The last bit is very true though isnt it? I know fully well what we get from him when I see him on the teamsheet this season.
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The last bit is very true though isnt it? I know fully well what we get from him when I see him on the teamsheet this season.
That's the thing. I don't think he did or has. A couple of times he lost the ball and then just stood there without a care in the World.
I'm not saying it's his fault but something is wrong in his head.
May aswell just send him on his summer holidays now as he isn't worth a feck in this form. Completely baffling situation. Confidence shot to pieces but physically nowhere near the same animal either
Yeah he had a poor game and lacking confidence, but SAF picked him today didn't he, so surely he must look better in training?
But some of the comments on here about Valencia is a joke
Not accepting claims of him being the "best winger in Europe" is a far cry away from thinking he's never been a particularly good player. I can't agree, he was not just playing past his ability every now and then, he was consistently excellent. How many goals Bent scores for some shit team is irrelevant, we saw Valencia at United winning us games through his performances. Well they might not now, although they still do, but Valencia was clearly considered and referred to as a top player for a long time.
The point is you can't just say Valencia/Torres have always been shit which is what plenty of people are saying about Valencia, it simply isn't true.
We shouldn't stop calling them what they are - shite - but we can also acknowledge how good they used to be.
Yeah but don't you find that happens with a lot of players? Some players are given so much leeway by the media/pundits to be as rubbish as they want, others are tarred with a brush after a few games and it takes so much to get people to change their perception.
Yeah, it's a bit odd really. Welbeck has had a much better season than Valencia and he is at an entirely different point in his career, but he's been criticised a lot this season.
Definitely, but it's funny because as United fans who watch every minute, we can see just how wildly off form Valencia is, and it's really not been picked on in the slightest. They seem to form opinions based on players, then live by them for months without watching them again and assume nothing would have changed.
I think he's going insane. I mean he was just posting homeless people with dogs on Twitter the other day.
I really wonder what happened to the lad he is not even a shadow of what he once was anymore.
Oh and for all the talk he is better defensively than Nani:
He at times just stood there like a retard after losing the ball as if he couldnt give a feck. Rafael was often overwhelmed on the right hand side.
He at times just stood there like a retard after losing the ball as if he couldnt give a feck. Rafael was often overwhelmed on the right hand side.
Hope he can come back from this. Was so poor
Honestly I hope he leaves this summer. He's been dreadful all season long. I actually don't think he had one good game, the entire year. Quite incredible really. "Mr Consistency" has been consistently awful.
His constant running in circles on the ball and not knowing what to do with it is just terrible to watch, and infuriating. Doesn't even deserve to be on our bench these days. Can't even honestly say that he's been any better then Bebe was for us this season. That's how awful he's been.
His constant running in circles on the ball and not knowing what to do with it is just terrible to watch, and infuriating. Doesn't even deserve to be on our bench these days. Can't even honestly say that he's been any better then Bebe was for us this season. That's how awful he's been.
Yeah because only mad people do that.
That was Bebe.
I still saw a player with a very limited tool-kit personally. Again, I will concede he played very well, but that largely consisted of him simply doing his one 'trick' and blasting it across goal repeatedly. It worked at that time, and while 'effective', it was not an example of 'greatness' or a 'great player'.
I'm not afraid to admit I was quite underwhelmed when we signed him, and I've never really fancied him as a top-bracket player, which is why I have not been as outraged as some have at his form this season. I actually don't know how much more people want to see Valencia do, as in, that they have actually seen him do before. I concede there is a difference between him at present and at his best, but in terms of his actual range of weapons, I think he is just currently doing what he can, which isn't that much. Just that for whatever reason, it seemed to work a lot better in the past, but it was largely sheer brute force, and when he tries to use it now, for whatever reason, his full-back can withstand it.
Yup. He offered feck all protection today, and even though the entire team went to shit, he was again the very worst player out there today. Just such a limited player who once he loses is form, just turns into a sack of useless shit.
We might need to buy a winger if Nani leaves. Its shocking how poor he has been for a while now.
feck that, actually, considering how much better Nani is now, we should simply give him the 10-20k extra that would swing it for us.
feck that, actually, considering how much better Nani is now, we should simply give him the 10-20k extra that would swing it for us.
Yeah suppose it's as good an example of any of the poorness at times of the media/pundits. It's like on Gillette yest they were questioning nani over valencia against madrid. I think the problem is that unless everyone is saying it very few people are willing to throw a new opinion out there so they usually just rely on current perceptions of players and go with that.
Starting to lose my patience with Valencia now, he has had a terrible season and was garbage today. Offered nothing on the right hand side whatsoever.
I am all for letting players find form, especially when they were as good as he was last season, but how long do we give him?
Was no coincidence that when Nani came off and Valencia came on, our performance went to pieces. With Zaha coming in I would be seriously open to offers for Valencia next season, providing we can keep Nani.
I am all for letting players find form, especially when they were as good as he was last season, but how long do we give him?
Was no coincidence that when Nani came off and Valencia came on, our performance went to pieces. With Zaha coming in I would be seriously open to offers for Valencia next season, providing we can keep Nani.
Need to drop him now. We can't afford to keep starting him and hoping he strikes gold one day. Young has to start ahead of him. Heck, I'd start pretty much anyone ahead of him right now.
Yeah, it's been like that the entire season. There has been a number of goals from our right, where Valencia has offered no help for the right back at all - often he's just been strolling around at the middle of the pitch. I thought he could've done more to help out for Chelsea's first goal as well and help Rafael on Hazzard, but maybe that's asking too much - I don't really remember his position on the pitch when we lost the ball.
Cech begs to differ.
I swear that shot he took would have gone into our net before it missiled into Carrick.
Revisionism at work in this thread, I see. Valencia was outstanding for us for a long time. The fact that he's now looking a shadow of that player is worrying, obviously, but people are trying to judge how good a player he is based on his worst period of form for us. Judge anyone by that standard and they'd look a duffer.
I'm only joking!
Does anyone actually know why he was posting that though? A campaign or something?
By some of the posts we've seen here, RVP should is the shittest striker in the league. Unbelievable how fickle our fans are.
I honestly wouldn't give him another start until May or whenever we've officially wrapped up the league.
I think the number 7 shirt has got to his head, he has been mediocre all season.
I think the number 7 shirt has got to his head, he has been mediocre all season.
Don't know but seems like we're kicking a man while he is in the worst form of his life. He is decent player and was for a long time for us, but he is suffering with a loss of form, which almost all players go through.
I guess we'll disagree, I saw an excellent player for us when he was playing at his best, I don't believe he's a one-trick pony and suddenly the whole world has sussed that out and made him useless. Well, what we want is to see him play the same way he used, it's not about adding more to his game as much as just finding it again. There's obviously a massive difference between now and before, not because he doesn't have a great "range of weapons" and this is now exposed, but because he isn't playing remotely like he used to, it looks that simple. I also was underwhelmed when we signed him, I would never have gone for him personally, but was happily proved wrong about his quality shortly afterwards.
So as a rule, a player is as good as his best season, but not as bad as his worst?
Couldn't disagree more. His linking up with Rooney that season was on another level. They were deadly together.
He hasn't been the same since the injury. Happens to a lot of players.
I think it's time to move on
That's fair enough. I can accept and understand that opinion, although I don't entirely agree.
Does a poor season make him a shit player, or is he just a player in shit form?
That's what you got from what I said? Okay. Cheerio.
If Nani leaves we definitely need to buy a winger. Even if Valencia somehow remembers how to play football again we'll be left with Young (decent enough but never good enough to start regularly) and Zaha (huge potential but it would be crazy to expect him to step up and be good enough to start regularly next season).
is anyone else thinking zaha might be in to replace valencia? bad form is one thing but to go from the best winger in the league to utterly dreadful for 7 months is something else. id give anything to have the old valencia back,was such a joy to watch
Couldn't do anything today apart from stumble into Chelsea players and lose possession. The whole team was poor but he stood out.
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