That's because most teams have worked out how to play him, if you don't offer him that space behind you, the man has nothing else in his locker. Offer him that space and he'll kill you though.
His skill set has always been rather limited.
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That's because most teams have worked out how to play him, if you don't offer him that space behind you, the man has nothing else in his locker. Offer him that space and he'll kill you though.
His skill set has always been rather limited.
Eh?
Even in Valencia's dreams he's not as good as Kanchelskis who had much more than just "hit & run" in his locker and a left foot to boot. Was also a goal threat too the Ukrainian.
But he still used to be good at it! He had space to attack and he didn't attack it, I nearly drop-kicked my TV when he was one-on-one with Mikel and checked back.
Get rid, he is fooked!
This.
He's a professional footballer for God sake. In his first season I excused it, as I thought that he'd soon have to learn to use it, but now it's just gone beyond a joke. What's puzzling me the most though, is our players willingness to still pass the ball to him an insane amount of times when he's on the pitch. It's as if we can't form an attack in any other way but through a winger that is embarrassingly shit right now.
Poor old Tony V.
He's broken, send him on a sabbatical or something.
He's broken, send him on a sabbatical or something.
It appears he's come down with a bout of Torres Syndrome.
Utter fecking shit and has been all season. It's a huge concern.
Utter fecking shit and has been all season. It's a huge concern.
The curious case of Antonio Valencia. Someone send Geoff Shreeves in to shove a sickener up his arse and get him into gear.
How he's even getting selected from bench duty is beyond me. Couldn't believe we put him on for Nani, he simply didn't deserve the opportunity. But I assume he's doing a lot better behind closed doors and we all know he's a decent bloke who always seems to remain humble. They must find it hard to give him a talking to, but he certainly needs a kick up the backside.
How he's even getting selected from bench duty is beyond me. Couldn't believe we put him on for Nani, he simply didn't deserve the opportunity. But I assume he's doing a lot better behind closed doors and we all know he's a decent bloke who always seems to remain humble. They must find it hard to give him a talking to, but he certainly needs a kick up the backside.
well this summer, he'll have 2 years left on his contract so if we want to get rid, this summer is the best time to do so in terms of getting max value for him.
that said, we won't get rid and i don't want him gone.
that said, we won't get rid and i don't want him gone.
Well as crazy it may sound I tend to agree with the bloke that said that Valencia is a one trick pony that when that trick worked he was solid for us. However once defenders got used to it, he doesn't have the variety to do something else...
He's been poor against every single fullback he's went against, do people really think all of the sudden every left back in the league and Europe has figured out how to stop Valencia?
Whatever is going on with him is down to him alone (confidence, injury, whatever..) and not something defenders have sussed out.
Granted his lack of variety is part of the reason he's so hopeless currently, he has nothing else to turn to.
Not "defenders" as such no, but coaches, managers etc. They've realised Valencia is a threat and they've snuffed it out completely, it really wasn't that difficult either.
That doesn't explain the loss of pace though.
His refusal to run past Mikel was shocking. Mikel was barely jogging across and Tony didnt even want to take it past him near the end.
To think we scored last week our first goal cos he crossed with his left foot. His lack of using his left foot and that 360 spin to get it back to his right foot always makes me laugh.
To think we scored last week our first goal cos he crossed with his left foot. His lack of using his left foot and that 360 spin to get it back to his right foot always makes me laugh.
I said something along these lines earlier.
That 360 degrees turn he always seems to do is annoying as feck. And why is he taking so long to make his bloody mind on what he wants to do next!
I don't see how people can get angry and frustrated with a player, unless he's not putting the effort in. Cool your beans.
Was thinking more he had a good 5/6 seasons but careers curtailed off in their late 20's.
Most frustrating player to watch at the moment. Every move just seems to stop when he gets on the ball. He just can't seem to work out what to do with it any more. Give him time on the ball and he will stop and think before just knocking it back to Rafael or a midfielder.
He didn't even provide his usual good points today of keeping the ball in defence and giving us that outlet. Seemed just as likely to dribble into trouble and lose it. While at one point we have been arguing that he deserved a place over nani, its not even close any more this season.
He didn't even provide his usual good points today of keeping the ball in defence and giving us that outlet. Seemed just as likely to dribble into trouble and lose it. While at one point we have been arguing that he deserved a place over nani, its not even close any more this season.
He has talent. We have all seen what he can do. He is just having an utter shit season. Maybe he needs a change of venue. It doesn't look like he can break out of this spell. Agree with above statement, if we sell, sell this summer. I doubt Fergie will though.
Anyone saying he is carrying a knock is seriously clutching at straws. He looks fully fit to me, and has done for some time. It appears to be a confidence issue.
He has been atrocious lately and he really, really, needs to step it up. The frustrating part is that he was some bloody good for most of last season and I expected him to push on from that. Yesterday's performance was an absolute disgrace and surely he can't play against Reading after that.
He has been atrocious lately and he really, really, needs to step it up. The frustrating part is that he was some bloody good for most of last season and I expected him to push on from that. Yesterday's performance was an absolute disgrace and surely he can't play against Reading after that.
There were articles some time back about a back injury.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-antonio-1492388
Would be the most logical explanation. No footballer loses his confidence and fails to get ANY of it back despite playing so often.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-antonio-1492388
Would be the most logical explanation. No footballer loses his confidence and fails to get ANY of it back despite playing so often.
It's so annoying to watch, he doesn't even look a League One player at the minute. A complete turnaround for a player that was instrumental for us in the previous three seasons. I'm not even sure he has it in him to retain that kind of shape, unfortunately. It's like Park 2011-12 all over again.
He needs a break or something, 10/11 Rooney to America style.
Torres?
He really doesn't look like he is carrying an injury at all. Plenty of players lose thier confidence and struggle to get it back.
That usually coincides with the loss of physical attributes as well. Torres, for example, definitely lost pace. Plenty of players lose a physical attribute and then struggle to adapt their game. Would be that much harder for someone like Valencia, whose game was always so one dimensional. If he's lost a bit of pace, or feels pain in his back when crossing the ball, he really offers nothing else.
I just don't buy it's completely psychological.
It feels like a bit of a witch hunt is on against Valencia - but what do you do, when it is warranted...
All this talk of Nani not signing a new deal - being sold in the summer. What the hell are we going to be left with?
Young - adequate
Zaha - noob
Giggs - robot
Valencia - imposter
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All this talk of Nani not signing a new deal - being sold in the summer. What the hell are we going to be left with?
Young - adequate
Zaha - noob
Giggs - robot
Valencia - imposter
:uhoh:
It feels like a bit of a witch hunt is on against Valencia - but what do you do, when it is warranted...
All this talk of Nani not signing a new deal - being sold in the summer. What the hell are we going to be left with?
Young - adequate
Zaha - noob
Giggs - robot
Valencia - imposter
Ronaldo -
:uhoh:
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Your head has gone mate! Do you think you could play against Valencia and snuff him out also? I'm still not buying it, it's essentially the same statement only you switched mangers in for defenders. So again, every single manager we've faced this season has just now figured out how to stop Valencia, despite there being no obvious change in any team's tactics against us? It seems much more likely to me that the problem is with Valencia.
He doesn't claim to be a PL Player? Strange question.. seemed perfectly apt what he said.
GZA your spot on buddy, I'm always right is like able and quite funny but as mad as a box of smarties!
Never been the word I'd use.
If I was as fit, fast and strong as your average premier league footballer, then I'd fancy myself, yes. I saw Jack Colback, who isn't even a fecking defender, but instead a midfielder, which he is also shite at - totally nullify him at Old Trafford. Literally, 'any old' full back has dealt with him this season, not just the good ones.
Sorry was more of a laugh between me and I'm always right. You haven't been following other threads Jaybezia when he said Andres Limpar told him he should stick in at playing full back.
Sorry was more of a laugh between me and I'm always right. You haven't been following other threads Jaybezia when he said Andres Limpar told him he should stick in at playing full back.
Oh, I am well aware, I had a quick look actually, it was said in jest anyway.
My point is more that people find it insulting to say he has been figured out, almost as if that was really hard? And people are pointing to the fact that team’s aren’t changing their tactics against us, would they need to, to figure one player out?
I think Valencia is, on good form a very good player, however even at the best of times, he is horribly one dimensional with one foot. He has major shortcomings, and in that, his predictability has become very easy to spot, he either pulls back looks for a pass or knocks it past the full back rushing to the byline (Not mentioning the cross, but FWIW, even when on form isn’t the best crosser).
I don’t find it an insult to say he has been figured out, I believe it to be the case.
I disagree I don't believe he has been figured out I just think he is in a horrible spell of form and he will come good again. When you get players like Ashley Cole who at the time was the best in the world getting tortured by him I'm sure he would have snuffed/figured him out quite quickly if that was the case. The big fella has lost his rhythm once it comes back watch him fly. As its one thing knowing what someone is going to do and another being able to stop him doing it.
Valencia genuinely hasn't had a single good game for us this season, at the very best of times he's been average. At the same time he's went up against a variety of full backs and a variety of teams both ranging from world class to below premier league standard. The idea that he has been figured out to the point that every single one of these fullbacks, no matter the ability, has figured him out and as a result is able to stop him doesn't make any sense.
The fact that Valencia is so one dimensional only strengthens that argument for me in that he's never operated with a complicated formula. Run fast, be strong, go to the right. Every single team we've played since he's been here will surely have been aware of that, and surely have known to force him on to his left foot. It didn't matter the last couple of seasons though, fullbacks knew what he was going to do but simply couldn't stop him from doing it. So then what changed from last year to this year? The problem is with Valencia, there really isn't any other logical explanation.
The fact that Valencia is so one dimensional only strengthens that argument for me in that he's never operated with a complicated formula. Run fast, be strong, go to the right. Every single team we've played since he's been here will surely have been aware of that, and surely have known to force him on to his left foot. It didn't matter the last couple of seasons though, fullbacks knew what he was going to do but simply couldn't stop him from doing it. So then what changed from last year to this year? The problem is with Valencia, there really isn't any other logical explanation.
What was so mysterious to figure out? He is a player who relied on his pace and strength to over power opposition defenders plus had a very accurate and consistent delivery. He still shows glimpses but not on a consistent basis. He was relentless in his last few seasons, tired defenders out and used it to his advantage. All those attributes seems to fail him this season.
A slight niggle and confidence can be both be the reasons for his horrible form. I hope he is not permanently broken and sorts this out before the beginning of next season. He is a hard working, honest player and it would be a shame if he is done at 27.
Patience...
A slight niggle and confidence can be both be the reasons for his horrible form. I hope he is not permanently broken and sorts this out before the beginning of next season. He is a hard working, honest player and it would be a shame if he is done at 27.
Patience...
People keep saying that, but that is exactly what is happening right now.
When Ronaldo first joined, he used to bamboozle everyone. Then came the whole 'need to keep your eye on the ball, not his feet' phase - but that didn't stop him. A full-back couldn't hold him because he could go left or right, beat them with stepovers and tricks, or just sheer pace Valencia-style. Also, if he felt like it, he could just play a flick through to the full-back on the overlap.
Now Ronaldo is the very best, but just an example of how it isn't ludicrous to suggest Valencia's one-weapon is beyond being neutralised.
You're a strange man Lawman. Obviously I don't think I could snuff out a Premier League footballer you complete Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime of a man.
Coaches HAVE done a great job on Valencia this season, you're nuts if you haven't spotted that.
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