influential player by far has been our number 9.
 
Brosstan said:
People are forgetting how good Nani was at his best last season because he hasnt been as good this season. On current form, and also based on their contributions this season, Valencia is our best winger, but Nani's top level is higher.
Click to expand...

No more than people are forgetting how frustrating and wasteful he is when not at his best, which it should be noted, he has been for quite a large portion of his time here.

The reason i rate Valencia higher is because he can still be relied up on to fulfill the basics of his role even when not at his best. That imo makes him of much more benefit to the overall effectiveness of the team, more often.

I would say with some confidence that in the 2/3 seasons Valencia has been with us he has played significantly more games close to his best, than Nani has managed in 5 years. Still a great player, and on his day a world beater, but unfortunately when he is not at his best, which is fairly often, he is nowhere near as beneficial as Valencia imo.
 
John arrived to that conclusion purely on Hectic's poll a while back asking who had more potential to be greater. Not present ability.
 
apotheosis said:
No more than people are forgetting how frustrating and wasteful he is when not at his best, which it should be noted, he has been for quite a large portion of his time here.

The reason i rate Valencia higher is because he can still be relied up on to fulfill the basics of his role even when not at his best. That imo makes him of much more benefit to the overall effectiveness of the team, more often.

I would say with some confidence that in the 2/3 seasons Valencia has been with us he has played significantly more games close to his best, than Nani has managed in 5 years. Still a great player, and on his day a world beater, but unfortunately when he is not at his best, which is fairly often, he is nowhere near as beneficial as Valencia imo.
Click to expand...

You're just placing more value on it. When Valencia goes through his lean periods of form, does he offer anything, other than a defensive shift down his flank, that can be done by, Park for example?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Don't think "the masses" did at all. A fairly small minority, I'd say. Crazy opinion but there you go.

Brilliant and all as Valencia was last night, I think Rooney was a bigger factor in our overall team performance on the night. One of his best games in a while but typical of what he brings to the team, more often than not. Since Ronaldo left, the most important and influential player by far has been our number 9.
Click to expand...

Berbatov?
 
johnmufc said:
Forget the Nani versus Valencia debate, the masses on this site rate Nani as better than Rooney. Flair is the only thing important to them, overall importance or effectiveness does not matter.
Click to expand...

Bear Attack said:
John arrived to that conclusion purely on Hectic's poll a while back asking who had more potential to be greater. Not present ability.
Click to expand...

Yes, the question was 'Who will be the better player in two years?' and the 'masses' voted Nani ahead with a devestating 56%.

Basically, john couldn't help not mentioning Rooney somewhere, because he is mentally attached to him.
 
If I had to choose being bummed by one of them, I'd pick Tony V. Even though he'd be rough as feck, you'd know what to expect.

Nani would blow hot and cold, throwing in a surprise dirty sanchez every now and then and generally pissing around. I also think he'd be a selfish lover whereas Tony V would give you a reacharound.

So based on that, I'd pick Tony V over Nani in the United team although it is pretty good that we've got both
 
Talking Vulture said:
If I had to choose being bummed by one of them, I'd pick Tony V. Even though he'd be rough as feck, you'd know what to expect.

Nani would blow hot and cold, throwing in a surprise dirty sanchez every now and then and generally pissing around. I also think he'd be a selfish lover whereas Tony V would give you a reacharound.

So based on that, I'd pick Tony V over Nani in the United team although it is pretty good that we've got both
Click to expand...

I would question Nani's decision making. When making love I mean. For example, I imagine he wears his socks in bed. The sight of Nani bearing down on me, cock in hand, butt naked except for his socks, is a massive turn off.

Whereas Valencia makes good decisions. Like taking off his socks. And lubing me up appropriately.
 
adexkola said:
Well that's unfair. Compared to Valencia, yeah. But generally?
Click to expand...

Not really, it wasn't meant to be critical only to highlight the difference in mentality. For me Nani has more of a striker's instincts, than that of a winger, which is why he often looks to shoot.

Valencia is the opposite of that, he rarely shoots when there is an option to pick out a teammate. He is more of a winger than a striker becuase of that.
 
The Neviller said:
Oh no, you're entitled to an opinion. It's just that on this occassion your opinion is wrong. Clearly.
Click to expand...

I wonder if you would be having this debate if the score had remained 0-0 because up to 80th minute Valencia was very rarely beating his full back and a lot of his crosses were not beating the first man. Thank god he said stuff this, Im shooting in 80th minute.
We are lucky to have both and on their day, they are both world class wingers but very different styles. Valencia has power , Nani has great technical ability and is very watchable when he is on form but sadly this season, for one reason or another has rarely been.
 
ByronSteve said:
I wonder if you would be having this debate if the score had remained 0-0 because up to 80th minute Valencia was very rarely beating his full back and a lot of his crosses were not beating the first man. Thank god he said stuff this, Im shooting in 80th minute.
We are lucky to have both and on their day, they are both world class wingers but very different styles. Valencia has power , Nani has great technical ability and is very watchable when he is on form but sadly this season, for one reason or another has rarely been.
Click to expand...

Indeed, if Valencia hadn't have scored my opinion would be that we should be choosing which player you'd let bum you, rather than which player you'd bum.

Read the context of the post you quoted before spazzing out mate.
 
The Neviller said:
Indeed, if Valencia hadn't have scored my opinion would be that we should be choosing which player you'd let bum you, rather than which player you'd bum.

Read the context of the post you quoted before spazzing out mate.
Click to expand...

Sorry about that The Neviller, chose wrong quote but stick by what I said.
We all love our team mate, I was just thinking how up to the time Valencia scored, I thought the game had 0-0 written all over it but as we Reds know, the game is not over for us till the final whistle.
All the best mate!
 
ByronSteve said:
I wonder if you would be having this debate if the score had remained 0-0 because up to 80th minute Valencia was very rarely beating his full back and a lot of his crosses were not beating the first man. Thank god he said stuff this, Im shooting in 80th minute.
We are lucky to have both and on their day, they are both world class wingers but very different styles. Valencia has power , Nani has great technical ability and is very watchable when he is on form but sadly this season, for one reason or another has rarely been.
Click to expand...

I think we would be. This debate has been going on for months - in two threads simultaneously.
 
Nani's perforformances from this season are underrated. People are talking about him like he was utter shit this year. Okay, he had his poor games, but most of them were after injuries. I can count more good performances from Nani than the shit one's. And if you compare Nani's this season with Rooney's last season at this time, you can say Nani's performances are better. Rooney last few games of last season were great though.

We all know he is not having his best season, that's for sure, but he isn't shit like some of you are talking.
 
Tough times for United fans, arguing which of their wingers is the most talented, safe in the knowledge both would walk into any other side in the league and are comfortably in the top 10 wingers in the world.

Spare a thought for our dipper friends.

As for Valencia, I love him. A fantastic no nonsense footballer. No bullshit, no diving, no fannying around, no cheating, no ref baiting, no complaining, no stories in the papers. And best of all, no fecking agent - sacked him because he's happy where he is and doesn't need an agent to represent him. If only all players were like that.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Tough times for United fans, arguing which of their wingers is the most talented, safe in the knowledge both would walk into any other side in the league and are comfortably in the top 10 wingers in the world.

Spare a thought for our dipper friends.

As for Valencia, I love him. A fantastic no nonsense footballer. No bullshit, no diving, no fannying around, no cheating, no ref baiting, no complaining, no stories in the papers. And best of all, no fecking agent - sacked him because he's happy where he is and doesn't need an agent to represent him. If only all players were like that.
Click to expand...

Wow, did not know this. Tremendous act in this day.
 
Amar__ said:
Nani's perforformances from this season are underrated. People are talking about him like he was utter shit this year. Okay, he had his poor games, but most of them were after injuries. I can count more good performances from Nani than the shit one's. And if you compare Nani's this season with Rooney's last season at this time, you can say Nani's performances are better. Rooney last few games of last season were great though.

We all know he is not having his best season, that's for sure, but he isn't shit like some of you are talking.
Click to expand...

You'll find that this place has its fair share of Nani fan boys who are quick to defend him, just as there are cynics who are quick to criticize.
 
ByronSteve said:
Sorry about that The Neviller, chose wrong quote but stick by what I said.
We all love our team mate, I was just thinking how up to the time Valencia scored, I thought the game had 0-0 written all over it but as we Reds know, the game is not over for us till the final whistle.
All the best mate!
Click to expand...

Ah no probs mate. Don't get me wrong, I love Tony V as much as anyone else, I'm delighted he's on our side and wouldn't fancy having him go up against us. I just think Nani, when fit and on form, is a better player. They are both superb players, and both are capable of producing match winning moments.
 
Raoul said:
You'll find that this place has its fair share of Nani fan boys who are quick to defend him, just as there are cynics who are quick to criticize.
Click to expand...

It's a bit disingenuous to declare those who rate Nani and defend him as "fan boys" is it not?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.