I was going to say his english is as bad as his left foot, but then i thought that would be harsh on his english 
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He's a destroyer.That goal was amazing, he had the audacity and wit to attempt.POTY for me
He is shy. I saw him picking his child up from school once and one of the Mums said something to him. I swear he blushed!
was 'one of the mums' really you? and did you offer him sexual favours?
The game last night needed a moment of class, say like Ronaldo against Fulham. That was Valencias moment and my god did he take it, undroppable now.
my POTY so far
we don't look half the side without him as an outlet
we don't look half the side without him as an outlet
PL Player of the Season. FFS, some of you.
That would be fairly ridiculous. The max he can play is in 27 games.
I know you won't agree with me but I still think Nani is clearly the better winger, although right now with him out, Valencia is the best in the league, by a good distance.
He's enjoying that imperial phase of his career where defenders don't know what to do with him. Hopefully no one uncovers the answer and he doesn't end up like Kanchelskis, playing in Scotland/loaned out to shite clubs like City.
I don't think they will. The defenders surely know what he's going to do most of the time, but they can't stop due to power and pace. It's ridiculously effective and he's a machine.
Hopefully Tony V isn't mixed up with the Russian mafia.
Are you sure he didn't come into the Nani thread to say Valencia was better?
My only worry about Valencia is once he loses that extra pace that gives him the edge. I agree with Hectic about Nani being the better player, he just has more in his locker and is less reliant on his pace / power that can fade with age.
Is Nani anywhere near as effective as a winger though? I have my doubts. Wingplay is all about providing for others with a regular stream of quality deliveries, as well as helping out the full back defensively. Is Nani really better at that than Valencia?
On his very best day, perhaps. But for me Nani is much better suited to a wide forward role. His crossing is very erratic, and he looks to shoot at goal more often than not. For me Nani is not as reliable as Valencia, nor are his deliveries, so the question becomes do you prefer someone who can produce magic occasionally, or someone who provides high quality delivery and reliablity more often than not.
For me it is a regularly high contributor that makes a good team effective, not occasional flashes of brilliance mixed in with an equal number, if not more so, of frustrating and below par displays.
Possibly. Doesn't matter though, does it? It's a discussion that could take place in either thread.
Not on Cina's watch.
As I said yesterday in a different thread, I prefer Valencia. Lucky to have both.
My opinion's probably the same as yours. Bloody close between them and they both bring very different qualities to the table. I can see why people might rate one or other as the better winger, it just wound me up that suggesting Valencia might be better was seen as a laughable idea.
Well yes Pogue, it does actually, since most of the misgivings about Bilbo were that he specifically came into the Nani thread to tell those saying how good Nani was that Valencia is better.
He didn't, though. It was just a natural extension of the conversation.
It wasn't really though, it was a discussion about Nani. Why people feel the need to constantly compare and contrast the two is beyond me in truth. They are both brilliant for us, anything is else is simply down to personal opinion.
They are both wingers and they both play for us. Comparisons between the two are inevitable.
Those "misgivings" about thread etiquette (or whatever the feck bent some people out of shape at the time) have nothing to do with the point I just made. Which was purely about the reaction to his claim that Valencia's our best winger.
We can at least all agree that they're both better than Bale, right?
It was a discussion about Nani which then evolved into a discussion about how good he was in the context of his position - which happens all the time, with various players - and Valencia was part of that discussion, naturally. He just offered his opinion on that front.
I don't see your point, the statements are fine by me. Tony V is a beast, we all love him and i don't see how he is under-rated at all. He's in great form at the minute, no doubt about it, and he is a fantastic old fashioned winger.
Nani is better though.
Nani is better though.
Indeed.
It's a fairly standard development for threads like that.
"X is the best player in the league"
"He's not even the best player at his club"
and so on...
Comparing player, whether they play for the same or different teams is meat and drink for football forums like this. Not sure why it bothers people so much. It only gets really pointless when you're comparing players that play different positions, which can end up in Bramble > Zidane madness.
In your opinion.
Do you think he's "hands down", "no contest" the best winger at United? Is it a "no contest"? Is it "mental" to think otherwise?
Its mental to think that its hands down Nani who is the better player
I still think it's a no contest when both of them are on form. Obviously right now, and overall this season Valencia has been the better winger, and he's better right now. But Nani keeps getting himself injured and doesn't recover form from injuries at the same unbelievable speed that Valencia does.
Why are you bringing it up anyway? Considering you are one of the main people on here who doesn't like them constantly being compared.
Yes, in my opinion. And I am entitled to that opinion. As are you.
I don't think it's mental to think otherwise. Incorrect, but not mental. But then, that's also just my opinion. In others opinions it is mental. Are they allowed their opinion? Is your opinion more valid than theirs? I certainly don't think my opinion is more valid than yours, or anyone else's for that matter.
Yep, same here. I admit I tend to go a bit overboard on my phrasing at times, but I still think there is no contest when both are fit.
Nani's clearly much more talented. He's a better dribbler, has a better shot, is more creative, has two great feet. Valencia's more consistent, probably a bit faster, and has an incredible attitude.
Am I right in saying we have three of the five best wingers in the league - including the two best ones? Plus Ryan Giggs?
Am I right in saying we have three of the five best wingers in the league - including the two best ones? Plus Ryan Giggs?
Nani has that unpredictability. Magical on his day, but can be frustrating on occasions. I always think he can deliver a lot more with his undoubted talent. Valencia is a machine, very consistent and an ideal team man. I'm sitting on the fence.
You seem to be heading down a quasi-philosophical cul de sac where we all post whatever the hell we want and nobody ever challenges anything because, like, all our opinions are equally valid, man.
I think Nani is the better winger hands down. You can make a case for either one though.
Time for weird metaphor of the month. Valencia is like Bentley. Fast, effective, very simplistic, but gets the job done nearly ever time. Nani is like a Ferrari. Fast, nimble, more likely to have moments of pure magic, but has off days more regularly than the bentley
Valencia's consistency can be just insane, and although he is simple with his play, his contribution and effectiveness is through the roof, but I see much more with Nani, and he offers so much more to the team than just excellent wingplay. Valencia wins on the defensive duties, but Nani's overall involvement to our attack is higher. Valencia is the ideal team player without a doubt, and I love his attitude, but Nani has much more in his locker. When they are both on form, Nani is a superior player, because he has so much more to his game.
I can accept both arguments though, Valencia is basically playing his perfect game right now.
This opinions shit again. What is it about? Maybe Niall should put a tagline under everyone's name saying:
You can take it as read that I am not contesting your 'right to an opinion'. But it may be that I think yours is bollocks.
Is that not the way it is anyway?
You telling someone who thinks Nani is better than Valencia that they are wrong because you think Valencia is better than Nani doesn't make you right and them wrong. Or vice versa. It just means you disagree. It's not like it's really possible to be right or wrong, when it comes to quantifying who is a better player when both players are at such a high level. It becomes as tedious as the Ronaldo/Messi debate. Football is all about opinions, and voicing them. And we all have different opinions.
Much like we should accept that Messi and Ronaldo are both superb players, and enjoy the fact that we are lucky enough to see them both play, we should also just accept that we are lucky to have Nani and Valencia on the same team. And we should also remember that Nani is better.
I just want to see in the same fecking team, remember the first half against Bayern at OT, IIRC Valencia assisted Nani twice that night, Rooney wasn't even fit and we had Gibson in midfield but we still looked dangerous going forward. Anyone know how often Nani and Valencia have played in the same team in the last 2 seasons (with both of them on the flanks). When one is fit the other seems injured or out of form.
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