Antoine Griezmann

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Footballsaurus said:
How has Sanchez helped Arsenal win EPL? They can't even qualify for CL.


AG is a midget. He will be useless.
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How is that relevant? That's comparable to saying, "If Lukaku is so effective in the Premier League, why hasn't he won anything for Everton?" Granted, Arsenal are a tier above the former, but it's still a team effort. An individual can only do so much, and Sanchez was certainly one of the standout players in the league last season. That's undeniable.

To go back to your previous argument in regards to Griezmann's height rendering him completely and utterly useless, let's think about this for a moment, shall we? For one, he's not a midget; he's 5'10. This isn't the NBA, so it's asinine to dismiss his potential contribution due to his height (which isn't even on the short end). Now, I understand some people have this preconceived notion that the Premier League is all blood and thunder, and only Andre The Giant type players can excel in this league. I'll leave it at this; that's beyond silly.

All you have to do is reflect back on the past few seasons! The likes of Hazard, Aguero, Sanchez, Mane, Kante, Pedro, David Silva, Coutinho, Jesus, Lanzini, Cazorla, Rooney, our very own Mata and Mkhitaryan do just fine to say the least, and they're all shorter than Griezmann. Rashford is only an inch taller than Mr. Hot Line Bling, should we toss him off a cliff? Hell, look at Paul Scholes! One of the greatest midfielders the Premier League and world has ever seen and the corner flag would give him a run for his money! As insufferable as Tevez was, he proved to be a great player and he too was shorter than Griezmann. Finally, there's Messi and Neymar who are both "vertically inferior" to the aforementioned player. Those two don't need me to defend their ability.

Needless to say, it's a moot point and a strange stigma that I'm baffled even exists amongst modern football fans. Players of all shapes and sizes have excelled, or fizzled away into obscurity in this league, and leagues all around the globe.
 
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It would have been a penalty if he didn't fall as after a jump of a small fish over the rainbow in the sea
 
Lay said:
Posts like these are hilarious. 'Bottled it' by staying loyal to the club and manager he loves playing for when they really need to stick together? To me the easy option was to say feck this, this isn't going to be a good season for Atleti and bolt out the door.
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He's not coming. Time to get over it mate.
 
12Cantona's said:
Which stage are you at? Denial?
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Not exactly. I kind of feel that the deal got scuppered due to Athletico's transfer ban and United may have a deal already in place. But all speculation. But to go out on a limb and say that he won't come, well that could be over-reaching a bit. Let's wait till Jan or next year summer. Why not someone create a poll on it? @Raoul ....
 
Taken Griezmann is a better player than Mane, but I think Mane would improve our squad more than Griezmann.

But I'll take Griezmann over Mane any day. Any day.
 
Rick88 said:
Not exactly. I kind of feel that the deal got scuppered due to Athletico's transfer ban and United may have a deal already in place. But all speculation. But to go out on a limb and say that he won't come, well that could be over-reaching a bit. Let's wait till Jan or next year summer. Why not someone create a poll on it? @Raoul ....
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If we had a deal with Griezmann it would already have been announced no way would we leave that to chance.
 
I would guess all we have is an open discussion with him, I still don't think he'll come here.
 
Harry190 said:
Still think this boat has sailed. We won't tread those waters again.
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Woodward, while briefing to the press about dropping our interest in Griezmann, also mentioned that he is certainly still a player for future interest and that is not ruled out.

If he wants to come, we will get him next summer.
 
Acole9 said:
Possibly, but it's quite a big deal to do in the January window and I'm not sure they'll be so willing to sell then.
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It's not up to them if we activate the release clause.
 
SS said:
It's not up to them if we activate the release clause.
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I don't see him move in January, particularly since he hasn't been good for France in his last outings and can't afford to put himself in a difficult spot six months before the WC. And it's rare for settled players to leave, very good teams in the middle of the season.
 
Acole9 said:
Possibly, but it's quite a big deal to do in the January window and I'm not sure they'll be so willing to sell then.
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SS said:
It's not up to them if we activate the release clause.
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Might be a special case though. Like Hargreaves was.

He looked almost certain to join but stayed because they can't sign til January. Might have just said "I'll stay til you can buy"

And what SS said too

We'll see anyway.
 
sunama said:
That's exactly what I said earlier.
Every Summer, we will be linked with him, but it won't ever happen.
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We'd been linked with him when he was at Real Sociedad, since then nothing serious until this summer.

All rumors came from David Beckham being his idol and his brother is a United fan.
 
Footballsaurus said:
Man city is stacked, how can you justify buying Messi? What position would he play? What about his age?

How has Sanchez helped Arsenal win EPL? They can't even qualify for CL.
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Seriously are you comparing Messi to what Man City have. In terms of his age, it wouldn't matter to Man City, as it will increase their profile significantly to have the GOAT in their ranks.
 
K2K said:
If you have nothing better to say, please just shut up.

He came through the Real Sociedad youth team that play in Spain. Never played senior football anywhere else.

You are trying to come across as a smart arse but then look like like the complete opposite.
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1) Point missed (it was a joke)
2) Feck off
 
JPRouve said:
I don't see him move in January, particularly since he hasn't been good for France in his last outings and can't afford to put himself in a difficult spot six months before the WC. And it's rare for settled players to leave, very good teams in the middle of the season.
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I don't think that'll be a problem, he'll definitely start if he joins us.
 
I think the person most likely to make way for Griezmanm would be Mata, and as much as I admire Mata, AG is a much more versatile player with much more of a goal threat in his game.
 
Harry190 said:
Still think this boat has sailed. We won't tread those waters again.
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Disagree. I think there's already an agreement in place for a January or next summer transfer. It will be interesting to see how much Atletico spend when their ban is up, that will be a clear indicator.
 
Footballsaurus said:
Seems to me some are just watching some YouTube clips and are getting hyped up.

Ok, here is question, suppose you buy AG for 100 mil, at what point would it be a fail? Conversely, how many goals or assists should he rack up to justify the price tag?
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If he does worse than 114m+ pound Coutinho.
 
Footballsaurus said:
  • My opinion is not rubbish.
  • I wouldn't want Neymar to join us. I don't like when MU buys players from Barca/Real, you compete with them for viewership/dollars/titles. You are effective fueling their ability to stay in front. There should be a sustainable business model. Dumping 200 mil on Neymar is no guarantee to win CL. It works for PSG because they dominate League 1. Maybe they need that CL title because winning League 1, La Liga, or Bundisliga means nothing if you are PSG, Real/Barca, or Bayern. Winning EPL means something. Also, in EPL you can not make moves like that. It is not sustainable. One year you make a bad buy, you are done. It is harder to gauge what you are buying when you are buying from other leagues (non-EPL).
  • Jose favors physically large players. AG is a midget. He will be useless. I don't see a place in Jose's team. We have got so much attacking talent, why waste 100 mil plus?
  • Yeah, I mention that. For CL, yes, good buy if you already dominate your league. Otherwise, it's a waste of resources to try out a unproven player. Look at Angel Dimaria, he couldn't hack it, so he left for PSG, but in CL he is proven. Imagine you spend a 100 mil + and AG can't hack it.
  • No, it's not only your size, it's your fortitude, and ability to play against more aggressive and more physical defense. The worst EPL team has a better defense than worst la Liga team or league one or other.
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This is a really bad post man
 
Footballsaurus said:
  • My opinion is not rubbish.
  • I wouldn't want Neymar to join us. I don't like when MU buys players from Barca/Real, you compete with them for viewership/dollars/titles. You are effective fueling their ability to stay in front. There should be a sustainable business model. Dumping 200 mil on Neymar is no guarantee to win CL. It works for PSG because they dominate League 1. Maybe they need that CL title because winning League 1, La Liga, or Bundisliga means nothing if you are PSG, Real/Barca, or Bayern. Winning EPL means something. Also, in EPL you can not make moves like that. It is not sustainable. One year you make a bad buy, you are done. It is harder to gauge what you are buying when you are buying from other leagues (non-EPL).
  • Jose favors physically large players. AG is a midget. He will be useless. I don't see a place in Jose's team. We have got so much attacking talent, why waste 100 mil plus?
  • Yeah, I mention that. For CL, yes, good buy if you already dominate your league. Otherwise, it's a waste of resources to try out a unproven player. Look at Angel Dimaria, he couldn't hack it, so he left for PSG, but in CL he is proven. Imagine you spend a 100 mil + and AG can't hack it.
  • No, it's not only your size, it's your fortitude, and ability to play against more aggressive and more physical defense. The worst EPL team has a better defense than worst la Liga team or league one or other.
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Your opinion is just terrible and I wouldn't take it seriously if you hadn't typed this many words.
 
Footballsaurus said:
  • AG not EPL proven.
  • AG plays possession football. Stark difference to Jose's style.
  • Can't adapt. I don't think he can adapt to different needs of Jose. He is not a complete player. Can't play defensive role.
  • Appears to think he is on par with greats even though has not proven to be a match winner. Ego = locker room problems.
  • He lacks size. EPL defenders are more consistently better than La Liga defenders as they have more size. More physical game.
My opinion is that he is already used to La Liga. I think for CL it is debatable to have him since he has CL experience but for EPL it is a waste of money. For MU AG is not best bang for buck. I believe there are better options. To spend 100 mil + for a player that is not EPL proven, lacks physicality, and has limited use is a waste of resources. I don't think he can adapt. Lukaku is a much better choice for EPL. Going forward EPL proven players are the way to go. If you can constantly win league, you will win CL.

Also, I didn't appreciate how he decided to stay. Seems like non-EPL players always prefer la Liga over EPL, why invest? Look at Coutinho. Liverpool built him up and then he goes to la Liga at first opportunity. I would rather take a EPL proven then some la Liga or league 1 or Seria A hack. Over the years this has lead to the decline in EPL quality. La Liga dumps players at outrageous prices onto EPL. EPL should invest in youth and EPL players only.
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Everything you had quoted there is wrong.

He does't play in the team that play possession football.
You say he can't adapt to different needs of Jose, but Jose think otherwise and went after him in his Chelsea days and as well as he want to sign him this window of us.
Size doesn't matter as he thrive on movement and pace, technically better player, I think this are good qualities that would help him in the PL.
 
Kidders said:
I think the person most likely to make way for Griezmanm would be Mata, and as much as I admire Mata, AG is a much more versatile player with much more of a goal threat in his game.
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Yup it would be Mata. Funnily enough though we have no reason to sell Mata to make room. We can afford his wages and he would be an excellent addition to strengthening the bench, hopefully even demoting Lingard to the U21s.
 
Redcy said:
If we had a deal with Griezmann it would already have been announced no way would we leave that to chance.
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I think there is still a deal in place for next Summer with Griezmann if we choose to take it. He didn't increase his transfer clause in Summer and has never denied any of the United links like he has pretty much every other time. And then you factor in little things like him liking and commentating on Pogba instagram posts of United celebrating etc.

Whether we choose to take up a deal depends on how we do this season I guess.
 
I find him very overrated, not that he wouldn't have improved our side but he goes missing when things go tough and I have never seen him as a game changer. The way people rave over him as if he is the next to messi and ronaldo is a joke. I rate neymar more than him.

Also, hate his hair style. If he ever plans to join us better change his pathetic hair style.
 
Footballsaurus said:
  • AG plays possession football. Stark difference to Jose's style.
  • Can't adapt. I don't think he can adapt to different needs of Jose. He is not a complete player. Can't play defensive role.
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Err, what?

With these two comments, I'm guessing you've pretty much never watched Atletico or Griezmann play.

Atletico are basically built to be the answer against possession teams. To soak up pressure with every player working extremely hard to keep everything tight, and to then attack with skill and precision. I'd go so far to say that if there is any team in the world where you can be confident that a player would be able to fit Mourinho's style, it is Atletico. If anything Simeone insists on an even greater workrate than Jose. Griezmann included in that. It's probably one of the reasons why Mourinho did want him - unlike most players of his 'type' there's no risk that Griezmann wouldn't be able to handle the defensive responsibilities that Mourinho wants.
 
The Kag said:
How is that relevant? That's comparable to saying, "If Lukaku is so effective in the Premier League, why hasn't he won anything for Everton?" Granted, Arsenal are a tier above the former, but it's still a team effort. An individual can only do so much, and Sanchez was certainly one of the standout players in the league last season. That's undeniable.

To go back to your previous argument in regards to Griezmann's height rendering him completely and utterly useless, let's think about this for a moment, shall we? For one, he's not a midget; he's 5'10. This isn't the NBA, so it's asinine to dismiss his potential contribution due to his height (which isn't even on the short end). Now, I understand some people have this preconceived notion that the Premier League is all blood and thunder, and only Andre The Giant type players can excel in this league. I'll leave it at this; that's beyond silly.

All you have to do is reflect back on the past few seasons! The likes of Hazard, Aguero, Sanchez, Mane, Kante, Pedro, David Silva, Coutinho, Jesus, Lanzini, Cazorla, Rooney, our very own Mata and Mkhitaryan do just fine to say the least, and they're all shorter than Griezmann. Rashford is only an inch taller than Mr. Hot Line Bling, should we toss him off a cliff? Hell, look at Paul Scholes! One of the greatest midfielders the Premier League and world has ever seen and the corner flag would give him a run for his money! As insufferable as Tevez was, he proved to be a great player and he too was shorter than Griezmann. Finally, there's Messi and Neymar who are both "vertically inferior" to the aforementioned player. Those two don't need me to defend their ability.

Needless to say, it's a moot point and a strange stigma that I'm baffled even exists amongst modern football fans. Players of all shapes and sizes have excelled, or fizzled away into obscurity in this league, and leagues all around the globe.
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agree with most but would point out on wiki rooney is 1 cm taller than griezmann ...
 
AshRK said:
I find him very overrated, not that he wouldn't have improved our side but he goes missing when things go tough and I have never seen him as a game changer. The way people rave over him as if he is the next to messi and ronaldo is a joke. I rate neymar more than him.

Also, hate his hair style. If he ever plans to join us better change his pathetic hair style.
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Agreed. I think he's a very good player, but I'd also rate Suarez, Sanchez and a few others above him. I'd say he's closer to Hazard's and Aguero's level.
 
12Cantona's said:
He's not coming. Time to get over it mate.
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Who said I think he's coming? :lol: that was my first post in the thread. I don't care much for transfer sagas. I was more posting about the jilted lover syndrome fans get when a player rejects their club. It's hilarious to me.
 
Trizy said:
Yup it would be Mata. Funnily enough though we have no reason to sell Mata to make room. We can afford his wages and he would be an excellent addition to strengthening the bench, hopefully even demoting Lingard to the U21s.
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I agree totally, I would'nt advocate selling Mata, like you say he would just be further down the pecking order, it would actually affect Lingard 's opportunities more than most IMO
 
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